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RED ALERT! "The Muppets" fans need to contact ABC **NOW**!!

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by dwmckim, Feb 18, 2016.

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  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think somebody mentioned the possibility of a second season only having a small amount of episodes. I would be okay if we only got short seasons of the show. It'd be better than cancelling it. In fact, most seasons of The Rules of Engagement began in mid-season, and that ended up lasting a good while.

    If the show does get canceled, I wonder if characters like Gloria Estefan, Chip, and Yolanda will continue to be major characters.
  2. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Which is why Kermit was featured on Disneyland 60.
  3. ConstantineFan

    ConstantineFan Active Member

    If the show gets canceled, They will be thrown in the Muppet dungeon to gather dust until Disney's next Muppet production.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If it does get cancelled Disney would be smart to use them for weekly (or bi-weekly...anything regular) viral videos. Those always seem to do good, and if viewers can't even bother to watch them for a half hour, maybe they'll sit through them for 4 or 5 minutes when they pop up as a Facebook or Tumblr post.

    That's a low bar, but hey it's something. I'd rather the show continue on-line, Arrested Development/Community/Mindy Project style, if that's a remote possibility.

    If the very least the message could be sent out that people love the Muppets, just not in that format, at least there's a partial victory there.
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  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if reruns will continue to air throughout the end of the television season, even if it doesn't get renewed.
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Just popping in to say: #RenewTheMuppets

    It's crazy. It's hilarious. It's full of heart. It's snarky. It's edgy. It's post-modern. It's retro. It's got Uncle Deadly in it.

    That's all.

    Bea:zany:{Get renewing!}regard
  7. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    If the finale can get a 1.0 or above than I wouldn't say it's certain to be canceled considering it will be against The Voice and Disney synergy helps.
  8. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Well-Known Member

    The Galavant renewal is the thing that will forever make me question anything ABC does. Hearing news of the renewal made me actually go online and read the official PR because initially I thought it was a hoax. Even the producers of that show were taken off-guard.

    Disney has a lot in stake about the Muppets doing well, so I wouldn't be surprised if it nabbed a short 13 (or even 10) ep order as a midseason replacement. Could be the death knell of the franchise if they can it, so I think the priority is there to give it at least one more shot. Heck, Galavant itself may be sacrificed to allocate the funds for it.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Don't understand why a fresh and funny musical comedy that tears fairy tale tropes a new one in way that does more justice than the Shrek franchise doesn't get the same audience as an overrated, maudlin, insipid, crossover fanfic. But it does, apparently. :shifty:

    The showrunners of Galavant could have ended the show easily at the end of the first season, and they threw a huge eleventh hour monkeywrench in the works, hoping the show would have enough of a cult audience to get a mercy second season. Glad it did, and glad they know a third renewal would be miraculous. The show's basically there to benchwarm the timeslot while Once Upon a Time is on seasonal break. I'd rather see something like that than another hidden camera "reality show" like "What would You Do?" Which is totally what they'd put in the slot.

    Still... the appeal of Disney characters (and yes, they're the Disney versions of the fairy tale characters) being plopped into a crappy tween fan fic of a show eludes me. Playing it so straightfaced makes it rediculous. It's not a fun show, it doesn't know how to have fun. It knows only how to appeal to those who read Divergent and Shadowhunters type crap. And it excels at that.
  10. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Well-Known Member

    I don't watch Once Upon a Time but it's hard to believe they actually do some of the things they do. It seems like one of the most self-indulgent shows ever made.

    As for Galavant, I have a love/hate relationship with it. Never has a show stumbled more between trying too hard and being geniunely, enjoyably silly. The actors give it 110% which makes the show work in the long run (Timothy especially so, he wasn't the star of S2 for nothing) and the songs have that authentic Menken spirit. I'm not a prude, but the show is often worse when it wallows in crude humor. That's when it crosses the line into immaturity and it doesn't represent the show well.

    That said, the ratings for S1 were godawful and S2 was even worse. (they were hoping for "The Netflix Effect" but somebody at ABC forgot to put the show on Netflix!) I definitely think that Galavant may just end up, rather fittingly, falling on The Muppets' sword. There's much more capital to be possibly lost by cancelling Muppets, and would just be finanically viable to end Galavant (which did not end S2 on a major cliffhanger this time) and put that money into 13 eps of a midseason S2 of Muppets. Which obviously is probably cheaper than 10 episodes of Galavant.

    Of course this means that the show will go frozen in carbonite until early 2017, so this will be it for a long time even if the show gets renewed most likely. And even in that case we won't know the fate of the show until this May. Get ready, Muppets fans, the next two months will be a long one.
  11. KermieBaby47

    KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

  12. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

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  13. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Just because "The Muppets" wasn't renewed today doesn't mean it won't be. ABC makes their full renew/cancel announcements in (or just prior to) May.

    The shows renewed today in the first wave were established enough performers to where its not necessary for ABC execs to pour over tons of charts and data - these were all the "no-brainers".

    The Live+3 numbers aren't even in yet for the season finale (much less live+7 and multiplatform numbers). ABC will want to look those over first. They'll be crunching all the numbers. Looking at if their international distribution makes them profitable and if so by how much? How much does extra sources of revenue bring in like merchandising or the new Jack White single? The decision to renew vs cancel "The Muppets" needs more analysis than shows that have been on several seasons and have consistently high numbers.

    They'll also be looking at what comes in for pilot season and weighing if they have enough strong new shows or if it's better to keep allowing "The Muppets" to grow.

    But at any rate, this should still be a wake-up call for Muppet fans NOT to be complacent. It's our actions (or inaction) that largely tips the show's future into either column. If you want that second season, it's IMPERATIVE to be making those calls, emails, Tweets - and yes...even those old-fashioned pen-to-paper, sent-through-the-mail letters (which are more powerful since they're more of a rarity. When someone takes the time to mail a letter, people take note.)

    This is a new regime. It's not the same one that was big supporters of the show. They stopped airing promos for the last few episodes. They will be tempted to want to sweep it - and anything else it associates with an inadequacy of the former exec - off the table. They need to be hearing from us frequently and en masse as to why the show should be kept on the network. Be contacting both ABC Network AND your local affiliate.
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  14. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    ABC in particular is notorious for waiting until the last minute to decide the fate of their shows. I'm kind of surprised they announced this many so early.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't even mind self indulgent. House of Mouse was pretty self indulgent and it worked beautifully. The show could have come off as a commercial for Disney, but somehow it didn't. No. My problem with Once Upon a Time is that it's just so head up its own butt serious yet uses the Disney versions of the characters reinterpreted (or rather have all the joy sucked out of them) to not resemble them. In that case what's the point? But other than that, they're trying to make dark and dramatic out of fairy tales that were made kid friendly when the original versions were bleak and dark to begin with.

    Plus the whole crossover fan fiction for 12+ year olds angle.

    I think the show deserves a second season no doubt and I'll contact whoever I can once I have the time. I know ABC's going to keep us waiting with baited breath, but I really wish if they had plans to axe the show, they'd get over with it. Still, the show seems cheap enough to produce, much more so than action/dramatic programming. They're sinking all this money and promotion for "The Family" which, let's face it, isn't going to get an audience. It's...bad looking. I'll leave it at that. The Muppets got a sequel movie because it was low cost and managed a nice return based on that ratio. And they didn't lose "Lone Ranger" or "John Carter" money on the second. If cheapness and merchandising potential can keep the show afloat, then it's going to be what keeps it afloat.
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  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Knowing how jaded and cynical you are, I figured you of all people would see the reality of this situation that any amount of petitioning, begging, or pleading people do will more than likely have no affect on ABC whatsoever. It certainly didn't work with Cartoon Network when we begged for another season of Courage.
  17. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    It's better to try than to do nothing. Cartoon Network and ABC are two separate channels. You never know what could happen.
  18. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    The show just finished 3 days ago so Abc executives might not have made a decision
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    CN's live action programming and relentless reruns of Johnny Test in the past have proven that CN doesn't listen to fans.
  20. Luke kun

    Luke kun Well-Known Member

    #RenewTheMuppets! Really! RENEW THEM!!!

    *stomps around with a flag saying "Renew the Muppets" similar to when we wanted the Penguin smilies for Muppet Central*
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