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Steve Whitmire has left the Muppets, Matt Vogel to continue as Kermit

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GonzoMan, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    In the Whitmire part of the interview he makes it seem like only Whitmire can play Kermit like you can never recast the role. that to me is arrogant and I totally disagree the real Kermit is JIM HENSON!
     
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  2. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    totally agree, parts will be recast for whatever reason, death, Firing or what ever doesn't mean we stop being fans.
     
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  3. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    They are usually posted anywhere between 12:00 and 3:00, so I'd give it a couple hours before we worry about it being postponed
     
  4. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Certainly Jim originated the character, and he's one of the people all future performers will draw inspiration from, but I don't think there's any one definitive Kermit, or Miss Piggy, or Dr. Teeth. The REAL Kermit is whoever is playing him at that time. If it was just one person's character, the character wouldn't grow and just become a stale impression of the previous performer.
     
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  5. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Either way what I got from the video is we possibly have some new Muppet Projects on the way.. in the video Steve said they just had a conference call with all the puppeteers and them saying they all need to rest up for all the work they have coming up. So that's good
     
  6. Writersright

    Writersright Active Member

    Another interesting thing is that Disney offered him 'consolation prizes' like a Disney Legend award if he signed an NDA. (On a side note, this year's Disney Legends are a joke when you consider the 'Disney' part of it.)

    Now, to your point...I think legacy Muppets are very hard to shape since the Muppets are part of the Muppeteer's own personality. Grover, Piggy and Fozzy are not just characters, they're part of Frank Oz.

    Now when a performer 'inherits' a character, they can't 100% duplicate the character because they're obviously not the same person as the original performer. The character will then mostly be like it was with the original performer mixed with the style of the new performer. This way we have characters like the Jim-Kermit, Steve-Kermit, Frank-Grover & Eric-Grover. Honoring the characters and original performer as much as possible but adding a bit of the new performer to fill in "the gaps".

    That being said, the roles can of course be recast but recasting does change the characters a bit so it's something that needs to be done as few as possible with the 'main' Muppets.

    Steve isn't Kermit, but he's a big part of the current Kermit and a part of the current Kermit is Steve.
     
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  7. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I can't wait! :excited: Whatever it is, i'm starving for anything more than the Thought of the Week videos.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2017
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  8. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    i fault who ever had the idea of having writers, who didn't really have any knowledge of the Muppet characters or their personalities, write scripts that caused the characters to seem out of character.
     
  9. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    Now I'm lost, I thought Steve was fired
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's exactly what I've been saying for years.
     
  11. Writersright

    Writersright Active Member

    Another thing is that I dislike how much different roles each performer....well performs. It causes a lot of characters to float around without a performer around. Look at Steve...we finally got a great Link Hogthrob after about 20 years and he will have to be recast again...if he will be recast at all.

    Older Muppet fans will remember how long Scooter and Rowlf have been relegated to cameo status after Jim Henson and Richard Hunt passed away. The troupe of performers we have now is extremely talented but think of the gaps we get when Bill Baretta or Matt Vogel quits or somehow aren't able to perform anymore.
     
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  12. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    It's half past 6 here and I'm still waiting
     
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  13. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    He just said before they told him the news 9 months ago, that's what happened is they had a call talking about all the work they were gonna do.
     
  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well I think Muppet Studios and Sesame both learned from these lessons.
    Take the Kevin Clash issue, and look how quickly and almost flawlessly Ryan Dillon took over for Elmo. That's the reason they now have understudis in case something frog frobid dose happen.
     
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  15. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but luckily they still have a lot of guys they can call on when they need extra performers.
    What bothers me is the fact that, during the Muppet Show they came up with new characters every year. Even some from specials like Bean Bunny, or guys from JHH and Muppets Tonight have stuck around. And the performers were encouraged to keep coming up with new characters. But now, because the cast is so huge there's no room for the performers to really stretch their skills and experiment. All they can do is take on other people's characters.
     
  16. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    and if anything, they should have fired the writers, and bring in some, who have knowledge on the Muppet characters, instead of blaming and firing Steve, for making Kermit seem bittier and depressed, and angry, they should have blamed the writers.
     
  17. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    Of course...the first time I actually care about a thought of the week video and they delay it :p
     
  18. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Wait, is it officially delayed again?
     
  19. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    Not offically, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me the way that the news is blowing up.
     
  20. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    I don't know about them being a Joke this year, meaning the legends awards, Mark Hamill and Whoopi Goldberg are deserving!

    But People die, Get Fired, Get Sick Move on, Recasting does and will happen Its sad but not the end of the world. There were fans who weren't happy with Whitmire's Kermit at first. His first few movies If you notice and TV shows Kermits Lines were limited because he didn't have his voice and Character down pat yet. So to say Whitmire was always or Is Kermit is just not True Jim Henson Is the real Kermit the others just follow In his footsteps. I have said this before, If Disney considered Firing All the Muppets Muppeteer's like Comedy Central was considering with Futurama's voice then I might consider walking away from the Fandom but thankfully that Is not the case!
     
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