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The most unbelievably awesome news ever... Ducktales

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Remember when we were all excited that WayForward had that deal to remake the Ducktales video game and got back as much of the surviving cast as possible?

    This is freaking better!

    Disney is going to make A FREAKING NEW DUCKTALES SERIES!!!!!!

    A FREAKING NEW DUCKTALES SERIES!!!! I... I can't believe it! I mean, sure, I'd rather see a new Darkwing but SQUEEEEEEEE!!!! New Ducktales!

    Considering the age of some of the actors, I hope they'll be able to come back and reprise their roles. If not, I hope they have some great recasts in there. I really liked Brian George's Flintheart and Eric Bauza's Fenton/Gizmoduck. I hope they keep them.
     
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  2. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    There's a lot of potential for this to adapt more stuff from the comics, especially characters from the comics that DuckTales never utilized. And no doubt Alan Young and June Foray will have re-cast roles considering their ages, which I won't mind as long as they get good replacements.

    But of course there will be nostalgia brats whining about how this show won't measure up because of this or that when it hasn't even premiered yet. For better or worse, this new series will at least keep the characters in the public eye.
     
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And hopefully they'll know that there are Scrooge comic purists that felt the same way. I remember reading one completely misguided letter in an old Ducktales comic (published when the show came out) condemning how they dare gave Scrooge McDuck a Scottish accent instead of the incoherent ducky voice Donald and the Nephews had in classic shorts... completely ignoring "Scrooge McDuck and Money," a 50's/60's era cartoon short where Scrooge had a Scottish accent. Decades before the show was even a thing. Not to mention the more coherent nephew voices. Even if you discount the proto-Scrooge like character that appeared in that WW II propaganda film about paying Taxes. Which, I'm still completely confused about. Was it just a weird coincidence, or was there basis in the creation of Scrooge by Carl Barks by that manifestation? Weird. Also, the character's named Scrooge McDuck. Why wouldn't he have a Scottish accent? If it was Scrooge VonDuck, he'd have a German one.

    The one thing I would say is that somehow I'd rather a pure Scrooge McDuck cartoon with Donald and the nephews, closer to the comics. As in no Duckworth, Mrs. Beakly, divergent character Beagle Boys, and Launchpad. Maybe even reestablish Flintheart as a South African businessman as Apartheid is over. But that's looking a gift horse in the mouth and being an ingrate. Plus, I'd miss old Launchpad and Fenton.
     
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  4. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see Gladstone Gander appear more often, too. He was greatly underused in DT, and was even a more sympathetic and likeable character than in the comics in the only episode which he starred in.
     
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Looks like here's our first big name whiner.

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/pipeline-augies-life-is-like-a-hurricane

    Really?!

    This sounds like yet another too darn old to be watching cartoons cartoon fan who wouldn't bother to give a show a chance if the producers themselves gave him a free trip to Hawaii, all expenses paid... and that means adult expenses to boot. Just a complete eye roll right there. And Kudos for him bringing up Tiny Toons (hated by animation fans in its day, mind you) and Batman TAS. Like those are totally original comparisons. I severely doubt a new DT show will look anything less than Gravity Falls in terms of quality. Yeah, revivals have sucked in the past. Except that both Tiny Toons and batman are friggin revivals. Oh, and I love the Quack Pack comparison. Really... just... this is the attitude of a schmuck on YT posting the same dittohead comments on an Animaniacs episode. Know why when you're of a certain age everything looks the same? Because that's nature's way of saying you're too freaking old. That's coming from someone over 20 years too old to collect Mixels, but does anyway.

    In this comic book obsessed culture, I don't see why a new series can't be better, clinging harder to those roots and giving us more deep, emotional adventures and less 1980's animation syndrome. The inconsistency of great episodes next to rushed out poorer ones. Not that Ducktales was a huge victim of this, but now that we've established more meaningful stories in animation, I'm sure we'd get nothing but quality storylines. I doubt we're going to get anything like a gag series. They're purposely catering to adult animation fans with kids of their own. To think they're going to do anything less than that is laughable This guy's as clueless as the guy whining about Scrooge's already established Scottish accent in that comic.

    It's a shame how underused the Duckiverse characters are in animation. Gladstone did make a small comeback in the form of an in game cinematic in Goin' Quackers...



    Of course, he's more jerky, and not voiced by Rob Paulsen here.

    Ducktales did give us a taste of that. Gyro, Flintheart, and Magica are all characters that were directly from the comics. The Beagles sorta, as they were divergent characters instead of the army of clones they were in the comics called by their license plate numbers. I'd really love for this new series to tap into more of that. Give Rockerduck as a second rival for Scrooge. Maybe have an episode about Donald becoming The Duck Avenger. Maybe a politically correct version of Bombi the Zombie.

    The Duckiverse needs to have an American Fanbase. The comic books can't keep drying up when a license runs out. Other countries have whole magazines devoted to Disney comics based on expanded universe versions of classic characters. We only know Scrooge from Ducktales.
     
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  6. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    And who's to say the new DT won't use hand-drawn animation? I'd say Disney's TV animation department has been better at providing that with its recent cartoon offerings like Phineas & Ferb, Gravity Falls, and The 7D, though Titmouse and Mercury Filmworks provide some darn good animation with their Flash/Toon Boom shows. Heck, I'm sure it would be less expensive compared to Star Wars Rebels.
     
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  7. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Waaaaaay back when, I watched the original cartoon when I came home from work in the afternoons. Actually, I started watching it after I got hooked on Darkwing Duck. Launchpad was my favorite character, and here he was in another show! And then I got hooked on the DuckTales adventures.

    Personally, the series I'd like most to see back on TV is DWD, However, DuckTales is the one that has the greatest chance of success, and I'll be rooting hard for it. If Disney keeps its focus and remembers the Barksian adventures that made it great, it has a real chance.

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  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly. It sounds like that person watched like 5 minutes of Wild Grinders at his nephew's house or something. I pick that one because it's the ugliest looking freaking thing on television. Even if Problem Solverz was still on. There is flat Flash animated stuff on television, it's just in a slim minority. Worst case scenario, Neo-Ducktales is animated like the Mickey Mouse shorts. Yeah. That's the worst case. I don't exactly see that, nor would I mind horribly, but I doubt Ducktales looks anything less impressive than Gravity Falls.

    I'd say my only complaint about cartoons today is the lack of action comedies outside of Disney's Marvel cartoons and maybe Rebels if you can count it as one. I blame CN for that, but things are getting better with Ninjago and RID. They just need to shake off some of the cheapness and introduce another DC hero series.

    Darkwing's always been one of my favorites period. Favorite Disney show? Favorite cartoon more like. It took me into adulthood to realize why Darkwing Duck is so great. An indecisive genre. Is it a spy show? Is it a Batman-esque comic book parody show? It's both and more. It manage to take down every trope of each, but managed to have a heart while doing it. I'm sure that could be tapped into again, but that indecisiveness was lightning in a bottle. I'd love to see DW back on television, but I agree, Ducktales has a more defined structure of treasure hunting adventures, and Scrooge dealing with balancing a family and career (just like Pinky said!). Plus, there's a lot of comic book history that can be tapped into. I would love to see them dig deeper into the comics mythos.

    That said, I'm wondering why if Ducktales Remastered was successful we haven't had another Disney/Capcom video game remake yet. Last thing they said was they were going to tackle Rescue Rangers, which is a far longer game than Ducktales. I kinda wish they went with the slightly shorter, more coherent storyline with Darkwing. Maybe add some extra levels with other villains that got passed up.
     
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  9. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Flash-animated stuff certainly is getting better, more so on the Internet. I'm sure the creators of the new DT will stick close to the Barks/Rosa style either way.

    Even if they stick closer to the comics, they should keep the canon foreigners everyone loves. :)

    I'd say Gargoyles was the finest in the Disney TV Animation catalog because of the deep, mature storylines and characterization, though The Goliath Chronicles kinda brought it down.
     
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  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Flash and Toon Boom are being used as tools. I'd say the frame rate of shows like Star Vs and Wander over Yonder are far higher than traditionally looking shows. That gives them a unique bounce and fluidity. That's not a bad thing at all. But it's shows like Wild Grinder (I have it out for that show for so many reasons, so I'm going to use it as a bad example) and even the newer episodes of Arthur that look really flat and creaky. Arthur is getting slightly better, but compared to Peg + Cat and Wild Kratts (also animated by the same company), it's just stiff.

    That said, I've seen a LOT of outsourced cel painted animated shows with really limited animation. And I'm talking the 80's and 90's when most of it was more fluid. Didn't ruin my enjoyment of the shows. Ducktales classic just had a high as heck budget. The Tokyo Movie animated ones managed to capture Bark's style better than the other ones which were more Western and cartoony looking. Somehow, I'd see if another animation studio did that certain episode, Scrooge's tantrum about sea monsters would have been bouncier and more exaggerated, but with a different look to it.

    I think there's room for both. Donald's clearly going to get the same backseat he did, freeing up Launchpad and Fenton to take his place as in the old series. It would be nice to see more comic book stories and characters (be they recurring or not) expanded into the series this time. I'd love to see a three way battle between Rockerduck, Glomgold and Scrooge. That would be interesting.[/QUOTE]
     
  11. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Ron Jones will be able to return as composer? I mean, he's not working on anything else other than Family Guy.
     
  12. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    You know, I have a feeling that Disney will go to Mercury Filmworks to produce the animation for the new DuckTales. And considering the amazing work they did on The Lion Guard toward making it look and feel just like the original movies, I know it would be in excellent hands. :)
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Even if the show can look as good as Phineas and Ferb or Gravity Falls, that would be a great thing. Though it would be cool if they got another Japanese animation firm to do it.
     
  14. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Disney has said that Darkwing Duck and Kim Possible could also be coming as well. I wouldn't mind Darkwing coming back,but frankly Kim Possible has run it's coarse. Kim Possible ended after season 3,got uncancelled and ended again after season 4. I really really hope that they don't do that one. Although,Disney seems to be doing just fine in the animation department,so I would much rather them just continue making original cartoons like "Gravity Falls" and "Star Vs The Forces of Evil" .
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Darkwing Duck is one of, if not my absolute favorite cartoons of all time. And that puts me in an awkward situation.

    I do not want to be the kind that worries about his favorite late childhood character getting a new series. I certainly don't want to be the "I don't think this is a good idea" type. Yet, I should be a lot more excited by this news. I kind of feel that, considering the fact the show was cut short and had some excellent concepts that were never finished, there is room for a lot more DW to explore those concepts. Problem is, the show's celebrating it's 25th (and yes, the realization of how old this show really is getting to me) anniversary this year. That clearly means that with the exception of those in their 30's, the main audience won't know what's going on, and therefore the show could just be a reboot completely instead of following that stuff up. No Zombie Robot Taurus Bulba, no advanced relationship with Morgana. Meanwhile, much as I love Ducktales, there's more room to start over with that one. They can certainly make it darker, closer to Barks' and Rosa's comics. Darkwing however....

    Let me compare it to another one of my favorite cartoons. Freakazoid. You know what made that show special? The fact that no one knew what the heck they were doing. The show was very close to being just a wisecracking hero in a Batman TAS type series. But Steven Spielberg wanted funny, so they basically scrambled around, hired a writer as the main character voice actor (and now he's a highly sought voice actor in his own right), and bumbled about writing the thing, and it turned into an inspired lightning in a bottle madness. You'll notice the second season has more story structure and actively tries to make the same wacky jokes that can only be made out of pure confusion. It's a good season, but it lost a little of the spontaneity.

    You know what makes Darkwing Duck a special series? They pitched a cartoon revival they made the mistake of thinking they owned the rights to (Rocky and Bullwinkle, Disney only had the video distribution rights), and when they realized they had nothing else, they dug up an episode of Ducktales, polished it off, and somehow stumbled upon a show that could not decide if it was a James Bond parody or a Batman pastiche. And because of that confused genre, we got a number of spy parody and superhero parody episodes. And they didn't need to balance that. One episode will have him working for SHUSH to fight Steelbeak, another he's a vigilante fighting Megavolt and Bushroot. You got a nice mix in the show already, but making him a single, adoptive father added a nice sitcom level to it, complete with wacky neighbor.

    So yeah. A cartoon about a spy slash vigilante slash sitcom father that never shied away from being as cartoony as possible. You have all these aspects of Darkwing's life colliding, and that's what made the show great. I have faith whoever works on this revival gets it, and manages to keep his crime fighting super spying in perfect tandem with dealing with a mischievous kid.
     
  16. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    So far, these are all just rumors and speculation. Disney should focus more on the original cartoons they already have for now.
     
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hope to hear of more original cartoons in the future that aren't preschool series (even though they are quite good). I'm disappointed in the lack of a merchandising push for any of these (the Gravity Falls toys are still impossible to find, and the show's an episode shy from being over), and I hope that isn't a major factor. We deserve a Wander plush toy.

    I hope Penn Zero and Star are indications of where Disney plans to take their next level of original animated programming. Pickle and Peanut seems to be way too post-post-post modern (though, I can't lie, it's the best show Noah Jones has done so far, though it's not saying much) and somehow an ill fit for Disney. On the other hand, I do give them credit for greenlighting something offbeat.

    I've been saying since the dreaded 2005 era that Disney swept all their animation under the rug for live action pop star soundtrack tie in type shows that Disney needed to step up their animated programming game. I really liked The Replacements and Emperor's new School, but you can tell they didn't care for the success of either. One being a show based on a movie they pretty much pretend didn't exist. Disney does seem to barely be warming up to the fact ENG has a sizable cult fanbase, but let's not forget the thing took a back seat in promotion and merchandise to the unwatchable 102 Dalmatians franchise film. And the choice was between that, a Robin Hood cartoon they couldn't re-purpose as a TV/EI rerun on ABC Kids to fulfill everyone's favorite media bill tack on, and a terrible hipped up Aristocats series. They basically threw away potential money by not making a POTC animated series (even though they had character designs and even toys with an animated series look to them).

    Then came an idea by two former Rocko's Modern Life writers that they've been trying to pitch since the 90's. Now, I don't know if the inclusion of HSM talent was what twisted their arms or not, but whatever happened, the show was a success, and I haven't seen a Disney cartoon TV show get that much of a merchandising push since The Disney Afternoon! Shame they treat it with the coldest of shoulders now that its over, but if it wasn't for the success of P&F, we wouldn't have Star, GF, or Penn. They need to keep that up.
     
  18. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    This is old news, but we officially won't be seeing any of the original voice cast return, according to Terry McGovern.

    http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/news/Ducktales-Cast-Not-Returning-for-Reboot/

    I'm not completely torn up by this news, as Alan Young and June Foray are in their 90s now (and the other VAs are quite aged as well), but hopefully this means they'll at least keep Tony Anselmo on as Donald for consistency's sake, if he ever makes appearances in the reboot. And hey, at least the surviving cast got to re-unite in Remastered. :)
     
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really don't get why they'd bother casting anyone else. Disney isn't really one to juggle the official voice actors the way Warner Bros does with Looney Tunes. If it's to get a younger, fresher cast in out of fear that someone's going to pass on, I can see that. But most of them are still quite alive and prominent. Russi Taylor is essentially an employee anyway, being the official Minnie Mouse. Don't see why they need to recast anyone that isn't way up there or passed on outside of that. It's not exactly a deal breaker, but it's certainly not good news with this series.

    That said, the actors they did recast because of death for the video game, I hope to see most of them back. Eric Bauza's Fenton Crackshell/Gizmoduck was pretty spot on. Forgot who was Hal Smith's replacement for Flintheart was, but he was just as good.

    If they did a Darkwing Duck without Jim Cummings, however, there's no point in doing it.
     
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The first look at this series has popped up.

    While the first look I had I was a little mixed, closer inspection brings to mind current Italian Scrooge McDuck comics. It looks like the boys and Webby have grown up a little, giving Webby a better look than miniature Daisy Duck with cartoonish bow. Hopefully she's a much stronger character in this series.
     


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