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The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Thread!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Jan 8, 2010.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Currently watching Snoopy Come Home on ABC Family, and just started wondering, was the scene where Charlie Brown tells Linus about how he first got Snoopy based on an existing strip? The same basic scene appears in Life's a Circus, Charlie Brown as well, so I'm willing to bet it is.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm not entirely sure, but I do believe in some cases, not all obviously, but some, the plots and premses used for like some ofthe movies, specials, shorts from the series and such were adapted from the strips.

    I too was watching yesterday, and I was reminded of how much I love the Peanuts movies because Charles Schulz never tried to outdo himself or his art in them: so many animated movies that are based on smaller projects always try to outdo themselves and make them look so much bigger and better than what they were before, but the Peanuts movies have the exact same quality (animation-wise, story-wise, character-wise, etc) as the specials... it's almost like watching extended specials the quality is so identical, even down to the closing credits where people are credited for "Graphic Blandishment" instead of "Animation".
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I feel like A Boy Named Charlie Brown (and maybe Snoopy Come Home) gave a little bit more effort. ABNCB seems to be very artsy, has a number of cool split-screen scenes, has that cool piano piece from Schroeder, and has the amazing skating scene with Snoopy.

    Paw Dugam recently reviewed Snoopy Come Home as part of Music Movies at http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/paw/music-movies/33364-snoopy-come-home and mentioned that the movie was an experiment to make it more like Disney, by having the music done by the Sherman Brothers instead of Vince Gualdi and including singing from a few people who've sung in Disney productions. And I like the first two better than the later movies, which weren't musical and didn't have the same cool credits sequences as the first two (though it seems the movies included images of almost the entire staff in the credits).

    Man, there's been behind-the-scenes books on A Charlie Brown Christmas and It's The Great Pumpkin, I wish the movies would get behind-the-scenes books.

    I was watching A Charlie Brown Christmas, and I just now noticed that we never see how the Christmas play turns out or even see them rehearsing scenes. We'll never know if Charlie Brown was a good director!
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was watching Be My Valentines, Charlie Brown this morning, and does anyone else think the ending with the girls giving Charlie Brown a late valentine is a little awkward?

    In the scene, Violet, Lucy, Sally, and Frieda all give Charlie Brown a valentine, but Violet is the only one talking in the scene, and when Schroeder goes off at them, it looks like he's only directly talking to Violet. He points at Violet, Violet makes some facial reactions, and the others don't seem to react (they just seem to be there). I know it's based on a strip where only Violet gave Charlie Brown a late card, and it seems to be better that others are there (though I would have put in Patty instead of Sally), but it's still kind of odd.

    It's also interesting that Violet is the one to do the talking. She was one of the meaner girls to Charlie Brown, and I don't think she was in the strip as much at that point (or was she?). And it is interesting how she seemed to have a big part in that special, interacting with Linus a few times about what to give a male teacher, and being concerned about whether Charlie Brown got a valentine. But it somehow seems it'd be better if Lucy was given the "Violet" role in that end scene, even though she was known to be meaner (or perhaps Pepperment Patty could have been the one to present a valentine).
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    You can't always dissect animation too much because sometimes it's just a matter of they didn't draw reactions for them because they were on a budget. ;)

    Btw I LOVE how Schroeder puts Violet in her place. :)
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Violet is WORSE than Lucy. She's that stuck up girl that REALLY REALLY hates Charlie Brown for no good reason. She's the one that uninvited Charlie Brown to the Halloween party. I mean, at least with Lucy, you can blame her anger and bossiness on some passive aggressive angst of not being able to get Shroeder... but Violet is just stuck up and mean outright, and I blame her (and Lucy, but mostly her) for why Charlie Brown's the pariah of the group. I shouldn't take it personally, but I was in a LOT of those situations.

    That's why I like Peppermint Patty and Marcie. They clearly really like ol' Chuck on some level... sure, Patty's very aggressive and makes Chuck do things he doesn't want to... Marcie's relationship with Charlie is subtle, but there... like I always say, if you know where to look and look closely, you can see they're all but throwing themselves at him. I kinda like the Snoop Musical where PP sings Poor, Sweet Baby to him, and says, "It's not gonna happen" at the end. To me, that suggests either "You're never going to find someone like that, but I'm here" or "I love yah, but I'm no softy."

    That said, I've started checking out the Kaboom series (though I don't think I'll kill myself to get it month after month like I do with some of my others), and it's pretty solid... but it seems to be pretty 60's retro. I've noticed a lot of new Snoopy and Peanuts merchandise to have that overall 1960's look to it. I really hope they start adding Peppermint Patty and Marcie to those stories. Chuck, Linus, and the two of them are my favorite humans.

    And where's the love for Spike?
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I thought I read somewhere (and can't remember if it was a fan site or something said/written by Charles Schultz) that one reason Violet and Patty were written out was because they were doing things to Charlie Brown that Lucy could do on her own. I thought Lucy was meaner because of that.

    I noticed an animation mistake at the end of Be My Valentine. After Charlie Brown takes his valentine card out of Violet's hand, another one is shown in the same hand. And I thought it was made clear that they only gave Charlie Brown one used valentine.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, like I said, with Lucy, she's got problems and she's nasty to everyone BUT Schroeder. Violet and Patty were just stuck up and trying hard to pull everyone apart by forming cliques. Plus, there's that total turn around where she becomes the inept comic relief on Charlie Brown's baseball team. Nice to see a role reversal, and having Charlie in the bossy role in those strips/cartoons.

    Yeah, Lucy can do all those things those two did on their own, but in her own special way.
  9. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

    I, too, am a fan of the Peanuts cartoons, but it wasn't until as recently as a few years ago that I got hooked on it again; until that point, I had not seen any of the animated specials and films since my early childhood (the ones I remember specifically are A Boy Named Charlie Brown, Snoopy Come Home, and You're a Good Sport, Charlie Brown), and had no access to the comic strips. At that point, I could only name about 4 characters who weren't Snoopy or Woodstock. It wasn't until one night after a long day of work that I sat down to browse Youtube that I stumbled upon a clip of Snoopy laughing in the library (from Snoopy Come Home), and my reaction was that it felt like something got to me.........eventually I started looking at the other animated specials that were uploaded, and browsing the comic strips online and reading about Schulz and what he's done, that I felt a reconnection, it got to the point where I wanted to hug Snoopy so bad. In fact, I kicked myself for not noticing the Peanuts characters much during my last trip to Universal Studios Japan in 2005, but that's because Youtube didn't even exist yet.

    Snoopy's my favorite character of all the characters in the Peanuts cartoons. Something about that dog - it's either his laugh, the way he dances, his eccentric personality, or all of the above. And maybe because I happen to be a dog lover as well.

    I'm listening to The Royal Guardsmen's album "Snoopy and His Friends" on my Itunes right now.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Eh,... I think Boom's Peanuts comics are over. That's a shame.

    And they JUST got Peppermint Patty into a storyline too.
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was just thinking about the ending to Snoopy Come Home, where once Snoopy comes home and everyone is happy, Snoopy decides he wants back everything he gave away (I wonder if he gave those orders to the charities he gave things to), his letter to Charlie Brown telling him that since he gave Charlie Brown nothing CB owes him nothing. For some reason that sounds like an insult, but then again he doesn't owe anything, so he shouldn't be so mad (maybe because the others blamed him... But Snoopy only gave things away to Schroeder and Linus).

    I recently found out that Warner Archives recently released the complete Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show on DVD. I'm surprised that it had to be part of Warner Archives. I feel it could have done well at regular retail (I feel a "1980s specials collection" or a "1990s collection" would have been better for Warner Archives).
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well it is a bit of an insult in that it's wrong in the first place for Snoopy to ask for any of these gifts back and he's basically acting all snooty saying "Oh it's OK, you owe me nothing!" Lol
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One thing that's odd: Lucy and Sally were there at the time, and Snoopy didn't give them papers telling them they owe him nothing. Just Charlie Brown. Perhaps Snoopy ran out of blank paper (though he was able to type the credits...).
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well it wouldn't be as funny if it was Lucy or Sally, lol.
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about the various pre-Paramount Home Video releases of Peanuts specials. There is a great Peanuts animation guide which mentions video releases but doesn't seem to talk much about the VHS releases from before the Paramount days (though I'v found that the Peanuts Wiki has information on various video companies). It's interesting how most of the companies that held the video rights would release two specials on one VHS as well as single-special videos (I also recall a three-special release at the video store, containing It's the Great Pumpkin, What a Nightmare, and It Was a Short Summer).

    There was a old release of It Was a Short Summer, Charlie Brown that depicted them at the beach on the packaging, even though the special was about them going to camp (though they did swim in one scene). And I saw this video packaging before I knew any details, and became confused when I first read about it taking place at camp.

    And an older VHS release of You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown had the original poster image on the cover, which means that Patty was part of the group shot even though she's not in the special at all. In fact, it's said that Sally replaced Patty in the special and later performances of the musical because fans aren't as familiar with Patty anymore... But she's in quite a bit of A Charlie Brown Christmas, one of the most broadcast Christmas specials of all-time. Fans should be more aware of her because of this.

    I've always noticed that the cover of Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown has seven of the eight main characters in the raft, though one of the visible characters is looking up. I often wonder which one that is... Sally or Marcie? And I guess the other one isn't actually missing, she could very well just be behind one of the other characters and out-of-view.

    I also recently saw an old VHS cover of Play It Again, Charlie Brown, and noticed that Schroeder isn't on that cover. And he was a big part of that special. I wonder why he was left out.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Anyone notice how some of the animated Peanuts shows seem to have random characters who resemble regular characters?

    Like in A Boy Named Charlie Brown, one of the kids in the spelling bee championship (in fact the one who ends up winning) looks just like Schroeder.

    And in It's Flashbeagle, Charlie Brown, when Snoopy and Franklin go to the disco, there's another kid who looks exactly like Franklin.

    Something else I noticed recently: In A Boy Named Charlie Brown, when Charlie Brown loses Linus blanket, he doesn't seem to feel too guilty about losing Linus's blanket (well, most of the other characters don't really care about the blanket), or concerned about upsetting his best friend. What's up with that?
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Charlie Brown's a little out of it at that point. Notice how he randomly spells out words during conversations. He's clearly been studying hard and is slightly sleep deprived, lol.
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  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Is it just me, or did the Peanuts specials become more "kiddie" in the 1990s? I haven't seen any of the '90s specials in years, but I remember "It's Spring Training, Charlie Brown" being a bit more juvenile (especially with that one song), while I haven't seen it It's My Best Birthday Ever, Charlie Brown seems like a more childish-special, and after watching the TV Trash review of You're in the Super Bowl, Charlie Brown, I can't really determine the childish level of the special. It's the Pied Piper, Charlie Brown also feels like it's for little kids, as opposed to kids and adults.

    For awhile, I've felt that the specials made after Schultz's death weren't too good, and those were based entirely on actual strips Schultz wrote and drew. During Charles Schultz' lifetime he did similar specials (A Charlie Brown Celebration, It's an Adventure Charlie Brown, and most of The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show) and I never saw those as bad (though I feel most of the Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show segments that were NOT based on existing strips - I assume "Snoopy's Robot" and "Giant" were original stories - were not very good). But thinking about it, it seems like the animation in the 2000s specials wasn't that good, while the animation in the earlier specials based on strips was a lot better.
  19. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Well-Known Member

    The Peanuts specials of the 90s were not quite as sharp as the previous ones, save perhaps for "Why, Charlie Brown, Why?"

    "Pied Piper" is my least favorite of the Peanuts specials I've seen, and having seen a lot of them, in my opinion it's the most poorly animated one of the bunch. However, it's interesting to note because it's one of the few Peanuts specials to include on-screen adult characters who don't speak in Guaraldi trombone, as well as one of the earliest to use digital animation as opposed to analog animation.
  20. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    That latest one, Happiness is a Warm Blanket, sounds pretty good. I mean, it was written by the creator of Pearls Before Swine, and it uniquely uses the art style of the early '60s strips.

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