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scooter's growth spurt?

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by doc hopper, Feb 7, 2003.

  1. doc hopper

    doc hopper Well-Known Member

    is it me or is the scooter figure a little large...
    on his own, the figure is amazing - especially the shiny jacket. the details are incredible. but standing next to the rest of the figures, he seems a little bit ... well ... big. i mean, he's almost as big as fozzie.

    not that i'm disappointed! scooter rules! it's just that if i want to display him with the rest, he has to be slightly seperated so that he doesn't look so humongous!
  2. Stryder Wolfe

    Stryder Wolfe Well-Known Member

    havne't seen them all together yet, but I'm sure it'll come up in a couple of weeks...there's always some figures that people think are too big/small, but palisades works off the actual puppet...it's just that the scale of the muppets changes from the way they are performed or something...
  3. sudnam

    sudnam Member

    Yeah, since Scooter is ostensibly a human, he would technically be bigger than a frog but smaller than a bear, although the puppets don't necessarily reflect that. But then, a frog would be much smaller and a bear much larger, so...who can say? As long as Sweetums is twice the size of the regular figures, I don't think I'll have too many problems w/the scale.
  4. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    It was said that the scale is correct but the muppets themselves change heoght. I think Scooter should be just a little smaller though. I saw a prototype comparison between Scooetr and Kermit. Definatly looks a little weird. Still a cool figure and I'm sure it isn't a big deal. Probably will only be noticed by muppets freaks like us :D
  5. Foreignman

    Foreignman Well-Known Member

    Scooter's not a human, he's a gofer! That was always the joke, cause gofer is a word used for the animal plus lackeys, like a double meaning... A pun for lack of a better word... Actually pun is a better word... Well, he is humanoid, but so are Kermit and Fozzie and Miss Piggy and Gonzo and... Just about everyone! So let's set the record straight:
    Gonzo=Whatever!!! (stupid Muppet's from Space contradicting me wherever I go)

    Ben Green may not be held responsible for thinking out loud, explaining jokes, or misspelling his own name in unnecessary disclaimers
  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I've seen em all together too and personally i didnt think Scooter was that large compared to the others. I dunno, maybe i'm wrong. I don't think i'd change anything even if they had used a bit of artistic license - he's just so cool looking.
  7. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    I don't think Scooter is meant to be an actual gofer as in the animal. I think the joke was what is Scooter and Kermit calls him a go-for as in go for coffee. He is suppose to be human.
  8. MrTheFrog

    MrTheFrog Well-Known Member

    I've seen the Scooter puppet in person, and I have the figure, and I can confirm that he is definitely too big. In fact I'd even go as far as saying that he's kinda...well, giant. The sculpt is perfect as is the paint job , but Scooter is a little guy, and the figure doesn't reflect that at all.
  9. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Well then that just sucks. :(
  10. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I've seen the puppet too--and he is significantly larger than say, Kermit and Gonzo are....not as big as Fozzie and some of the others, but he's bigger than you might think. I think the Palisades scale is fine.

  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I dunno, the eyes(glasses) and mouth seem a bit off...hmmm. Well, I can tell oddly enough as simple as he seems hes probably the hardest to capture.

    Btw, did anybody else's Scooter come with little Judy Garland records, short clubbin' shorts, or Broadway musical tickets?

    ...hmmm, must be a factory error;)
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    We'll have to see him in person to know for certain. His head has always looked larger than Kermit's and he is significantly taller than Kermit and Gonzo in some full-bodied reference photos I have. He’s actually right in-between Gonzo and Fozzie, more on the Fozzie side. When you really look at it, he's really not all that short. It's difficult to tell with just the first half of the puppet because heights vary to cheat these guys into the frame. If we judged of frame height, Rizzo really would come up to Kermit's shoulder.

    Here is a good pic to demonstrate how tall he is in relation to Gonzo (who is about Kermit-sized) and Fozzie. (note Scooter's bent knees, he's actually even taller)
  13. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Good reference. Here's another and my reasoning about scale of figures compared to muppets.

    I think the scale issue comes from the addition of legs. This is something we are not use to. However if we look at The Muppet Movie can can see an interesting scene. Scooter is in the back, yet he looks almost as big as Fozzie! If he were in the front you would see that Scooter with legs is pretty much that big as a puppet. Also, Floyd with legs looks a lot taller than without. His figure reflects that too. Zoot looks like he lost his legs though. There is no way the puppet with legs could be that short. I think Zoot should be about as tall as Floyd. Maybe even taller maybe shorter but somewhere around that height.


    here's a link to the pic in question.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Good job on the image. Muppet heights have never been very consistent and there really aren't that many full body shots. But Scooter's full body height always seems to be the same in all the pictures I’ve seen, and that usually leaves him around the height that has been reported.

    Who knew that Strangepork is Kermit's height and that Link is taller than Fozzie. The Palisades people have spent a lot of time working with Henson and researching reference material to sort all of this out. I trust that Scooter won't be a giant. That's the same thing that was said about Fozzie and his scale seems perfect to me. Just my view on all this.

    It always surprises me to see how small Gonzo really is. Now, that figure is actually a smidge too large in the face IMHO, but not enough to make it worth changing. These figures also have a life of their own. Nobody’s come near to the detail of these.
  15. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Well-Known Member

    Artie felt that Scooter was too big also..a giant. I don't agree with that. Thing is, that for every photo I have that suggests that the figure height is close to the average puppet height, I have photos that refute that. I basically have hundreds of images at my disposal, and all we can really do is try to do an amalgam of puppet style and size and all that.

    I remember way back in the day working on Looney Tunes stuff. WB provided me with a TON of visual guidelines...and there was no real way to deviate, know what I mean? All the scales and sizes spelled out, and definitive reference. There is no, and probably will never be, a "definitive" guide to the puppets like that. We just have to do it the way we think could work the best.

    As for the likenesses...I consider that in the same category. I have so many different pictures of so many different versions of these things it would be impossible to have a definitive likeness. If we get close in some cases I'm happy. In some cases we cheat the likeness even more in favor of movement, since they are supposed to be articulated action figures. I've heard some stuff that Zoot or Rowlf is wrong, or others in earlier series. I consider it a ****** if you do and ****** if you don't situation. If you stay perfect to a perceived likeness and remove the jointed areas in say, the neck on Zoot or the ears on Rowlf, you'll have many people happy with the way they look and many people disappointed in the lack of articulation. If you go the route we take and have likeness compromises, you'll have many people happy with the way they move and play and many people disappointed in the likeness.

    I think we will end up cheating likeness in favor of movement on every figure we can and try to get the best likeness versus articulation. These are the action figures. When we do the Mini Muppets we don't have to as much, so you will see likeness win in the likeness/movement war.
  16. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Personally I like the Zoot figures more than the actual Zoot puppet. The Zoot puppet has some weird strip pants in the Muppet Movie. The Zoot figure has really cool faded jeans, or at least that's what I saw in the pictures as I do not have series 3 yet! :mad: :D

    The Scooter issue is not going to hinder sales of the figure though. It's something that only obsessed muppet fans care about, like the people on thses boards :D . And we all know obsessed muppet fans buy all the figures anyway lol
  17. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Well-Known Member

    I actually don't know if that was something you were saying to be funny (and it was funny) but I think that is the opposite over here. I have found that a lot of the hardcore Muppet fans have not been fanatical about collecting every figure. I understand the reasons, it's just an observation.
  18. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Wow, that seems odd. What are the reason's?
  19. matleo

    matleo Well-Known Member

    Can I field this one?? I know I'm one of the hardcore fans not collecting every fig. There are a few reasons for that. For some of us it's a question of money and space. I work as a puppeteer and live in a fairly confined apartment which is filled with puppets, props, set pieces, a growing collection of Muppet stuff, plus whatever my wife owns. I don't really have lot of room for action figures (I already have a TON of action figures I no longer play with takign up space in my mother's basement) And I can't really afford EVERY fgure that comes out. Another part of it is that, for me, I'm really just interested in having the characters. Truth is variants don't do a lot for me. I skipped Gonzo in Series 2 cause Gonzo in a his leotard always kinda freaked me out. It's not his most flattering look and I knew that if I held out, I'd get a better Gonzo fig and the rumors have been all long that that one woul have Camilla too!! So I'd rather hold off and spend the $8 a little wiser. Tux Rowlf doesn't do much for me in Series 3 nor does MTI Sam in Series 4. I'll hold out, be patient and get the regulars cause I think they'll be even better. Becasue I know that these are figs I probably won't play with.
    I don't think a hardcore Muppet fan neccessarily equates a hardcore collector. I LOVE Muppets. I always have. I'm a became a puppeteer because of Muppets. I have a lot of the books and the episodes and I have Jim's autograph hanging on my wall, and whatnot...but I don't need 6-7 figures of (insert character here) to show that. And I don't think it makes me any less of a fan or mean that I love Muppets less than someone else. It's personal preference. Now I'm not saying that there aren't exceptions to my buyign variants. I will definitly pick up a tux Teeth when it comes out, Tux Fozzie is on my possible list, Koozebane Kermit is on my list of figs I want, and yes, I even bought a Tux Kermit (for reasons I quite can't remember...impulse buy)
    I should also state here (and I've said this before) that Ken and Palisades have won me over on a number of times on this line. When this line was first annouced I figured I would pick up a few figs (5-6, my faves) and be done with it, I currently have 15 of the figs (yes, some are variants). I wasn't too keen on the idea of an EM stage at first, but have been blown away by it!! Thought I would pass on Crazy Harry....until I saw him. Not really a big Miss Piggy fan and thought I would wait and get her in PIS uniform (that would have been enough to satisfy me)....until I saw the EB long-haired Piggy. So occaisionally I DO buy things out of respect for what this company has done. This is a phenomenal line and I will buy most of the figs, but I also have to excercise some control and some restraint. I don't think there's anyting worng with that and I don't think that there is anything wrong with beign the otehr way and colecting EVERYTHING. it depends on what your interest is. Hope this answers the question Wiggy. Talk to you later.


    WOMAN! WOMAN! Well-Known Member

    After reading this thread, I watched Vol. 1 of TMS DVDs. Scooter comes up to the top of Fozzie's nose in that one. Pretty tall, then, cause Fozzie is huge in the figures. He might just look shorter on TV because he's got a big head on a skinny body. The Dudley Moore Syndrome... :)

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