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Sesame Street "Surprise" Song

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by Mike74, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Hi new member....just had a child and he's started watching SS (loves Elmo....but I'm steering him towards Grover) so I've been re immersed in the SS world. I was a huge fan growing up and now that I'm watching again I've been remembering and looking up old clips but I can't seem to find the "Surprise Song" clip anywhere. I have muddled memories of it, as I was very young at the time (think it aired in the mid 70's) but it seemed to involve the cast singing about surprises and being hit with pies. That's what I seem to remember, anyway! Any help with descriptions, transcrips or actual video would be GREATLY appreciated! Glad I'm back into the world of SS!
  2. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    The only song titled "Surprise" I know of is the one sung by Little Jerry and The Monotones. You might be able to get someone who has a copy of it to send it to you via the Lots of MUP3's thread in the Buy/Sell/Trade section, though I can't guarantee any results.

    Hope this helps and have fun exploring the rest of the forums.
  3. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Nope, definately not that song, this definately had Bob, Maria, Oscar and Mr. Hooper in it....
  4. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I know the one you're talking of - and this is one of those "holy grails" of Muppet fans...lots of people have fond memories of this song - it's one of the show's all time best pieces...and it still to this day has yet to see the light of day via either official release (dvd, Sesame's youtube channel or website) or within the tape trade/fan-posted online clips community.

    Musically it went all over the place - it was practically an epic (Sesame's "Bohemian Rhapsody" as it were.) I can't point you to a clip since many of us have waited a long time for it to surface...but i can give you a few words about it straight from Joseph A. Bailey's "Memoirs of a Muppet Writer":

    "Jon Stone commissioned a song called Surprise!. The accompanying video, written by Jon, probably involved more pies-in-the-face in three and a half minutes than the Three Stooges threw in a year.

    The word "Surprise" was used liberally throughout the song. Each time it was, some human cast member or Muppet caught a cream pie square in the kisser - always from an unexpected direction or person. Somewhere between 50 and 60 pies were thrown, mostly by Jon Stone, who had a wonderful time directing it.

    At the wrap party, the celebration held after the last show of the season is shot, choice pieces from the season were screened. The last one screened was Surprise! Predictably, it was a big hit. And, during the applause at its end, Producer Dulce Singer hit Jon Stone square in the face with a cream pie. Somewhere a still shot of that exists - I hope."

    There's a little more description of the piece in the "honorable mention" section at the end here: http://muppetfreak.blogspot.com/2012/03/top-five-coolest-sesame-street-songs.html
  5. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    This sounds like an EPIC, AMAZING segment....as I said, I vaguely remember it....why hasn't it been released anywhere? Seems that others remember it and would like to see it? Is it a right's issue? Are we sure no footage exists of it? What are other holy grail clips? Wow....I really need to see this clip, just to satisfy my curiosity! It seems it represents all that SS was in it's classic years.
  6. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    It's been ages since I've seen this too, but a few little bits stand out:

    Gordon is at the supermarket, and finds a monster in his shopping cart. (Surprise!)

    Bob tries to sing nursery rhymes- "Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water"- and gets a few buckets in the face.

    Take Two- "Mary had a little lamb, it's fleece as white as snow-" Bob gets buried under an avalanche of the white stuff. (Surprise!)

    In the last scene, Big Bird is sad because it seems everyone forgot his birthday. But he enters Hooper's store, sees a birthday cake, and a surprise party begins.

    Somewhere Mr. Hooper holds up a tiny little sweater "I hope this is your size!"

    And the pies start flying, and even Grover gets a facefull.

    The song ends with a pie being thrown at the camera, so we the viewers can be in on the joke too.

    Again, this is another gem I hope to see once more before I die.

    Some other Holy Grails to me:

    The Boy, The Girl, and The Jellybeans
    Muppet version of "Up, Up, and Away"
    English Muppet version of "Windy" (once posted on youtube in German)
    "Gone With The Wind" (on youtube in Spanish)

    Most likely we haven't seen them due to the legal clearance hassles, but just maybe someday...
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  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'm 99.9% certain that every episode still exists in full, which would mean this segment still exists. I recall reading a number of times long ago that Sesame Workshop has restored/remastered EVERY single episode a number of times over the years, even before Noggin started (and therefore when it looked like older episodes would never be released or rebroadcast again).

    When that line in the book about hoping that at least a still exists somewhere, I think he was referring to a picture from the event where Jon Stone was hit in the face with a pie.

    A few years ago Sesame Workshop allowed fans to nominate clips for 40 Years of Sunny Days. If Sesame Workshop ever provides the fans to nominate clips for another DVD release (maybe for the 45th or 50th anniversaries) I'll have to remember to nominate this "Surprise" song.

    There's a number of clips that were considered holy grails but in the last few years have been uploaded at sesamestreet.org and/or released on DVD. Some such clips include:
    • Baker #1 - now at sesamestreet.org and on the 40 Years of Sunny Days DVD
    • There's a Hole in the Bucket - now at sesamestreet.org
    • Beat the Time: Grover - now on the Old School Volume 2 and Best of Sesame Street Spoofs! DVDs and at sesamestreet.org
    • The original "People in Your Neighborhood" - now on the Elmo's World: People in Your Neighborhood DVD
    • Seven Monsters (a rarely-seen animated cartoon by Jim Henson and Maurice Sendak) - has surfaced on YouTube
    • Any clips with Aristotle - two of them are now on sesamestreet.org, while one of those clips is on the Old School Volume 3 DVD
    • Anything with Shivers the Penguin - Copper Pot Pictures recently uploaded a clip of the character on YouTube as part of it's "I Am Big Bird" fundraising campaign
    • Richard Hunt's performances as Elmo - a couple of clips appeared in the Being Elmo documentary
    • Telly Monster in his original TV-obsessed form - A clip of his first scene appears on the 40 Years of Sunny Days DVD, while his entire debut episode is on iTunes
    And there are clips that I believe are still considered "holy grails", though some have surfaced in other languages. These include:
    • The original Rubber Duckie (a clip showed up in The Muppets: A Celebration of 30 Years, but Sesame Workshop seems to think that the second and most well-known version is from the first season)
    • "Crack Monster" cartoon (not a monster who likes crack, but a crack in the wall that forms the shape of a monster)
    • Anything with Leslie Mostly or Deena and Pearl
    • The Count being served by waiter Grover
    • The Count's appearance on Miami Mice
    • Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (I think that insert only aired once)
    There's also the rarely-seen specials "Out to Lunch" (The Jim Henson Legacy occasionally shows clips at screenings), "Sesame Street at Night?", and "The Jean Marsh Cartoon Special", though "Out to Lunch" seems to be the one fans want to see in full the most. And because of the recent "I Am Big Bird" campaign I've heard of a 1984 special I had never heard of until then, "Big Bird in Austrailia". A couple of clips from that (including the aforementioned Shivers the Penguin clip) were posted on YouTube.

    I don't know if others would consider these to be "holy grails", but I'd really like to see any Buddy and Jim, Larry and Phyllis, and Wally and Ralph segment that hadn't been shown on Noggin or iTunes. It seems Sesame Workshop only wants to release those to the public when they release episodes that featured those segments. Ditto for any of the claymation letter segments Jim Henson worked on in the first season (three of them -- the letters S, Q, and U -- have aired on Noggin).

    I'd also like to see more of Michael Earl's performances as Forgetful Jones and Snuffy (only one of each has surfaced), and some of Brian Meehl's performances as Elmo.

    As epic as this segment sounds, I'd say that a truly episode segment (which most likely doesn't exist) would have to have had the ENTIRE cast. All adults who were on the show at the time and all Muppets who were being used at the time (maybe even characters who were no longer in new material but whose old segments were still being broadcast in new episodes).
  8. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Weird that the "3 Whipped Cream Pies On the Wall" segment is on YouTube, but this is not.....could it be that Sesame Workshop is holding it back because it represents what the show "was", meaning more slapstick and adult, and not what the show is now, meaning more geared towards REALLY young viewers? Same reason the warnings were on the OLD SCHOOL DVD's (until now, apparently). It's hard to believe that in this day and age, no video/photo evidence exits out there in the internet! I'm just glad I'm not crazy and that I really saw it, years ago! I seem to remember Maria saying "Oscar isn't in." I now must see this before I shuffle off this mortal coil!
  9. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Weird that the "3 Whipped Cream Pies On the Wall" segment is on YouTube, but this is not.....could it be that Sesame Workshop is holding it back because it represents what the show "was", meaning more slapstick and adult, and not what the show is now, meaning more geared towards REALLY young viewers? Same reason the warnings were on the OLD SCHOOL DVD's (until now, apparently). It's hard to believe that in this day and age, no video/photo evidence exits out there in the internet! I'm just glad I'm not crazy and that I really saw it, years ago! I seem to remember Maria saying "Oscar isn't in." I now must see this before I shuffle off this mortal coil!
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    To me, I'd also say that any song from the show where video footage hasn't surfaced in english but the song did appear on an album would be a holy grail (of course I know of some cases where the segments turned up in other languages and fans made their own english copies by replacing the audio with the english-language album audio). I know there are many tracks that only exist in audio form on albums, though some of the songs might have been sung on the show years later by different characters (and I'm not counting songs that started on the show and then were rerecorded for audio releases by the same characters and performers). But there are quite a few songs that are known to have been on the show first and then the broadcast audio was later included on albums, notably all the tracks from the Surprise! and The Gang's All Here albums. A few songs in particular that have appeared on albums that I'd like to see video of include I'm Square with Bert, We Coulda with Biff and Sully (this song recently showed up on one of the international co-productions and the whole episode, without audio, was on youtube for awhile before being taken down... And I only watched the segment once), the original I'm Sad Because I'm Happy with Oscar, and Counting is Wonderful with The Count.
  11. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    I would like to see those video clips, too.

    Another Sesame Street "holy grail" was that The Count counting 12 eggs from a Season 13 episode. I remember a short clip of that street scene being shown, without sound, on "The Muppets: A Celebration of Thirty Years".

    I wonder why Sesame Workshop hasn't released that clip on VHS/DVD nor uploaded it on their website and/or their Youtube account.

    Also, I would love to see The Count's "The Transylvania Polka" from Episode 1052, more of Poco Loco's earlier appearances (1974- early 1980's), the Muppet flamingo's appearance from Episode 831, more of Shivers the Penguin's appearances, Woodrow Woodpecker's appearance from Episode 1120, the Waldo Woodpecker's appearance from Episode 854, more footage from the Sesame Street wrap parties (especially the ones that featured Muppets in them), and any Sesame Street outtakes and behind the scenes videos that haven't been shown to the public yet.
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  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It sure has been a long time since Sesame Workshop last uploaded any classic clips, though some classic clips were replaced with different-quality versions (though I haven't noticed the different quality), in some cases the beginnings or endings were cut (and in some instances beginnings that were previously cut are now included, not to mention some of the News Flash segments that were previously on the site with the late-1980s title cards now being on the site with the original cards).

    It's been too long since the site last added any classic clips, though last time clips were added most of them were rare clips with characters who were hardly on the website at all, most likely for the sake of the Muppet section (though there's still no Leslie Mostly, Deena and Pearl, Dr. Nobel Price, Warren Wolf, The Mudman, or Shivers).

    Having said that, I hope that whoever's in charge of adding clips to sesamestreet.org comes across this thread and adds the stuff we're all clamoring for. There's probably hundreds of clips that haven't been seen by the general public in years, possibly before video taping programs was common. As far as not-quite-rare clips go, I'm surprised that after all these years there's still no Miami Mice on the website or DVD (I would expect one on Old School Volume 4, if we get a fourth Old School and it continues past 1984).
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There's a few segments I've read about via fan memories but haven't seen any official sources that confirm them. If they exist, I want to see them (which would prove their existience, though I don't doubt they exist).
    • Ernie looks out his window and sees Mr. Snuffleupagus, but when he tells Bert, Bert thinks he's imagining Snuffleupagus and tells him what an imagination is. Then Bert looks out the window and sees Snuffy, but when he tells Ernie Ernie tells Bert what he had just told him, leaving Bert unsure whether he saw Snuffy.
    • Bob goes searching for Kermit the Hermit while apparrently on safari. When he finds the hermit, he tags him and says "tag, you're it!"
    • I've recently seen a thread which claims there was a segment where Maria and David play characters who end up getting married. I can't remember all of the stated details, but I think it was said that they died or something immediately after marrying.
    • Somebody on the forum once mentioned that the episode that came after episode 2096 (where the adults finally saw Snuffy) involved Snuffy adjusting to making friends with them, eventually leading to Big Bird being concerned that Snuffy was spending so much time with his friends as opposed to him.

    And there's a few I've seen clips of that I want to see all of, at least to know the context:
    • There's a clip in the opening montage in 20 and Stil Counting where Maria and Bob (I used to think it was Luis) are at a table, apparently on a date or something, and they give shocked facial expressions. I feel like I might have seen the whole scene as a kid, but can't remember anything beyond the brief clip.
    • A clip in the Big Bird montage of the same special, where Big Bird comes across a one way sign. I assume the segment teaches the concept of "One Way".
    • A clip that appears during the Oscar the Grouch montage in Sesame Street's All-Star 25th Birthday: Stars and Street Forever, in which Oscar is in an oversized trash can and has oversized trash, as he sings a variation of "I Love Trash".
    • A very brief clip that appears in the promo for Being Green (but like all the classic clips in that promo it doesn't appear at all in the video) where Cookie Monster screams while standing in front of Oscar's trash can. Actually I think I might know what it's from: I remember long ago somebody mentioned a segment where Cookie Monster was hungry and ended up eating Oscar's lid because it was round like a cookie, only for Oscar to get mad, until it started raining and Oscar realized that without the lid the rain would go inside his trash can. I can only speculate that that's the sketch.
    • A clip that appears in Sesame Street Unpaved where Roosevelt Franklin tells his mom about a time when he couldn't spell. I've read about a season two sogn called "Roosevelt Franklin Spells His Name" and speculated that this was it, but then somebody at Muppet Wiki came across several season two guides which explained this scene in detail, which going by the description is definately a different scene, as it reportedly has Susan teaching Roosevelt how to read, and it takes place on the street and is part of the street plot in which Oscar opens his own postal service. Actually I'd like to see more Roosevelt Franklin sketches that take place outside of the classroom, particularly ones with his mother (it seems there's hardly any that didn't debut in the first season).
  14. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Wow, never knew there wer SO many "holy grail" clips out there; again, I'm not sure the SURPRISE song will ever see the light of day again because it's not what SS is nowadays, but I guess I can always hope....
  15. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    There's also more "holy grails" like these.

    . A segment featuring a young Miles kissing one of the Honkers that was shown during the opening montage of "Sesame Street: 20 Years and Still Counting"
    . Rufus's (the white dog who appeared in "Hey! Cinderella") appearance on Sesame Street
    . The unaired "Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce" episode
    . The Sesame Street Test Shows
    . Big Bird, The Count, and Meryl Sheep hosting The Today Show from November 14, 1988
    . Big Bird's pet Triangle, Pointy's appearance from Episode 307
    . Countess Dahling von Dahling's appearances, along with her dog, Masha
    . Any footage of the Sesame Street Cast Tours from 1970
    . Any footage of the Sesame Street LIVE! (1973 album)
    . Any more of Warren Wolf's appearances
    . Any Sesame Street deleted scenes that haven't been shown to the public yet

    That's just 11, 11 "holy grails" I have listed. Ah! ah! ah! :batty:
    But there's a lot more "holy grails" we have to count. Over 4000 episodes of Sesame Street have been produced and we're still finding a lot of them. We hope many of them get uploaded to Youtube anytime soon.
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  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's because it's not what Sesame Street is nowadays. After all, you could say that many of the episodes released on the Old School DVDs and iTunes "Sesame Street Classics" are not what Sesame Street is now and obviously those were released (I had wondered if the first two Old School volumes are still in print, as I hadn't seen copies in stores for years, but then volume 3 has promos for both volumes so they must still be in print).

    There's quite a few things that were taken off the show for having objectable content that have officially resurfaced on Noggin, sesamestreet.org and on DVD, including the baker films (all ten of them are on sesamestreet.org), Cookie Monster eating a pipe, Don Music segments, and Roosevelt Franklin segments. I wonder if there is anything objectable that Sesame Workshop hasn't made available because the company doesn't want fans to see, and would cut out of episodes if they were made available to the fans (I've noticed that Sesame Workshop has not made "I Want a Monster to Be My Friend" avilable since it was banned from the show, though the clip has surfaced on YouTube).
  17. Mike74

    Mike74 Member

    Which opens up the whole argument/questions as to why things are banned or considered objectionable now as opposed to years ago.....
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Here's something. There are well over 4000 episodes of Sesame Street. There's got to be hundreds, if not Thousands of sketches, and to comb through that mighty catalog is a daunting task. And I'm sure a LOT of sketches about Surprise are just labeled "Surprise" or they have very specific names only Sesame Workshop knows. Even if we were to request them, I'm sure they have no idea what we're talking about.

    SW has been good about some of the rare sketches, and we're very thankful about it. But some are just obscure and weren't shown many times when they were shown. Personally, I want to see the original version of the proto-Little Jerry Surprise as well, and I've been asking for that for years. The cut up Hebrew dub (that omitted the American human cast members) is long gone. There's the fan cut that tried to sync the album version to that footage, but that's about it. This new Surprise thing I've never even heard of.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I doubt the majority of segments that teach the concept of surprise are just labled "surprise". Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd like to think that the segment talked about her would be labled something like "Cast Surprise Song" or "Surprise (with cast)" or something like that.

    The Muppet Wiki talk page has scans from a number of CTW Archives documents, including every page from something called "first season show content", which lists practically every insert from the first season as well as listing all the episodes they appear in (well, all the first season episodes). I've looked at these pages many times, and have seen many intriguing-sounding segments (such as "Ernie makes a friend") that I'd put on my holy grail list. I'd like to see pages from "second season show content" or later to at least see if those kinds of lists included segments from previous seasons that got repeated.

    Those "first season show content" documents do list segments that are hard to figure out if you don't instantly know what they are. In fact there's a great deal of segments I saw listed that I was intrigued by, only later realizing that they were in episodes that had guides on the wiki that showed pictures from every segment (that Noggin didn't cut). For example, there's several listed as "Poverty A", "Poverty K", "Poverty X", and so on, I didn't know until later that the titles referred to the animation company "Poverty Pictures". And there were quite a few listed with titles like "Muppet (insert letter or number here) tag". I later realized that "Muppet A Tag" was the segment with monsters looking at the letter A, while "Muppet C Tag" was the sketch where monsters look at a letter C and whisper the letter to each other (it would have been more helpful if they replaced the word "Muppet" with "monsters").

    And in some cases segments were just listed as "Muppet tag" or "Film" or whatever under a grouping of segments from educational subjects. For example, the "over, through, around" film from the first episode was listed in a grouping of segments on that subject merely as "film", and a listing of various "near and far" segments listed the original segment with Grover as "Muppet tag".

    But aside from occasionally listed certain segments as "muppet tag" or "film" or whatever under a listing of segments from whatever subjects they teach, it pretty much avoided listing multiple segments with the exact same title. In some cases there are multiple segments with the same title and then a number listed (I think they were usually roman numberals, haven't looked at the scans in awhile). Such as three films titled "Noises", listed as "Noises #1" and so on. The various "F Cheer" and "K Cheer" segments were listed like that as well.

    And then there's the "People in Your Neighborhood" segments, which were listed with numbers and then, in parenthesis, listed what jobs were focused. For example, the first version was listed as "People in Your Neighborhood I (postman and fireman)".

    I wonder if Sesame Workshop has/had guides that contained descriptions as well as titles. Though many of the titles were descriptions, with not much to say beyond the title descriptions. I also wonder what they did with the many songs that have been remade over the years (I guess give them titles like "Imagination #2" and so on). Of course many segments have been listed with many different titles over the years, in those CTW Archives guides, DVD chapter stops, sesamestreet.org listings, and so on. Jim Henson's "Number Three Ball Film" seems to be listed by many titles depending on the source (including "Henson Ball", "No. 3 Ball Powder", and "Henson Ball High Wire #3"). Heck, Jim Henson's Red Book seems to list most of Henson's number films from the second season by the numbers they teach as opposed to more detailed titles.

    I often wish there'd be some kind of official guide listing every insert with titles, descriptions, and full listings of episode appearances. It would probably be very expensive, not sure how much interest it would have for casual fans, and very well could involve watching the full episodes (of course I'm sure many of us would jump at the opportunity to watch all the master tapes and keep track of what's in what episode, especially the first two decades, in addition to checking Muppet Wiki for the majority of episodes from the past two decades).

    Back on the subject of holy grails (to me), Muppet Wiki mentions that there are 13 Teeny Little Super Guy segments (cited from the creator's website), but only lists 8 segments. I don't think any additional segments have surfaced since I read that there are 13 TLSG segments, but interestingly, while none of the additional five segments are on sesamestreet.org, all but one of the segments listed on Muppet Wiki (the danger segment) is on the site.
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Another segment that is sort of a holy grail in english is part 3 of the three-part "Bert and Ernie: Banana in Ear" sketch. I don't know of any episodes with part 3, that's the only part that's not on sesamestreet.org, and it seems many fans only remember parts 1 and 2... But part 3 has shown up online in sweden.

    Part of me feels like many of the segments that were pictured/quoted in the Sesame Street Learning Kit books were holy grails before a handful of season one episodes were released on iTunes (and I'm sure more were holy grails before Noggin). Until episodes were added on iTunes, I don't think any of us had sketches like Bert having Ernie guess what happens next, Ernie thinking he has magic glasses, or Cookie Monster using Ernie's phone. Not sure how badly others wanted to see those sketches, but I think the phone segment might have been the biggest "holy grail" of the ones mentioned. Somebody actually posted a video on YouTube asking if anybody had that segment, showing a few pictures from The Sesame Street Book of People and Things.

    And there's at least one segment that appears in those books that still hasn't shown up online or in the hands of collectors. In The Sesame Street Book of Puzzles, there's a segment where Ernie is upside-down on the ceiling about to pour a glass of milk. Bert tells him that he can't pour milk when he's upside down, but Ernie does without problem. It looks like a weird segment, and I often wondered WHAT it was supposed to be teaching. The CTW archives "first season show content" mentions it as part of a four-part segment involving Ernie and milk. According to those documents, it was only broadcast once in the first season, and parts 1-3 all led to different segments (including Greeblies and Jaz #8). Concerning all that, I assume it wasn't shown often. Oh, and those files list segments under different educational topics, these milk segments were listed on a page marked "miscellaneous insert tapes", so I guess if it does teach something, it wasn't part of any of the shows main curriculums from the first season.

    I wonder if all of the segments from the Sesame Street Learning Kit were rarely if ever shown in the decade before Noggin was introduced. As a kid I had The Sesame Street Book of Puzzles, and the only segments from that book that I saw on the show as a kid are "Ernie and Bert: Before and After" and "Ernie and Bert: Jellybeans". I remember thinking it was cool that those segments were on the show, but hadn't really wondered if the others were on the show or why the book would only contain a few things from the show.

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