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Scooter: who's who

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Mr.Penguin, May 7, 2003.

  1. Mr.Penguin

    Mr.Penguin Member

    ;) Scooter. We all know who he is. Now whos better
    at replacing :)cry: ) Richard? Everyone mentions Brian Henson
    taking the wheel but what about Adam Hunt? Brian might
    be better but I like the sound of a Hunt performing. Post
    your opinions.
     
  2. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    I have to say that Adam's Scooter is pretty darn good. A little high, but good. On the other hand, i think Brian deserves the character more. he doesn't eally have a "main" character that worked well. Sal is good, but not a main character. Dr. Phil is way too annoying for me. Scooter is good for Brian because he can do a darn good Scooter and is already a preestablished character giving him a definate place as a main character.

    Niether really do a perfect Scooter, though when I first heard Brian do Scooter in the movie I felt as if Richard were alive and performing him. It's the same way I felt when I heard Steve do Statler.
     
  3. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel New Member

    Adam's voice was a close approximation, but he's not a puppeteer and hence isn't in the running.

    Matt Vogel also did Scooter and Janice for a Playstation game a few years ago, but he wasn't able to audition for the Christmas movie. (He was shooting Sesame while the movie taped in Vancouver.)

    secret squirrel
     
  4. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Hmmm. This topic has been mentioned before. Personally, I think they both did a good job. Scooter has the type of voice that you can't really imitate. You just have to go with whatever comes naturally. Since, Adam's Scooter only had one line, it was hard to tell how he sounded. I thought Brian's was really good though. He should stick with the character. Now, if only he could get Janice's voice right.
     
  5. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Secret,

    That is a shame about Matt not being able to attend, He did a really good job with Muppet Race Mania.

    I think he could be Janice full time, His Scooter was good to.

    But when I heard Brians Scooter I was just stunned, It was just like Richard was performing. I say Brian stays on as Scooter, Which is very possible now, Isnt it ?

    I also agree that Steve should stay on as Statler.


    see ya
     
  6. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    I havn't heard Matt or Brian do Scooter yet so I can't comment on it.
    Can any one help with an audio clip. Just like in the discussion on Statler ?
     
  7. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Re: Secret,

    I'd like to get my hands on that game. I haven't heard Matt as Scooter or Janice yet. Or is that just for Playstation? That's a system I don't have.
     
  8. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    I guess it's a playstation only game. I haven't seen it for anything else.
     
  9. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    I'd like to hear Matt's Janice, but even if his Scooter is perfect Brian should keep the character because he did an amzing job in the movie. I have PS2 so I should probably buy Muppet race Mania to hear the difference.
     
  10. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    i would like to hear matt's scooter and janice just to see what the characters sound like..

    but i agree that brian should be kept as the current performer of scooter. he did a great scooter.

    ryan
     
  11. Mr.Penguin

    Mr.Penguin Member

    Thanks for the replys. I was thinking of Adam. Just because he's
    a Hunt and he's just as good as Brian. Wait-- :concern:---
    I agree with you. You know better than I do.

    This message will self destruct in 5-4-3-2-1--- :crazy: BOOM!!!!!!!
     
  12. Jivepuppet

    Jivepuppet Member

    I had a huge debate many years ago with a friend about Kermit's voice, It was just as Chrismas Carol was being released. He was disapointed in Whitmires voice. I wasn't. For my friend , he wanted to hear a carbon copy of Jim, and didn't care much about weither a puppeteer even did the voice. For me, I was more concerned with the personality. Steve Whitmire nailed Kermit's personality and always had, even adding to it over the past few years. Jim's Kermit changed over time, and so has Steve. He sound more like Jim every time I hear it in something new. So letting Brian Henson do Scooter falls in the same category, personality. Whoever makes me belive it's Scooter and not just some puppet gets the job. So good luck Brian, you've earned it. ;)
     
  13. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    When it comes to replacements I have mixed feelings. For me, the voice is important, but so is personality.

    When it comes to Piggy, Fozzie, and Animal, Eric has the personality AND the voice whichmakes him perfect.

    Scooter being done by Brian has personality and a darn good voice, so he's my fav for Scooter.

    Now the Swedish Cehf being done by Bill is another huge hit for me. Personality and voice from what I've seen.

    From what I heard in the Weezer making of clip with Rowlf, Bill hasn't seemed to capture the voice that well or the personality. He was too much like Bobo. And when Pepe was finally off screen, Rowlf talked about him. Rowlf wouldn't have done that I think.

    Kermit is a bit tougher for me. I definatly miss Jim's Kermit, but I also accept Steve's Kermit as the character. I think with Kermit being a radical change hurt the transition process for all. With Scooter, he was silent for so long I think people are way less critical of Brian. Chef is a fairly easy voice so that helped Bill a lot I think. And of course who can beat Eric's Piggy, Fozzie and Animal besides Frank himself?

    Anyway thats just how I look at it.


    Oh! One more thing. Statler. Statler has not been the same since Jerry took him over. he doesn't sound right, he doesn't look right now, and the interaction between Statler and Waldorf isn't as good either. As you all know, I think Steve captures the look, the personality, and the voice. But I think I've stated my opinion on Statler more than enough times. :D
     
  14. Jivepuppet

    Jivepuppet Member

    You nailed it on the Rowlf thing. There's something about that character that has to be just right. Hopefully in time Bill BAretta will warm up to it some more.
     
  15. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    I agree with most of what was said here. I guess we don't need to say much more about Steve's Statler, since that's been discussed enough here. I want to comment on Bill's Rowlf. Most of the time he sounds fine. It's basically that he only sounds like Bobo for lines when he has a lower voice. Again, I always thought Bobo sounded similar to Rowlf. But there are differences between the two voices. I still think that Bill should stick with Rowlf rather than giving him to another puppateer. He's been doing the character since MCC. He just hadn't had enough lines. Like somebody mentioned, he just needs to get the dialect right.
     
  16. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    That someone was me. :D

    If Rowlf had been brought back in MTI with actual LINES! (I don't think Bill worked on MCC since he didn't do the chef in that one either) And used more in MFS with actual LINES! Then maybe we would have grown on the new Rowlf more. Instead all we hear are grunts, moans, and sighs that sound exactly like Rowlf. Then when we hear him say a whole sentence, and it's not exact, we get dissappointed.

    With most character transitions you just have to throw the new guy out there and see what happens, instead of putting him in the back with tiny lines that get everybody thinking the voice is perfect and waiting to be unleashed on us. (no pun intended)

    Imagine if Steve didn't do Kermit as a main character at first. Instead, we saw Kermit in the back and heard Steve do something that sounded exactly like Kermit like a laugh or one word that sounded perfect or something. I don't think nearly as many people would be happy with his Kermit as they are now when he finally decided to talk in sentences.

    Intead, Kermit was just thrown at us and we had to get use to it fast. That's what Bill should do with Rowlf. Just throw him at us and do the character as a main character like Eric did with Piggy and Fozzie.
     
  17. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Well, I prefer Brian's Scooter to Adam's. It's closer. But, there's one thing everyone's seemed to forget. Scooter's voice fluctuated when he said specific things. When he got sotr of upset or worried (or when singing), his voice got deeper, with a slight growly sound to it. This is one thing that neither Brian or Adam did. That's my only problem with Brian's Scooter. Otherwise, it's dead on.
     
  18. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    the problem with rowlf is that bill is to busy doing pepe that he limits rowlf lines in movies and specials etc. but like i've said before, it's all what the writers write and for what character. rowlf will not ever shine if there is a lot of line for pepe.

    i didn't like it when bill had rowlf talk about pepe either. it's like bill just loves pepe or something....

    ryan
     
  19. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    If anyone has a clip of the voices from RaceMania, PLEASE post them! I've never had a chance to hear them myself.

    Does anyone remember Dwayne? He used to post at the Delphi MC forum a lot. We got in a Muppet Impressions contest once, and he did an absolute dead-on Scooter. It was so good it was scary. I know there's no chance of it, but he gets my vote for the new Scooter. ;) (And though I didn't think so at the time, I now realize he did a dead-on Rowlf too.)

    But seriously, though the voice isn't 100% perfect, I vote for Brian as the new Scooter. Matt's busy on Sesame, and Adam's not a puppeteer. Brian needed more characters than just Sal and the possibly now-retired Van Neuter, and I think this is the key. I like Brian's performance of him.

    Bobo sounds a lot like a deep-voiced Jim character, so he seems ideal for Rowlf, but ironically, Rowlf in the Weezer thing sounded more like Bobo than anything else. I think with time and practice, Bill will get it right. He's closer than some of the other performers/characters mentioned. And I agree that above all we need to see Rowlf more. I'm tired of him hiding in the background.

    BTW, Bill was involved in MTI, as he performed at least Clueless Morgan. I think he did actually perform the Chef in that one, too. The Chef was performed by David Rudman in MCC, and by Dave Goelz in MFS because Bill was busy with Pepe in that scene. I do believe Bill is the Chef's main performer, now, and I'm happy with that.
     
  20. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Active Member

    it's a shame that Bill cannot do Rowlf all the time, due to Pepe, but his voice is probably closer than anyone elses.....and he just has to straighten out Rowlf and Bobo

    Sarah
     

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