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Steve Whitmire has left the Muppets, Matt Vogel to continue as Kermit

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GonzoMan, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    So, I am thinking it is something along the lines of a pay issue or disagreement in the way the Muppets are heading??
  2. FletchySRF3088

    FletchySRF3088 Well-Known Member

    I've still been trying to deal with the sadness and shock I've felt since yesterday. Earlier today, an idea came to me. I've been trying to get back into writing and recently started a blog. I thought a good way to deal with this sadness and to lead up to the debut of Matt Vogel's Kermit in less than a week would be to make a post each day celebrating highlights from all the work Steve's given us over the years. Considering his amazing singing talent, I feel the highlights coming up will (mostly) be musical and have decided to call it "Steve Whitmire's Greatest Hits" - admittedly, not a very catchy title but the best I could come up. Every moment may not necessarily be musical though. The thing that always stuck out to me with Steve's performances (especially with Kermit) would be the mannerisms and movements he give to makes us believe his characters were alive. His skills as a puppeteer and actor always shone bright the most to me. So I thought I'd also pick out moments that really showcase that, too.

    My writing skills in this post probably leave a little to be desired but I'm still trying to get back into the swing of it, and I started this just before leaving to work and finished it after coming back from work. Hopefully I'll get better with each post and finally figure out the words I want to say in a more eloquent and articulate fashion.
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  3. RowlfFan12

    RowlfFan12 Active Member

    This has made me pretty sad, too. I grew up with Steve's Kermit, as well as Rizzo the Rat and Bean Bunny, as well as all his other characters he performed. I especially grew up with him performing Ernie. Not sure if I mentioned before, but I was slowly introduced to Sesame Street through Play with Me Sesame, and I enjoyed watching the scenes with him in them. I love the combination of Gonzo and Rizzo, and Steve played off of Dave very well. All the best to Steve.
    And also, I look forward to hearing Matt as Kermit. I'm sure he'll be great!
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    With so many people saying Steve's Kermit and Ernie are the ones they grew up with, I grew up with an interesting combination of both his and Jim's versions.

    I was born a year before Jim died, so Steve was already performing the characters by the time I would be old enough to remember, well, anything. That being said, however, as a tot, I already been seein Jim's versions of the characters through home video: I had a number of My Sesame Street Home Video tapes with clips and inserts of Jim's Ernie and Kermit, not to mention we had movies like TMM, GMC, MTM, and FTB on VHS, so I was very well familiar with Jim's Kermit and Ernie when I was a little kid . . . I don't think I even knew that Jim was dead or that Ernie and/or Kermit had been recast until MTI came out in theaters, but I guess I didn't think much of it because I don't remember Steve's Kermit phasing me when I saw MTI - I guess because at that age, I already knew how to accept such things: when SPACE JAM came out, I was aware that Mel Blanc was dead, and therefore, the Looney Tunes would have different voices, so yeah.

    Not to mention, I think we all here know all too well that while the Muppet characters may go on forever, their performers don't, and we just have to accept it when they get new performers: they may not sound or act exactly the same, but if they did, that would be nothing more than an imitation, and the performers need time to bring something from themselves into the characters, like Steve did with Kermit and Ernie; they're not Jim's Kermit and Ernie, but that doesn't make them better or worse, just different. Same with Eric doing Frank's characters, or Matt doing Jerry's characters, or David doing Richard's characters - we all have to make adjustments, but as long as people are willing to keep these characters alive, that's what's really important.

    Having said that, until we hear something else otherwise, my conclusions about this are that either Disney fired Steve for butting heads with them to much, or Steve left the Muppets for similar reasons Joey left SST.
  5. GonzoMan

    GonzoMan Active Member

    Well, it's good to know Steve will still be active. What will he be doing?
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  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Help building Tump's wall?
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think that means that, if we were to contact Whitmire or Disney and they didn't want to reveal the reason, we should respect their wishes (especially Whitmire's). Or maybe we should just not worry about the reason for retirement and, if we were to contact Whitmire, to not ask.
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  8. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    Hey, you can't use the same joke twice!:fanatic:;):D
  9. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I'd assume the 2nd one but that's just my speculation or opinion possibly like Joey from SS did
  10. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Don't mean to double post but that brings up another question for another thread...what direction are The Muppets even heading? Other then the Hollywood bowl but yeah like I said another thread.

    Either way The Muppets will go on and exist in our world.
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  11. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    You know, it's kind of ironic. Earlier this year I was actually going to start an April Fools thread stating that Steve was leaving the Muppets to start a polka group with Louise Gold.
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  12. ConsummateVs

    ConsummateVs Well-Known Member

    Wow, that’s crazy! I guess you somewhat predicted the future, minus the whole polka thing.
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  13. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member


    That's most likely Peter.
  14. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Okay. I take it this isn't the "Muppets Party Cruise" game I have. I'll have to check that out when I get a chance. Yes, :) has had alternate performers for a time during the Steve Whitmire era, most famous being Artie Esposito, but John Kennedy also performed him in "Muppets Ahoy!" Maybe this one is from around that time. Just something to think about.

    Ahhhhh. So it's your fault. You jinxed us. :) JK!
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2017
  15. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Actually, Steve later re-recorded those lines.
  16. HJL1

    HJL1 Member

    I think Peter Linz will likely receive Robin from Matt Vogel's roster and do Big Bird more frequently as Matt will be busy with Kermit.

    Peter will also get Statler added to his roster and Beaker could go to David Rudman (Hunt character). I am not sure about Rizzo. I don't see him getting retired. Link hasn't been seen for a while so his replacement won't be crucial. The same goes for Newsman. What does everyone else think?
  17. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I think David Rudman could pull off a Rizzo voice.
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  18. HJL1

    HJL1 Member

    He very well could. I wonder if Matt's sesame characters will be pushed to the back burner after the transition ?
  19. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    It's from 2012.
  20. Randall Flagg

    Randall Flagg Well-Known Member

    I'm really curious to hear how Matt's Kermit will sound and act.

    To be honest, I never quite got used to Steve's Kermit (and yes, I know that's insane, considering how long he's been doing it.) It wasn't just the voice, there was something about the personality that felt a bit different to me from Henson's Kermit. I'm not saying it was better or worse (I think people's preferences largely depend on which one they grew up with), it was just different, and I suspect Matt's interpretation of the character will have it's own unique qualities, too.
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