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The Muppet Show Guide - Additions

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by BlueFrackle, Nov 18, 2002.

  1. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Hey Phil + DW,
    There was something that Joggy and I were talking about.

    The Zoot segment at the end.

    Joggy found four different kinds, Could these be added to The Muppet Show Guide section ?
    With Screen Caps of them ?

    See ya
  2. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    BlueFrackle and Jogchem,

    Please send me an e-mail with the four different endings and examples of episodes where each come from. The more info you can provide the better.

    We'll check it out and include it in a future update of some kind.
  3. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Phil,

    Ok, We'll get the details.

    See ya
  4. Joggy

    Joggy Member

    I found four different Zoot endings in my TMS episodes.

    In my Dutch airings there are a few episodes that have a different Zoot ending - not the "Sax and Violence" clip. BlueFrackle and I found out there are four different ones:

    ITV AIRINGS:
    - Blue Zoot, hatless, blows sax with ITV logo in front. (my Juliet Prowse episode)
    - Blue Zoot WITH hat, blows sax with ITV logo in front. (my Phyllis George episode)

    HIT! AIRINGS:
    - Green Zoot, hatless, blows sax and HIT! bubble comes out. Zoot looks at bubble and into sax, amazed. (season 1/2 eps)
    - Green Zoot, WITH hat, blows sax and HIT! bubble comes out. Zoot looks at bubble, amazed. (season 3/4/5 eps)

    BlueFrackle wanted screenshots of these.
  5. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Joggy,

    Thanks for posting it !

    Phil,
    I think that it would be great if you could et Screen Shots of these and put them on the guide, Its something we rarely get to see now that the 'Sax and Violence' clip is put over it.

    See ya
  6. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    I've got a large number of season 2/3 episodes which end with a shot of a hatless blue Zoot in the pit blowing his sax, watched by Crazy Harry. This appears to have been lifted from the season 1 opening titles. I don't know whether this was an 'official' ending shot, as the eps I have all freeze-frame just as he blows the final note... There is no logo or copyright message present, although the original 'ATV' logo is still supered over the previous shot.
    All these eps came off a recent set of German transmissions, channel unknown.

    Other than that, the few off-airs I have on tape have the 'Sax & Violence' shot, and the commercial copies just have the current Henson logo.

    I do recall having seen a variation on the 'Zoot blows logo out of his sax' shot, where the logo was the old 'ha!' one. Nickelodeon (UK) ran some eps with this attached about 8 years ago, but sadly I didn't keep the recordings.

    If grabs of any of these would be useful, please email me :)
  7. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Just sent you a note Alex.
  8. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Alex,

    Did you record 100 Greatest Kids TV Shows from BBC2 last Summer ?

    Ifso there is an ending clip in there without any bubble, It is Zoot WITH Hat in the pit. But Harry is not in the scene.

    I think it is quite a rare clip to see, Minus the bubble and it runs for around 4-5 seconds too.

    See ya
  9. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    No, didn't tape it. I thought it was on C4 though?

    The real trick at the moment seems to be getting hold of the original opening titles for season 1. I've got all of them in video form, but I'm missing the soundtracks to a few :-(
  10. anathema

    anathema Active Member

    Hi Phil,
    Did the pictures I sent you arrive Ok?
  11. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Yes they did. Thanks Alex! I'll write more soon.
  12. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Alex,

    Hey,
    I have a few, And lots of clips and different Henson programs !

    I live in England so maybe we should trade ?

    If you want to frop me an email !

    :D
  13. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Over here in the US, all the original ITV logos have been replaced with new footage of Zoot blowing his horn (to the old soundtrack), checking his music notes, nodding because he LIKED the note, and then nodding to his fellow bandmembers offscreen! The background was all black so they wouldn't have to rebuild the stage set. I believe this change was done so that the ITV logo could be replaced with the Jim Henson Company's copyright information, since the rights had reverted back to them. (But ITV is mentioned elsewhere in the credits, so maybe I'm wrong. But I can't see any other reason for them to change it.)

    I first saw the new ending when the show came to Nickelodeon in '94, though maybe someone else could let us know if this ending was also used when the show aired on TNT in '91.

    Interestingly, Zoot is hatless in this clip, and it was placed over all episodes, even in ones where Zoot has his hat at the end. Even more strange, it was used on episodes where it made the ending confusing, such as the Dudley Moore episode where Animal runs out to the MAMMA Machine and does...something. Who knows? The soundtrack of Animal is still there, but Zoot is inexplicably playing his horn. Also in the Carol Burnett show, Carol is doing her broccoli monologue when Zoot's horn bellows and she says, "Oh, rats!" I'm guessing the camera stayed on her the whole time in the original, though here again it's replaced with Zoot.

    When the show came to video and DVD, I noticed that they had a new Zoot clip! Zoot was now wearing his hat, he appeared to actually be in the orchestra pit, and he reacted with a stunned expression to the note he played. However, just because he's wearing a hat in this scene doesn't mean he's wearing it in the rest of the end credits, either. At first I was disgusted, but then I noticed that goes for the ORIGINAL filmed bits as well. It seems that they mixed scenes from different seasons in the end credits, so sometimes Zoot is wearing a hat or not. I can't tell you which seasons they were, though.

    Sigh...I have no life. :rolleyes:
  14. ZootSaxPlayer

    ZootSaxPlayer Member

    Can you please upload the Zoot ending screenshots from the HIT airings?
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Old thread is old, dude
    Bill Bubble Guy likes this.
  16. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    That is so true. There hasn't even been any significant updates made to the guides themselves at all for a very long time.

    Old old old thread indeed.


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