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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by BlueFrackle, Feb 3, 2003.
Will the real Fat Blue Freddie Johnson please stand up?
Hot Tub Sarah,
The eyes were on through the take and the break.
hmm so are the eyes a plastic? that's pretty much what they would have to be to melt in that amount of time. or a rubber maybe.....i don't know i think i am thinking wayyy to much about eyes.....
I would think they are thin plastic, Because of weight and so that the light can shine through.
Movin' and Groovin' !
you're probably right! sometimes i need to think things over before I ask!
Question for Twiddlebug
I was wondering, do you mind if we ask you questions here? Would it be all right if one of us started a threat to chew the fat with ya? I have a couple of questions I was wondering if you could answer:
1) Who are some stars who you wished could've done The Muppet Show? Did you know of any who wanted to do the show but for whatever reason were never able to? (Elliott Gould springs to mind here, with his two movie cameos)
2) As you know, Muppet fans know a lot about the performers, but there are still some who are lesser-known: John Lovelady (never even seen a picture of this guy), Eren Ozker, Peter Friedman, Betsy Baytos, and Brian Muehl. I was wondering if you could share some of your memories of these colleagues of yours.
Thanks much. Take care and God bless.
David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole
I think that i may have a picture of Peter Friedman or John Lovelady, The only thing is i dont know for sure...
Take a look and see -
I also added the Top of The Pops Screen Grabs to the 'Halfway Down the Stairs' page -
Some Guests I would like to have seen on TMS.
The Beatles come immediatly to mind. There were some talks with Paul or at least his Representative but his condition ( as I understand it ) was Wings and Linda had to appear also which our budget could not handle.George or Ringo wanted to do it, I was told, but for some reason they didn't. I think whomever was negotiating for Muppets didn't want to compromise the deal they were talking with Paul. I also always thought Soupy Sales would have been good.As it was, so many of my favorite stars were on the show, I didn't really have time to regret anyone not included.
The picture BlueFrackle posted about is indeed John Lovelady, who I'm told has his own company on the West Coast.
Eren Osker was also an actress and I'm sad to say the world lost her to cancer some years ago.
I don't know anything about Peter Freidman other than he was more an actor than puppeteer.
Brian Muehl is a writer and I guess he is doing ok with that.Marty Robinson would know more about him and what he is doing now.
Betsy Baytos was only hired for several shows as a specialty dancer.Before coming to Muppets Betsy had been in "This Was Burlesque" and while with us she helped put together a Burlesque show that some of our company performed at a club in London.Richard Hunt was the Interlocuter and introduced the acts which were done by Betsy Baytos, Steve Whitmire, Kathy Mullin, Chris Langham, Louise Gold and myself. I think there were a couple of other people as well, oh yes and Jim Henson played the drums , punctuating the jokes with rim-shots. A great time was had by all.
Speaking of TMS, may I ask while you were making the show was there any scenes cut out of the episodes?
I made a thread about it some time ago.
Wow, thanks for answering my questions! Quick supplemental:
Re: guest stars- were there any stars you worked with on the movies who wanted to do the show that you know of? The stars who cameoed in the movies but weren't on the show were the following (hope I can remember the list in it's entirety): Elliott Gould, Carol Kane, Telly Savalas, Orson Welles, Charles Durning, Robert Morley, Peter Falk (strangely uncredited in the movie), Jack Warden, Gregory Hines, Joan Rivers, Dabney Coleman, and Art Carney. Speaking of Art Carney, he worked with you guys in the Great Santa Claus Switch as well (he'd have been the only Best Actor Oscar winner on TMS had he guested on it). And of course Lily Tomlin was in the Muppets go to the Movies and Dick Van Dyke and Johnny Mathis took part in the party The Muppets Go Hollywood.
Okay, so the short question got a little long. Boils down to this: did any stars you worked with in other projects ever express interest in being on the show but never made it onto the show?
What were these rumors about a new children's show called "Uncle Deadly's House of Weirdness"? The rumor came out a year or two ago but so far obviously nothing has materialized. Can you shed any light on whether or not the project in development even exists? If so, this is wonderful news, as Uncle Deadly is a cult favorite with us Muppet fans and if brought back could probably gain a large following. He was such a cool character. I wish he had been kept on; he disappeared halfway through the 3rd season of TMS.
One other quick question- ever read any fan fiction on the forum or the site? (Most of it's on the forum). For fun some of us write outlines of Muppet Shows that never were; TravellingMatt, another member of the Michigan contingent, has written the most by far. Nobody has written a Soupy Sales outline, but there was a Paul McCartney one a while ago. Sometimes they're a bit anachronisitc as fans like to incorporate newer characters in, and Matt in particular likes having the Fraggles drop in on the Muppet theater (though he has yet to use my suggestion of having Traveling Matt exploring it )
Hope all is well. Take care.
David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole
Well, since we're probing you endlessly, ever read www.toughpigs.com ?
The Grover/popcorn episode aired the other day, and waiting for your cameo almost made me late for work. Funny, funny!
Soupy and Fozzie? I can see that, although I must admit I have never seen anything of Soupy's. What about Red Skelton? I think he would've been a natural fit (hopefully he will be in the outline I'm working on).
Ever read any of the fan fiction here?
David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole
I'm still curious why Fozzie didn't get more 'stage time' on the show, except that maybe Gags Beasley was that bad of a joke writer and Fozzie just never had any material. Hmm...
Anyways, wondering if Statler and Waldorf will get to heckle him on stage again? Also, what about the band we've heard that our fave Nelson is in?
I'll be hosting a new official role play beginning in September if anybody *ahem* wants to join in!!
Welcome back to the forums, Twiddlebug (sorry I've been slow about keeping up in some of these areas).
That's very interesting. I had no idea you and your TMS colleagues had ever done any live Burleque/Cabaret type stuff together as a group.
I think you might also have solved a little mystery for me too. A little while ago, from a memorabilia dealer, I bought a programme for a 1980 revival of the musical Godspell (in Leatherhead), which numbered Louise Gold among its cast. In her resume (probably one of the first times she ever actually had a resume in a theatre programme) Miz Gold mentions that she had done some cabaret (and intended to do more), but she doesn't say what. (In subsequent resumes, from a few years later, she specifically refers to her work with the alturnative cabaret group Anna Rexic & The Compulsives). So now I'm wondering if perhaps this 1980 reference, is referring to your burlesque? what think you?
Now all I wonder is, when and where and how many performances? (I'm sure no one would remember anything like that though)
"That's so like a band"
Hey, did the question of the band that Jerry plays in ever get answered by anyone?
Umm, you mean "Komm zu mir", right? That means "Come to Me". I would LOVE to see that show.
I'd be interested to know more about the various international skits that were made for other countries. Anybody here have any other information on these?
Incidentally, I did a Google search for Mary Roos, and there's a photo of her with the TMS stars at her official Web site, www.mary-roos.de (under the 'biografie' page). The entire text is in German, and I was unable to get Google to translate it into English. Apparently she is a very popular singer in Germany who has achieved 'living legend' status over there.
Do you still have that clip of her appearance on the Web? I tried watching it but got a generic Angelfire page. I'd like to watch it sometime.
Just manually skimmed through the text, and it basically only says, that she was the only german celebrity to have appeared on TMS. Nothing else. Period.
I've seen this skit recently, and in her conversation with Rowlf it seems like Jim is speaking english to her (and then later re-dubbed by the german voice actor), and she replying back to him in german.
Wonder where this was taped, though... as well as the german "Die Muppet Show" intros. Did Jim and the gang travel to Germany for those things?
Those were flimed on the same set, at Elstree Studios in London.
You can view the Mary Roos appearance here. (right-click the link, choose 'save target' and play it from your computer)
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