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State of the Muppets - An Opinion

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Frogster, Aug 11, 2008.

  1. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Active Member

    I feel as a fan, I should be doing more myself personally to help promote the Muppets, especially with all the new stuff coming about. I wish I could be more a part of it, you know?
  2. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    I know what you mean. We all probably wish we could do our part.
  3. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    I'll be happy to help them out! Hopefully, they need to hire some more puppeteers for something. Anything. :)

    Seriously, though, if they make it I'll buy it. If they produce it, I'll read/watch/listen. I love The Muppets and want to see more of them everywhere!
  4. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Don't we all? XD
  5. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Yes! :wisdom:
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think now is the best time to be a Muppet fan.

    Disney's efforts have been half-hearted at best in the past. They barely promoted Muppet Treasure Island when that came out. Muppets Tonight got buried beneath the kiddie TGIF Urkel fodder on ABC. Many fans didn't even know it was ever on until they burned off remaining episodes on the Disney Channel. Some still aren't aware it ever existed. Then after buying the Muppets from Henson Co, Disney reportedly cut the budget and tinkered with the Muppets Wizard of Oz and launched a website that stuck the characters in a vacant theme park. They launched then cut Kermit's world tour. They also released crummier DVDs of preexisting Muppet films under the "anniversary" guise.

    But all that has changed.

    Disney is now invested in the Muppets' success. Studio DC wasn't my taste, but it was in no way embarrassing like what happened to (the non-Disney) Muppets From Space. I remember Eisner remarking on Larry King many years ago that the Muppets were a still viable, but mismanaged property. Yes, in many ways that man was awful, but in that instance he was correct. The Muppets haven't had a real solid plan that made any business sense. This does.

    This new effort isn't a rehash, a make-over, exploitation or half-hearted attempt. We are witnessing a layered foundation being built for the Muppets. Everyone can enjoy the web antics of the Muppets. It relies on the classic tradition of the Muppets. They showed up to greet tweens on the Disney Channel and had a few good moments (Kermit's dancing, Piggy's hotel diva scene etc). They're getting new specials, books, comics and likely more fantastic Muppet Show DVD sets - all leading to the film firmly slated for 2010.

    Disney is not only allowing the Muppets to be the Muppets, they are trying to get all eyes on them! That's big. I might not be completely pleased with the look of some of the puppets or products, but I am thrilled with Disney at the moment.
  7. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    One can only hope this all works, frogboy.
  8. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    *seems to be the only one in the world that didn't hate Muppets in Space or Swamp Years and thought they were ten times better than OZ* :(
  9. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Well, I thought Muppets from Space was ok (I liked it a lot more before I heard how they changed it from Jerry Juhl's original script... which would have been so much better), and I liked Kermit's Swamp Years, with the exception of the bad guy, who was just too over-the-top. I liked Muppets Wizard of Oz, too... it had it's problems, but it wasn't bad.
  10. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Well, it seems people were upset to know that Gonzo was an weird alien whatever that's part of an entire race of beings instead of being one-of-a-kind. The thing is...to fans, Gonzo still is one-of-a-kind, because he's the only alien whatever in his entire family to be a daredevil stuntman, and on top of that, The Muppet Movie--that started it all--alluded to Gonzo's spacey & out-there origin (see "I'm Going to Go Back There Sunday").
  11. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    It only told me what I already thought..I always thought he was from outer space to began with, so it didn't upset me :concern:
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    From a technical standpoint Muppets from Space was the worst reviewed and poorest box office performing film of the franchise. It also cost twice as much as Muppet Christmas Carol, yet had no original music. The tug-of-war between the studio and the writers killed it. I actually cried in the theater because it was so dreadfully bad I believed it had the ability to kill the Muppet brand. It did harm it – a lot!

    Fortunately many younger fans saw enough spark in it. That push helped the film gain some status on the home video market. It plays a lot better on the smaller screen. Portions of that film and the characters solidified with younger viewers and I recognize that film is responsible for some of today’s fans.

    The puppets and musical numbers were pretty good in Swamp Years, but the human actors and writing never really transcend kid-vid quality. I don’t think Sesame Workshop would have run with such a rather juvenile script. Jim Henson himself cancelled the much more developed and witty Little Muppet Monsters program after only three episodes. I can’t see how he would have approved the outcome of KSY.

    Oz didn’t quite get things right either, but there was enough layered humor to keep me interested. The Muppet projects used to have something in them for everyone. I missed that until recently. That's what makes me so froggin' excited. :)
  13. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Can I just say one thing, that hasn't been said for a while, but totally should be...

    Well, I hardly need permission...I'm gunna do it anyway :p

    "Go Muppets!"
  14. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    "Go Muppets" indeed.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :) Go...er...um...STAY Muppets! Oh, whatever. I likes my Muppets. :halo:
  16. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    *laughs!* "Go Go Gadget-Muppets!"
  17. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I only saw it on video not at the movies and well..with movies I've always had a soft spot for origin movies. I can forgive just about anything as long as I feel the story shows something new about the characters past and adds to them in some way:). I think this is because I have a writing mind and like to put these little details into the bigger picture, while not taking in any of the parts that are bad and making a richer overall picture about them in my mind.

    With OZ there is really nothing I could take from it, as they were playing characters, not themselves. Treasure Island I like a bit, because while they were playing characters, they were themselves playing characters..I'm not sure how to put it into words :p. That's why of all the storybook movies Treasure Island, and Frog Prince are my favorites...
  18. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Active Member

    Okay, well I'm definitely in the minority myself because I really liked MFS and really disliked MTI, MCC and MWoO and I really disliked IAVMMCM, and I like to think I'm a pretty fair guy. Many a time I've go into something with low expectations and been wonderfully surprised just as I've been very excited to experience something and been tremendously disappointed, so it's not like I always just go with the flow. I did not enjoy KSY, but I appreciated it for what it was and I was touched by the Jim tribute.

    Bottom line, while I do take everyone's opinion here at MC to heart (and in some cases, even use it to help me decide), I know what I like and what I don't. For a while after Jim's death, I was really upset with the direction the Muppets were going, but it's hard to separate my feelings between actual dislike and disbelief that Jim was gone. However, I am now starting to get excited again with what the Muppets are doing, maybe even more accepting simply because it's what Jim would probably want, but while I may not be quite as enthusiastic as others on the board, I am optimistic.

    Speaking about making up my mind and swaying opinion: how as fans do you feel about Iger vs. Eisner? I ask because I'm not sure how I feel. My thoughts are that, while Eisner was no saint, he was very involved with the Muppets and supportive as well. However, this was during a time where I wasn't fond of the Muppets performances. Then Iger comes in and does some serious cleaning with the Muppets staff and almost completely ignores them to devote his time to the Pixar acquisition. Of course now the Muppets are starting to make quite the comeback. Thoughts?
  19. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Argh, IAVMMCM was the one that scarred me inside:cry:. MWOO at least I could just forget about, but IAVMMCM took out my heart and stomped on it on a deeper level..I can't even say why...

    I'm optimistic about new things, I just don't think the new things we seen so far are just right yet..they're okay, but they're missing..something:search:

    And I don't think the "you're for everything or against everything" feeling is exactly very fair with the old vs. new muppet movies and shows, we're all fans, it shouldn't mean one type of fan is better than another..We all love them, don't we:excited:?
  20. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Yes we do.


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