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Quick question

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by SSLFan, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Would you agree that if more episodes were produced, then there would be a greater chance that more characters, including obsecure ones, would be appear in some episodes? You could only write so much for certain characters, like you couldn't possibly have 130 episodes all featuring Elmo in a storyline. At some point you'd have to find a stretch of different characters to write for. So if more episodes were produced, do you think we'd see more of Snuffy, Alice, Natasha(though she will appear in Season 41), Grundgetta, etc.?
  2. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Well, in 40, didn't we get at least one episode without Elmo, Abby, etc. in the "street scenes" storyline? I'm sure most of the episodes will probably be centered around these modern "stars" of the show, but there certainly will be a greater chance of other characters showing up. (Although I'd really like to see Lulu show up in some new episodes.)
  3. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Yeah I know that.;) I was just using Elmo as an example.
  4. StarrFilter

    StarrFilter Member

    It's not that easy... There's only enough funding for X amount of episodes. And obviously, if they're only gonna produce, let's say, 25 episodes, they're not gonna focus on peripheral, obscure, nearly forgotten about characters. They're gonna focus on the favorites of the target audience, kids ages 2-4 (2-6 if you wanna push it). That young audience LOOOOOOVES Elmo and Abby. Sesame Workshop is not gonna waste filming on characters that "we" wanna see.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really REALLY hate how PBS has been treating SS as of late as far as funding and episode production caps go. And fewer episodes DOES mean more Elmo... though, honestly, I'd still say if they made 130 episodes a year, we'd STILL see at least 125 Elmo-centric episodes. Personally, I resent to seeing an Elmo-centric episode, Elmo-centric segments capping it off with Elmo's World. All in the same episode. If you have an Elmo story, then lead it into a segment with any character besides Elmo. And even without Sherlock hemlock and all the obscure ones only we care about, we still have quite a few characters.

    The problem I have with Elmo/Abby storylines is somehow they feel inorganic. Like they have to purposely make stories with those characters because they're both popular. Abby and Elmo work okay together, but Abby works best with almost all the other characters (Oscar and the girls specifically... there is potential about her magic making Telly worry about how her magic will work), and there was a LOT of something special between Elmo and Zoe that Elmo and Abby don't share. Maybe the friends since childhood couple factor.

    I don't see why certain other characters that aren't used often can't be snuck into single episodes or plots. They managed to get long lost Guy Smiley into an episode last year... and they even managed to give quite a few forgotten or classic characters cameos in this last season. I really want them to continue that. Just have them in crowd scenes.

    But I still say Grundegetta NEEDS at least one episode a season, if nothing else. She is one of the few female Grouches, and her play with Osckie is legendary. I don't think we should deprive kids of that. Alice, however... I just want to know where the heck she's been all this time.
  6. StarrFilter

    StarrFilter Member

    I agree with everything you said. But alas, Sesame Workshop isn't making this show for "us"
  7. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Well, we're not technically the target audience. The kids come first.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I agree totally. Kids apparently love Elmo, and SW is trying to get kids to love Abby (I think they've been pretty successful... Elmo's climb to popularity was slow at first, but they wanted Abby to be instantly popular). And if that's the factor keeping the show afloat, well, I reluctantly accept it as well.

    I could care less about certain obscure characters being on the show in new stories. But I still think this season's hidden gem characters should continue on. After all, AM's or not AM's, they had to have rebuilt Guy Smiley, Sherlock Hemlock, Biff and Sully among others... I'm not insisting we use the characters in new storylines, but they'd be just great to fill out crowd scenes... maybe even say a line or two.

    Above all, I really want to see Elmo pared with characters that work best with him, and the same with Abby. Their dynamic is missing something. And if she was able to do something magical by mistake that REALLY got to Elmo the same way Rocko does, we'd have some nice tension. Abby's magical mistakes have a way of annoying the adults and certain other characters. I think that's potential that needs to be tapped a little more.
  9. StarrFilter

    StarrFilter Member

    Right... That's exactly what I said.
  10. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    Amen to that, I mean we do need to see some of the old school characters from time to time on the show. Also I do love me so Rocko and ELmo moments.

    However with Abby's mistakes, I mean can anyone understand that she is a little fairy child that is trying to learn her own unique way the way we humans functions.

    I mean with that at least some people could try to help her out in learning. :wisdom:
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Elmo's a good character when he EMOTES! All he does is smile and be happy and smile for the celebs with the word of the day. No wonder why he's so much better outside of the show. Kevin can actually stretch with the character and have fun with him when there's no script.
  12. beau

    beau New Member

    I do agree with this.

    Though I still have the opinion Elmo has had some good moments on the show in the past.
  13. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    There's a number of good points raised. No, we're not the "target audience" but in a way we are a "sub-target" audience. One of the main goals has always been to be entertaining for the grownups so they'll watch with the kids. SST KNOWS how much the adults love the older characters because there was the whole big thing with the Hidden Gems. That shouldn't be a once-every-40-years thing. Those characters should be among the atmosphere of the Street regardless. There's no reason they can't be rounding out the crowd even when they're doing the Elmo Good Time Sesame Street Hour Starring Elmo and Elmo's Friend Abby.

    And yes, it's a given the more episodes a season, the more characters fill the screen. Unless someone's working hard to work against the truism.

    SST does a great job of marketing the brand towards adults - but they often still fail when it comes to making adults want to watch with the kids. It's totally possible to find the happy medium while still giving the kids their Elmo and satisfying the cirriculum and research.

    Sesame is a street. Street means a neigborhood. Neighborhood means neighbors which means more than a handful of the overused characters.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    I can't even edit down your quote to highlight a single point. All of it is quite valid.

    But let's for a minute forget that they're even trying to get an older audience. I'm sure kids deserve better than the 90's downhill slide children's television has enjoyed. SS was a groundbreaking show... but funny thing happens when you break ground, once the barriers are taken down, there's less everyone else has to do. Think of it as the old "kids these days have it so easy! Things were REAL tough for us" adage. Remember when SS's biggest complaints were that they showed an inner city with... GASP... a diverse neighborhood? I don't wanna get into all that, but... now SS's complaints are so silly, they'd almost be funny if they didn't bring in mobs of angry people who want to bend things to their agendas. Now SS's complaints are Cookie Monster eats cookies instead of bran roughage, and you can kind of sort of if you look real hard see boobs on a women in a body suit. Not to mention the contradicting studies they get fresh off the wire from different child psychologists.

    If you think about what happens with the international co-productions... not showing any letters for risk of favoring one language to another in one co-production to the long and turbulent history of Rechov Sumsum and others in that area...well... it's kind of pathetic, don't you think? SW somehow is brave when it comes to bringing peace and love to violent countries (something I could go on about, but don't want to), but they're total Wade Ducks when it comes to putting their foot down about certain things in the US.

    As for the whole Elmo-fication... that's another wonderful bit we've had since since the 90's of centralized single character worship... again, certain purple rubber suit. Then of course we got stuff like Blue's Clues and Dora. Sesame Street has never been called "The Big Bird Show" or "It's Elmo Time!" Sort of like how Tiny Toons was never the "Babs and Buster show" (not counting the short lived Plucky Duck show spinoff). There's always SUPPOSED to be a rotating cast. There's regulars, but everybody gets a turn. That's how SS was supposed to be too... but Elmo draws them in, Abby was thrust into the mix to quell complaints of it being a boy's club. The block format stinks, sure it works for the half hour international TV blocks where it's a different show anyway, but somehow, they're not doing it right here. I don't see how all these extra segments can't fit in as recurring mixed segments... which is where they fail. That's why we have to suffer endless reuses of "new" material in new episodes.
  15. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    What Pluck Duck show spin-off are you referring to? I don't think I'm familiar with this one.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    This one

    It was VERY short lived, only on Saturdays, and it was made up of old TTA episodes, except for ONE episode, "The Return of the BatDuck" or something. It was something that was on Fox, again, very briefly.
  17. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Okay, thanks for the info.:cool:
  18. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Hahaha- that was awesome!:D Too bad it didn't last any longer than it did- or have much original material. I thought it was funny that there seemed to be a quick parody of Chip 'N' Dale: Rescue Rangers in the opening. Nice! (I also love that cartoon by the way.) And they had a clip from the "How I Spent My Summer Vacation" movie- which I still love watching! I've got it on VHS- it's hilarious!:)
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    You know, I started wondering, if research showed that hardly any kids at all were still watching the show and the majority of watches were hardcore adult fans like us, and the ratings were still as good as ever, do you think Sesame Workshop would just end the show, or would they change the format to appeal to us more? Include more stories involving Big Bird, Oscar, Cookie Monster, Grover, The Count, Ernie, Bert, and Snuffy, drop the block format and Elmo's World (maybe also other "everyday" segments), and repeat classic clips once again?
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    End the show... Invader Zim... Freakazoid... 'nuff said. The demographic is more important than anything else, and it's not like a product you can buy at a store. If only adults were buying SS stuff (and they pretty much have to anyway, for their kids), they'd still make the stuff because they'd still make money. I'm sure even if Boom's comics were geared towards kids, but adults were the ones buying them, they'd still sell them. if it makes money selling, it doesn't matter who's buying what and what they're doing with it.

    TV is another matter all together. The demographic sometimes takes precedence over ratings (cough cough cartoon network), and too often, shows want too many or too few types of viewers. Look at the insanity that hit the long canceled, short lived Fox Cedric the Entertainer show. They pulled it because not enough white people were watching. Hey, I'm white... I watched. Likewise, more adults watched Zim than kids, and Nick was all too happy to pull it, until they found out the cancellation made it a cult hit, and they just threw T-shirts at the matter.

    But getting back to the topic at hand, I think we all can agree we're all Elmo'd out. Even if we had a hundred new episodes, Elmo would indeed be in at least 97 of them (street stories and newer segments, not counting EW which will NEVER die). Be it even a brief shoehorned cameo or starring role. Certain long lost characters are going to remain lost (though, i don't see why they don't take the new Sherlock and just have him walk around in an opening segment). Personally, I wanna see at least 6 episodes with Big Bird in it every season. Even if it's just a quick walk by/line.


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