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Pre-Order "Muppets Most Wanted" Blu-ray available August 12

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, May 16, 2014.

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  1. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    Amazon is refusing to allow orders for physical copies of forthcoming releases from yet another media company.

    The supplier in the cross hairs this time is Disney. Amazon customers are unable to buy DVDs or Blu-rays of movies like “Muppets Most Wanted” that are coming out in the next few months. Instead, they can sign up to be notified when the movies become available or preorder the Amazon Instant Video.

    In at least one case, there seems to be no product page at all for the physical copy of the movie. “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” is available for preorder as an Amazon Instant Video, but neither a Blu-ray disc nor a DVD is offered.

    Preorders are a way for an entertainment company to gauge demand. Consumers have increasingly been trained to want something the moment it becomes available, so if they do not have the ability to order ahead, the companies worry, the customer will not buy a product when it hits the market.

    Eliminating the preorder button is thus a potent weapon for Amazon. It declined to take orders for Warner Home Video for several weeks at the beginning of the summer. And it has been engaged in a pitched battle with Hachette for months, causing some of the publisher’s authors to see their sales on the site drop by half.

    Disney did not return calls for comment. An Amazon spokesman declined to comment, but in the past the company has stressed that disputes with suppliers were routine for retailers.

    They certainly are becoming that way at Amazon. One theory is that the company, always a tough negotiator, is losing so much money that it is trying to get an edge anywhere it possibly can. Amazon says it could lose more than $800 million this quarter.

    The conflict with Disney was first reported by HomeMediaMagazine.com.

  2. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    "Fight Fight" - :halo:.
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well unfortunately, since Bluray is like, "The thing," now, many companies are pulling this kind of stunt because they're trying to make DVD obsolete... Disney's just one of the biggest and worst offenders of this.
  4. AKaun6899

    AKaun6899 Active Member

    Similarly, recent DVDs by Paramount completely do away with bonus features, making all of them exclusive to the Blu-rays! :grr:
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  5. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Did you read the article? It's AMAZON that's doing this. Disney wants fans to buy all platforms of this product. Amazon is screwing Disney, Muppets Most Wanted and Captain America 2. By not listing pre-orders on it's site, it jeopardizes the releases' standing on the home video chart and thus poisons sales numbers.

    My guess is that something will be hammered out before the release of that Marvel film. It is the top grossing film this year so far. I'm sure Amazon wants a piece of that pie. However, they're hosing the Muppets to get there. None of this is Disney's doing. They're just the latest company being extorted by Amazon. Warner Brothers got it earlier this year.
  6. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    He was referring to bonus features, not the whole Amazon kerfuffle.
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  7. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    Due to my Ignore Features, it seemed to me he had replied right after my post (in reference to it) and completely confused the issue with another one. We've had that discussion many, many, many, many, many times over and I certainly understand the ire, but Amazon is hosing the Muppets, Disney and Marvel that's pretty awful.

    The story here is that Amazon is by far the top online retailer for DVD and Blu-ray content. They are manipulating sales by selectively disallowing preorders from their site and this will harm the standing of Muppets Most Wanted among other Disney releases.

    Sure, other sites sell the same product, but there will be some significant fall-off from Amazon users who are casual fans and don't see the release popping up as an option for DVD/Blu-ray sale. Many will likely think if Amazon isn't offering it that it must not be out yet.

    Amazon is a bully and that sucks. I'll now be taking my home video sales elsewhere.
  8. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    However, in response to the DVD special features. Loading such features onto a disc would either reduce the quality of the movie image in compression or add expense to the release by creating the need for an additional disc or double-sided burning. It seems that Disney has prematurely relegated DVD to the VHS graveyard. Personally, I'd have released all the features on the DVD no matter how much the compression compromised the DVD quality. If Disney wants to encourage Blu-ray sales, they should make the prices the same for both formats. The quality alone will cause most people (not all) to transition to the superior technology.
  9. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    You should not be surprised at this news.

    As for Amazon all I can say is "what the fudge?!!":mad:
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2014
  10. DarthGonzo

    DarthGonzo Well-Known Member

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  11. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Who is this Luke Bonanno person and what makes this critique particularly noteworthy? I've never heard of this site before. I really disagree with this review. Furthermore, I find it to be quite amateurish in that it rehashes the plot for far too long. A review shouldn't be a synopsis.

    Anyway, this critic's praise of the human performers and their rather on-the-nose performances in the last film over the integrated ones in this one says it all. The Muppets were the stars this time around. What true fan wouldn't prefer that?

    There are many who'd prefer the Muppets to retrace old steps rather than move on and forge new ground within their classic tradition. The last film was basically a reintroduction and a highlights reel. While I liked 2011's film, "Muppets Most Wanted" is far superior in every way that makes a classic Muppet movie great. Even Brian Henson was thrilled with the results this time around.

    Eugh to nearly everything about this dull review. I give it one out of five stars. :attitude:
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  12. NathanEsser

    NathanEsser New Member

    What about Kermit climbing muppet ladder. Is anyone leaving that as a surprise?

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  13. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Dear Amazon,

    See these dollars in my hand? They will go toward the purchase of Muppets Most Wanted. If you don't want my money, no big deal. There's a Target right down the street that'll cheerfully sell MMW to me.
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

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  15. SpookyMania

    SpookyMania Well-Known Member

    So I'm super excited for the release this Tuesday, to the point where work let me stay after to put this up:
  16. DarthGonzo

    DarthGonzo Well-Known Member

    I posted that review knowing full well that no one here would agree with it. I've come to expect that by now. Personally, I think this was a very fair review and I agree with a lot of what this reviewer says. The movie was good, but nothing fantastic, and I still prefer the 2011 film.
  17. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I liked the 2011 film as well just in different ways compared to MMW.
  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    And I say meh. :p

    Kidding. Well, kinda. Honestly, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but still...who the heck is Luke Bonanno and what elevates his opinion over some random dude on the street? And maybe that's the point - that the public didn't take to Muppets Most Wanted like they did to Segel's The Muppets. I counter that with the fact that modern auds don't much favor classic films and, at one time, that caused studios to colorize them. They looked awful but fared better on television than if they'd remained in black and white. Just how far should films pander to a witless public?

    Segel's film did just that. At its heart, it was a very good, yet thinly plotted, Muppet informercial starring him, Chris Cooper and the talented Amy Adams (who shoved way back into the background in favor of Jason Segel's mugging for the camera). I like him, don't get me wrong. It's just that his part of the story was pointless. But if it hadn't been for his role, the Muppets would never have won a Best Song Oscar for Man or Muppet.

    Muppets Most Wanted hit the ground running without need for laborious introductions or montages. The Muppets are no longer a novelty. It is a bit heavy on plot and long on time and there's more tedious Kermit-Piggy wedding drama. The rest is pure magic. Lots of memorable songs, that actually feature the Muppets singing and dancing, and have to do with the story. Each human has a reason to be there too. Everything was Muppet centered this time.

    There was no human couple drama. There was Muppet couple drama and human-Muppet flirting drama between Fey and Kermit (not unlike Piggy and Grodin). The bad guy in this, Constantine, was a Muppet character paired with Gervais. And Burrell was paired with Sam. That alone makes this the most Muppety Muppet movie in quite a while, at least since they took Manhattan, and I couldn't be happier about that.

    I'm going out on a limb here and dating myself by saying the first movie I saw in the theaters was The Muppet Movie in 1979. I was very young, but remembered every frame of that. It was amazing. The Muppet Show had been my favorite program, I already had all the puppets and that film took things much further. The Great Muppet Caper did too. It was a little more sophisticated and I appreciated that. The Muppets Take Manhattan brought things back around to just being plain fun. In retrospect, I don't think any post-Jim movie can match the energy in these films.

    Chistmas Carol and Treasure Island were noble attempts to do something different, yet both of them stuck the Muppets into supporting roles. Muppets From Space drained all the spark and music and joy from the gang. They left behind some tender and funny moments, but they were few and far between. It wasn't until Segel's The Muppets that they started to bring the magic back to the big screen. However, once again the main cast were largely supporting characters until halfway through the film, and kind of reductive avatars of their zany selves at that.

    I see something special in Muppets Most Wanted that falls in line with Jim Henson's classic formula. Apparently his son does too. It's not perfect, but it's finally on the right track. I wish audiences would have responded better to it. The box office is such a grand challenge these days. Audiences favor crappy film versions of Transformers, Ninja Turtles over more artful films like Paranorman. It's a shame.

    One of the determining factors is brand recognition. The Muppets have that, but unfortunately they're branded as the abbreviated versions in Segel's film. I believe one of the primary reasons that Muppets Most Wanted underperformed is that it departed too much from the last film and displeased the people expecting a repeat. On the same token, many fans of the classic Muppets felt this outing would be like the last one and decided to skip it instead of being pleasantly surprised. I stick to that assessment.

    But, to each their own. Peoples is peoples. :)
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2014
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  19. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    Dang, Amazon. You picked a heckova bad time to be difficult. :p

    At least let the movie somewhat excel on home video, for crying out loud.
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  20. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I stand by my argument that the film underperformed because movie tickets are too cheap.
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