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Sesame Street censorship

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by Boober_Gorg, Oct 17, 2002.

  1. Splurge

    Splurge Member

    That's difficult to say, considering the new format of the show doesn't really allow for too many cartoons or films unless they are about the letter/number of the day or somehow are related to the "street" storyline in the first part of the show. And of course, the seasons have now been reduced to having only 26 episodes.

    I'm inclined to believe that hypothetically, if it weren't for those variables, "Here We Are" would be more likely to air, even with "to heck with there" intact. I do like that tune.

    Hmmm... maybe we should send in scripts that have the entire storyline dealing with cacti. :)
  2. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Actually, the term "meatball" is NOT a weight insult. It is a slang meaning a stupid, clumsy or dull person. I don't know the origin of the slang, but it was commonly used in the 70's. I never hear it used in today's language anymore.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd see "to heck with there redubbed some how, since that's basically a pretty rude thing for kids to say. The didn't like the useage of Darn or heck any other way, I guess they don't even like using stupid, replacing it with Silly. I never did care for silly... I never liked the word, myself.

    But using something like to heck with there would lead kids to saying, "To heck with you" or "to heck with (something)." That sounds like the thing they'd want to stamp out. I mean, redubbing the word Sissy (even though no one even uses thgat word anymore) galvenizes my opinion.
  4. Hays

    Hays New Member

    It is a parents job to let kids know what's appropriate and what's not. If we expect kid's TV to represent perfection, then we're going to wind up with something dull and unimaginative.

    For instance, there's a cute Twix commercial where they take a CD and smear it with peanut butter and put it into the CD player - and it turns into a Twix bar. As a parent, I could campaign to Mars and my local TV station to have the commercial removed, or I could be reasonable and talk to my kid about how what he sees on TV is pretend and he'll break the CD player if he does that (and hide the peanut butter)

    There is certain language that's inappropriate for children's TV, but extending this rule to all behaviors and language kids might imitate is crazy. I don't want my kid throwing his food around like Cookie Monster (a problem I admit we have, as it's his favorite character) but I'm absolutely not going to ban Cookie Monster from our TV.
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm basing my earlier post on the fact that wanda the word fair couldn't say "darn it!" I heard that they had to edit an episode of Fractured Fairy tales because Aladdin said "Darn" and the ABC censors thought it would lead kids on the road to swearing.

    Personally, I don't find fault with swearing personally. Except the big F....
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Y'know, this all reminds me of how a few years ago, I was playing with a neighborhood girl (don't worry, I was only 10 then), and I used the phrase "what the heck". And she flat out said "ooooooo, you said a bad word!" Actually, I wonder if some words like fart, or sucks isn't allowed on Sesame, I can't even say them at home either. :(
  7. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    It would be strange if "darn" and "heck" were being censored because there was a time that these words were considered wholesome substitutes for the offensive ones. There was an old Edgar Bergin/Charlie McCarthy radio episode where Charlie dreams he dies and goes to "heck". He says, "Where the heck am I?" The devil says, "That's where you are. You're in HECK." Someone even made a joke that in the old days, people were so prudish, you had to say "hectacopters" instead of "helicopters". The word "darn" was used on numerous family shows of the 60's and 70's too. On an episode of "Happy Days", Al did a Clark Gable impression and said, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a darn." When did "heck" and "darn" become a problem for anyone?
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You know what I hate about Heck? When people are actually talking about He** they have to use heck. They did get away with it on Hysteria (They also did D*** as in D*** the torpedoes. But those were historical quotes).

    But when I think of Heck, I think of Phil, the prince of insufficient light from the Dilbert cartoons...
  9. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Active Member

    Forgive me for sounding a bit dense, but what's so offensive about the "5-cent" thing? Does it mean something bad?
  10. rjschex

    rjschex New Member

    Not so much offensive, buy WAY out of date! Now, gumballs cost about 5 times as much!
  11. Mister Fred

    Mister Fred New Member

    This is an excellent example of an outstanding parent (the quote listed above). I think it was ridiculous to retire the counting segment with the baker falling down at the end as well as Don Music. I also noticed that the song / segment everybody eats has been edited. There was a kid eating food with his/her bare hands that should be eaten with a spoon or fork. This has been edited out. Another edit was in the song / segment everybody sleeps. There was a man who yawned while sitting in a chair, fell asleep and fell out of his chair onto the floor. This was edited out as well. If any editing is done it should be to get rid of that cookie monster song healthy food. The clothes cookie monster is wearing are stupid. Another edit should be that live action with Ernie's poetry readings. Ernie has a hat on backwards & some torn clothing ( a vest I think ). The quality of Sesame Street in recent years has gotten very bad. Being honest, the show is totally dominated by Elmo & is primarly for black & hispanic kids. My mom watched Sesame Street alot with me when I was a kid in the 1970's. I would laugh at lots of stuff & learned it was not right to eat like the cookie monster. I especially know not to say anything bad & talk like oscar the grouch such as " ding dong your wrong ". I loved all the Don Music segments. I liked the baker falling down at the end of that counting segment. My mom liked alot of stuff on Sesame Street as well. She even sang along with some of the songs. Her favorite was the "Pockets" song / skit. Whenever it was on, she sang along. She even sang it around the house as well. A good parent that shows there kids what is right & wrong is fantastic
  12. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    But, what about edits in your own message? Originally, your message said, "The clothes cookie monster is wearing are stupid; he is dressed like a ******. (I will not use the word I'm thinking of cause it is not nice)." That line is no longer in your message. We all know what word you were thinking of and I think it's pretty shameful that you would go there.

    Furthermore, Sesame Street was originally geared towards inner city children of various ethnic backgrounds. The message has also been about racial understanding and tolerance for ALL races. If this message is lost on someone, then they really have no place in the world of Sesame Street anyway.

    Racism, albeit ever so subtle, does not belong on this kind of message board.
  13. Hays

    Hays New Member

    Thank you for the compliment, but I agree with GeeBee. One of the things I value most about Sesame Street is its ability to present a wide range of differences, be they fur, language, height, ability or culture.

    I found a great article on the roots of SS, and how central cultural diversity is to its mission here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame_Street
  14. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Thanks for sharing that link. And yes, Hays, I certainly agree that your points were valid. It's just a shame that haters have to put their prejudice into everything. Mister Fred's comments were extremely out of line. It's a shame that racists have to ruin nice communities like these. Don't they have enough groups of their own to join?
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Now why the *&^Y would they edit footage of Babies eating with their hands? That's what babies and younger kids do! I mean, come on! Isn't it the job of the parent to teach those kids things, and that you shouldn't mimic the TV?

    I mean, parenting has been slack, I agree. People leave their kids to watch TV while they go to their 2nd job to buy selfish things for themselves (there are some who actually have to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet, but I'm talking about the yuppies who carry cell phones in their SUV's, and have 3 SUV's in the house hold).

    And yes, I know that you cannot stand the culture and deversity of the show... BUT IT WAS ALWAYS CULTURALLY DIVERSE! Some racists didn't like it because of Gordon, a nonwhite that didn't have 2.5 kids and promote white capitalist yuppie whatever! I think that you were waaaaay out of line on that! Sure, I can admire you're peved that Sesame Street doesn't have the good stuff thanks to ACT, millions of Child Psycologists (most work for the show), and other censorship crazed nuts, but don't take it out on anyone but those guys!
  16. Mister Fred

    Mister Fred New Member

    I am sorry. I was wrong expressing my remarks about cookie monsters clothes. I should be more polite. Once again, I'm sorry. Let's all stay on the same boat and be the best of who we are regardless of color, gender, height, or weight.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Thank you! We all appreciate it!

    But this does bring to mind something.

    There was an old cartoon where 2 kids watych a spagetti TV western and they talk like TV Indians. A boy speaks out, "Real Indians don't talk like that!"

    To which another boy says, "How do you know?"

    The kid replies, "Because I'm an Indian..."
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  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Would you believe I forgot to finish the post?

    Anyway, my question, was this segment dropped because of the refferences to violence, or the fact that t\Indian was replaced with Native American?
  19. Boober_Gorg

    Boober_Gorg Active Member

    Another example of Noggin censorship I just noticed ...

    The "Fisherman Song" sequence with Judy Collins appears to be edited. After the 2nd chorus, the camera pans across the dancing crowd, and that pan is repeated again, indicating that something has been omitted. Also, listen closely to the dialogue during the bridge: it sounds like they censored a joke that ends with "he cut off his nose!"

    Has anyone seen this unedited? Please let me know.
  20. drmusic_99

    drmusic_99 New Member

    A line I'm surprised got through to begin with was in Oscar's song "I Hate Christmas" from "Christmas Eve on Sesame Street." (Referring to Santa:) "I'll tell him where to put his toys"

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