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Sesame Street Old School DVD's: Not For Kids

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Brooklyn, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. wwfpooh New Member

    Historically speaking, I am reminded of the quote Jim himself said during a documentary, "We're not inheriting the world from our parents, we're borrowing it from our children", for we are the children of tommorow. This is because if we live the world through the eyes of children, it would be more simplistic, more loveable, and more endearing.
  2. heralde Well-Known Member

    I do think that quote is very wise. :)

    Btw, I just heard the characters sing the song "Here Comes Santa Claus" in the "Elmo Saves Christmas" special. They changed the lyrics from "Santa knows we're all God's children" to "Santa knows we're all good children." ::sigh:: I'm sorry but....::sigh::

    Now not everyone celebrates Christmas as a religious holiday and that's fine, I have no problem with that at all. But the people who do celebrate it that way deserve respect too. Bottom line, everyone deserves respect. :)

    Classic Sesame Street (i.e. Christmas Eve on Sesame Street) managed to discuss the subject of faith without being preachy and without excluding any group.
  3. wwfpooh New Member

    To quote The Rock...It doesn't matter...:D

    Whether one be Mexican, Spanish, French, German, African, Iraqi, Australian, British, or a citizen of the USA or Canada is irrelevant, for whatever the nation, we all deserve the equal amount of respect.

    And that's the bottom line, plain and simple.

    But in order to do so, we break down the walls of biased hatred certain peoples--including some of our own--have put up and show those people that--though we're different--we're all the same in that we're all humans with feelings and rights.

    I believe Rick Derringer should change Hulk Hogan's theme song to include all peoples, for everyone--and not just Americans--fight for the rights of every person, and when you hurt friends, you hurt pride, you gotta be yourself, and not let that slide...But, whatever...*rolls eyes*
  4. heralde Well-Known Member

    Diversity is a very difficult concept for people as a whole, though ultimately a enormously positive goal to strive for. :)

    Sometimes we try so hard not to exclude anyone, that we end up getting rid of everything that's meaningful to each group. I don't see how that's helping, heh. I was always happy with Bob and Mr. Hooper's exchange in Christmas Eve on Sesame Street. It was simple and to the point, and expressed the message of mutual respect. And even a more recent SS special (it might have been Elmo's World) paid tribute to all three major Winter holidays, instead of ignorning them.
  5. wwfpooh New Member

    The problem with acknowledging all three though--even on a show like the Street--is that it nowadays makes the holidays seem more commerical than they're meant to be. On the other hand, we have a nation that thrives on commercialism and doing tributes and "25 Days" countdowns and the like does get the true meaning behind the holidays out to the public.
  6. heralde Well-Known Member

    That's true, though that's an issue that's going on everywhere, not just on the Street. I mean you can see Christmas as the birthday of a loving Savior. Or you can see it as a more general celebration of morality. Either way, that's the right idea. But now there's too much emphasis on the presents and the decorations and the money (though actually that's been going on for decades! :rolleyes: ).
  7. wwfpooh New Member

    If Saint Nick were still alive--and not just living through his immortal self, Santa--he would be appalled at the state of things today. :cry:

    He would probably want everyone to realize that Christmas--or whatever the holiday--isn't about the gifts, it is about what those gifts represent, and no, it doesn't represent gorging oneself on material things; The true meaning of the gifts--beyond that of a religious standpoint--is the same meaning of all the winter holidays...to have peace on earth and goodwill towards all humankind, regardless of nationality or personal differences.

    As Elmo and Pasty once sang, we need the world to make sure that everything feels like Christmas (or whatever the holiday), for seriously--IMO--both Jesus and the man that represents "Father Christmas" are watching us from up on high and as such, we must set an example for people to follow at this most wonderful time of the year.
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What I've been saying all along. I think it's kinda stupid to have that disclaimer, but if it stops these people from buying videos SW wasn't even secure about releasing for that reason, I can't really complain.

    I feel the 2 reasons why SW didn't want to deliver the goods to us fans who have been clammoring for this for year was that they figured it wouldn't be profitable, and that these parents will buy them up. And while I can't see anything objectionable in them, I sure as heck see Elmo obsessed kids crying and trying to throw the disk set away since he isn't constantly mugging th screen every 3 minutes.

    Why else would SW have Elmo constantly in our face, and face harsh critisism from it's old school fan base, if kids didn't love him. Kids in general, actually...

    Sometimes I wish he would have stayed the monstery version of himself they originally had. The one where he was almost in his terrible twos type stage (look at the monster hits DVD).
  9. wwfpooh New Member

    Not all kids are Elmo-obsessed. Plus, even those that are could be de-Elmocized if they're taught to like (and accept) different things.
  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Not all of them. In general yes, the mainstream loves him. That's like saying in general, America loves reality shows. Now, I hate them, myself, but the majority of people love those pieces of Junk.

    I will say, older kids with an open mind wouldn't shoot this down, and maybe pay attention. But the youngest of the young will be expecting Elmo.
  11. wwfpooh New Member

    But really, should the youngest of the young really be watching the Street in general? It seems all dumbed down since its earlier days, IMO.
  12. heralde Well-Known Member

    When I have kids, I will prefer to show them the more classic material, I think it's ultimately more helpful. And I'm all for teaching kids to be open to new things. I don't like the idea of kids learning so young that if they don't like a popular character, they're out of luck. Again, kids do need to be guided to a certain extent. We can't sit back and assume everything will be fine as long as they are watching a popular character. We can't sit back and say "Oh well, my kid likes this, there's nothing I can do!" Parents are supposed to lead by example, not trust the mainstream to raise their kids.

    Also, just because a particular genre is all over TV, doesn't mean it's what the majority wants. There are a lot of Elmo fans, but a lot of "other character" fans too. We just don't get to hear from them.
  13. wwfpooh New Member

    Exactly. I love The Count, for example (he's my fav. Street character), but since Elmo took over, he's been drastically toned down since his early days.
  14. Drtooth Well-Known Member


    I really think SW is trying hard to move away from it. problem is, the kids won't let them. This year seemed really low key, but the simple fact of the matter is there were drastic changes. We lost all the segments that were implied 2002, except the letter and number segments. We still have EW, but they tried to get rid of it. Unfortunately the kids clammored for it, and it's still going to be a part of the show. And I jumped 5 feet out of my chair when I saw they had the episode with 2 letters of the day. Unfortunately they only did that once. I can't say the show has been dumbed down, so much as over sanitized.

    But what burns me up is when people say, "I won't let my kid watch Sesame Street because it got so dumb. So we watch Blues Clues and Dora." That's like saying that you go to a restaruant your entire life, they discontinue thier signature dish that you love, because they're competing with a restaraunt that just opened up across the street. Now, they are blatantly trying to copy their most famous dish, but trying to give it their own spin. You suddenly leave and say, this is terrible. I'm going to th competition that caused the first restaraunt to become lousy.

    I think kids could love classic SS. I think the easiest way to ease them into it would be a 1980's or early 90's episode. 70's would take some getting used to, but I can't see too many things objectionable.

    Mr. Rogers once said that kids never change, but that can't be said for child psychologists. They're constant Wembling over what kids should be exposed to is clearly what's wrong with SS. And I only blame SS for following it. Taking things way out of context is what they do for a living. We're letting the lifestyles of the upper middle class corrupt SS, and it's all the fault of these psychologists who deal mostly with those kinds of kids.

    We don't have a representitive for the poorer kids. In fact, I'm sure if Fat Albert were made today, the kids would hang out in Fat Albert's condo, playing with their X-box. And half of the kids would be white. I feel its a shame SS is now part of the grand scheme of sweeping lower middle class and lower class under the rug.

    But then again, they live in the city, and who hasn't seen once poverty stricken cities bought up by hearltess execs to put up luxury condos? Yeah. That's what I want to do. Pay over 1000 bucks per square foot to overlook an off ramp.

    Sad thing, if SS was real today, Hooper's store, the Fix it shop, Big Bird's nest? All bulldozed, and replaced by condos and up scale selfish pig stores (with goods made in third world sweatshops), and snotty restaraunts that make burgers and fries for 10 times the price and 10 times smaller than a Big Mac. And Luis, Gordon, and Bob would all have to live in government subsidised housing, because they make an honest wage that just can't pay for anything.
  15. wwfpooh New Member

    'Tis sad really.
  16. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    Made in 3rd world countries by KIDS. You forgot about the kids. :o
  17. wwfpooh New Member

    Indeed. The kids were the reason for the Street in the first place and sadly, as kids change and actually accept the new corporate stuff (note that I am referring to the Elmo-obsessed generation from the late 90's to the present here), we older folks get upset at how our version of how things were apparently must be gotten rid off for either update reasons, political correctness, or mere executive whim. And not any of those reasons seem like a good one for sticking us classic fans with that nasty disclaimer.
  18. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. All I can say is this. You want something to blame for SS's over sanitization? Mommy and Me Yoga Classes. Play Dates. Baby Einstine Videos. Prenatal Classical music. All bullcrap. None of it helps a child any more than traditional parenting. It just goes to show your class status.

    I will tell you, the first time I heard the words "Play date" on Sesame Street, my heart sank a lot further than any combination of Elmo's World, Monster Clubhouse and Hero Guy. Truely a sign of uppper class parenting.

    When I think about these kind of parents, I think of the ultra white bread "hot Moms" sipping appletini's watching their kids at a distance saying, "Oh yes, my little Suzie loves Dora the explora. I think it's good to expose her to the 'ethnics'." I.e. the people they hire for help around the house as they can pay them as little as possible, and if the help complains, they'll bring up their status to INS.

    In other words, evil, selfish people with quite a lot of money that think their little spoiled brat will grow up to be smart in any sense. That's where these ADD spazfest kids' shows (on Nick Jr, of course) come in.

    If Sesame Street were made today, it would take place in a Condo, and most everyone would be white, with one African American guy and one Hispanic person, both devoid of personality, and delivering one line per episode.
  19. wwfpooh New Member

    That and "Little" Jerry & his "monotone" band would be ringing on cellphones instead of booths! Actually, that's not a bad idea...Getting Jerry and the Monotones to pester corporations with until they give fans a good balance of old and new school, like the 80's and early 90's did. :D But in all seriousness, the corporations would just probably think we older folks are living in the past, but you would be too if it's been proven that the past is coherently and ultimately better than the "babysitter" garbage that's on now! :(
  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member


    That's one of the differences between "Dated" and "inapporpriate." I never see Phonebooths in my area. I never even see payphones. And anytime I see a phonebooth, I can't cease to be amazed.

    I wonder where Superman has to transform now.

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