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The Muppets and Lady Gaga in new Christmas special November 28 on ABC

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Oct 15, 2013.

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  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was thinking about those cameos (in part because it was mentioned here). To think, would we have been complaining about a Hulk Hogan cameo if it had happened around 1984-1993, when he was a good guy and pretty much the face of wrestling?

    And it's ironic about Rob Schneider, as his star power seems to have gone significantly up shortly after this movie (even though many online seem to hate him), with him having cameos and major supporting roles in Adam Sandler movies and starring in a number of hit films (though most were produced by Adam Sandler... I wonder if he could star in a film without Sandler's help). And now it seems like he's not the big star he was in the early 2000s.
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Exactly. We the audience go along with this sick clique mentality of who is "in" and who is "out."
  3. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    That's not entirely fair. It's easy to gripe about public tastes, but you and I are the public. We're part of it. All of us. Sure, there are hipsters and contrarians who decide to like the opposite of what's popular, but they're feeding into it by reacting to it. Trends have driven fashion, literature, art, media and politics since time began. It is not a new thing. There always has to be some sort of measuring bar. That's a fact of life. What's done with that is up to each individual. Personally, I like who I like regardless of popularity. I hate Titanic because it's a terrible film, not because it's popular. I think a lot of people are that way. Just don't think for a minute that many of the choices we make are manipulated by marketers. They are. Every single one of us is guilty of that every day. There is no us-or-them. They are us, we are them. At least on some level.

    Again, my comment referred to what the Muppets deserve, not who they have to work with. The Muppets deserve A-listers. Has-beens and D-listers are fine too. In fact, that could make for some very amusing situations. Still, if there's going to be one Muppet event of the year, I prefer they be paired with the A-list. It's good exposure. I'm sure Weird Al's Muppet Jamboree on the Hub Network would make a lot of people happy, but they deserve to have Lady Gaga & the Muppets Holiday Spectacular airing on ABC primetime this Thanksgiving.

    On another note, Glee will be airing an all-puppet episode opposite this special. DVR set, but who's going to watch the cover when they've got the real thing with real music artists?
  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Don't remind me, lol.

    And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this clique mentality didn't exist in years past. Did you read the Jim Henson biography yet? Before I go further I want to make sure I'm not giving anything away.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Pfft. I'm sure even the fans gave up on that show. It should have been a 3 season miniseries at best. besides, Community already did the all Puppet episode. Kinda disappointing, though.
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    But wouldn't it be great if they appeared with "has-beens" or "D-listers" not because they have to, but because they want to help certain celebrities become popular again? Meaning it'd be the Muppets getting exposure for celebrities the current public isn't familiar with? Hmm, I wonder if that was the case with the celebrities in Muppets from Space and we all just saw it as them being too cheap (nahhhh......).

    And I wouldn't want "Weird Al's Muppet Jambouree" (I know that's just a made-up special) on the Hub Network. Don't have that channel (even though I'd most likely be able to see it online or on DVD shortly afterwards).
  7. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    It would be great for the Muppets to help rehabilitate the reputations of once great performers once they have landed back on top. Until then, I hope they keep the D-listers far, faaaaar away from my furry felt friends. The Muppets have been wading through Hollywood purgatory for years waiting to rub elbows with entertainment's heavy-hitters. Let's just be happy that's happening for now.

    Honestly, I don't have the Hub either, but Al would be lucky to land a special on a fourth-tier cable network. He has a faithful following, but he's a niche performer whose time has come and gone. That's how it goes. However, if there's ever a televised Muppet Show with 22 episodes a year, I hope he gets a call. As a footnote, I can never really enjoy UHF the same way again after hearing Victoria Jackson's bigoted rants. It just makes me terribly sad.

    I'm gonna stick up for Glee. They still explore some groundbreaking territory, with a unique irreverence, that other shows are afraid to touch. It is still a trailblazer. As for the stories, they have been treading water for quite some time. They'll get one more season after this before calling it quits. I'd rather this be its last year so they could just go wild with everything without any more dilution. Oh, and the puppets look great.
    I'm still reading it.
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  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Al has found a nice little side career as a voice actor appearing in everything from Transformers Animated to Adventure Time to Word Girl. That's a nice fit for him, as they always give him the weirdest characters to play, aside from himself. I just wish they'd make at least one more Word Girl with The Learnerer (his character). But I'll give him this... he may be a niche performer, but his career lasted much longer than most of the artists he parodied. That's not saying much, but especially the 1980's albums... you'd think he wrote those songs he was parodying. Only time I ever heard "Who's Johnny" was an episode of Reading Rainbow.

    Yeah, I'm really wishing that Ellen DeGeneres would have played the love interest. Jackson wasn't so bad until she went politically frag nuts. Then again, she seems to be one of those "I found religion, so I can be a complete d-bag to everyone" types. And it is always sad to see someone before they became so polarizing.

    The problem with these instantly popular shows is trying to maintain what made them popular in the first place. They come off as is off the bat, and unfortunately devolve instead of evolve. You look at Seinfeld, The Simpsons, stuff like that... they have weird first seasons where they don't know what they're doing and slowly gain ground. Can't say I was ever huge into Glee... when the story was good, the music got in the way, when the music was good, the story got in the way...but it seems that it had a strong opening, but just doesn't know where its at now. Also, I tend to notice that some of these shows with teenage characters who graduate, they desperately want them to fail college and bring them back into the cast. Modern Family did it and it looks like The Middle wants to do it. But that's wildly off topic.
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  9. MuppetGuy75

    MuppetGuy75 Well-Known Member

    I'm so excited about this! Gaga and Muppets together will be a Holiday special to remember for sure! :):D:flirt::zany:
  10. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    Yeah! :)
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  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    OK I'll wait on that then, I don't want to give things away. I'm just saying the cult of celebrity does a lot of damage to innocent people.

    But hey, I'm excited about the special because anything Thanksgivingy/Christmasy gets me excited, lol. And because it's great to see the Muppets gets some exposure. If "A-listers" get the Muppets a larger audience, then great. But in the end, "A-lister" is just another word for "Soon to be D-lister" and after awhile it's hard to take any of it seriously. :p
  12. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Elton John has always been an A-lister, so your assessment isn't entirely accurate. My point it that the Muppets have had sucky stars up until this point and now they get the good ones. After that they can have their choice of anybody like they did 20+ years ago. Anyway, not going to belabor the point. You guys have gone far down the rabbit hole playing devil's advocate on this one. :rolleyes:

    My concern is that the special is 8 days away and there have been no advertisements on ABC. Maybe they're waiting for 7-days prior. Just seems odd to me.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Sure, there are some people who manage to stay on top for longer periods. There are kids who are always popular in school. That doesn't change the fact that the entertainment industry is a shallow clique of who "belongs" and who doesn't (i.e. who is making money right now and who isn't). And the idea that the Muppets have to first butter up the "A-listers" and THEN they can be nice to the "Has-Beens" isn't something I'm comfortable with. That's how the industry works, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, lol. But I won't belabor the point either. :)
  14. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Well, you just kind of did belabor the point. LOL! :o So I'll just say this.

    If you want to reinvent the wheel of how things work, I encourage you to go for it! Nothing would make me happier if things were different. However, there's a way that things work in this world and entertainment is no different. People talk about Hollywood and "Hollywood values" and that's 100% hokum. What they are citing are merely worldly values of the bottom line - money. And money is neither good nor evil. It's just a means to accomplish something. The way it's earned and the moral value attached to it are completely up to the individual.

    Jim Henson understood it more than anyone. He learned to create the media he wanted while playing under the rules of the game. And, yes, those rules suck! Completely! He then changed a lot of it from the inside through hard work instead of grumbling about it, casting judgments on others or simply snapping his fingers. I would love for the Muppets to be considered the insiders they were in the 80's and thumb their puppety noses at the establishment like they once did. Change comes from the doers.

    I've had many, many, many creative setbacks in my life that are completely asinine. Instead of trying to justify why I'm right and the powers-that-be are wrong, I take a moment. I find an inanimate object to punch and move on to the next thing. That's how an artist stays alive - by knowing when to fight and when to relent and move forward. Experience tells me that, 9 times out of 1o, the latter is the correct response. As a bright blue fish once said, "Just keep swimming!"

    Personally, I'd just rather enjoy the delicious donut of the Gaga situation than focus on the hole of whom else they could have landed. I guess that's par for the course on fan forums. Wow, that's a lot of metaphors!
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. This is the part where I laugh at myself a bit and remind myself I have never been a starving artist and therefore have the luxury of pointing out injustice when I haven't had to fully deal with it myself. :) So yeah, I get where you're coming from.
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Now that I think about it, that does bother me. I mean, they had non-stop publicity for the freaking Country Music Awards. This is a pretty major special, and the only publicity it's been given was a subpar clip shown on The View. No cross promotion, no small advertisements. If they don't start them tonight, during their high rated sitcoms, they might as well just hide the thing under a rock and put on reruns of that terrible Last Man Standing. I hate when networks second guess things and pretend things are on another network. Then they whine about how such and such is a failure.
  17. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Ha! Yup. 100+ hours of my hard work were just flushed down the drain on a project that everybody wanted and the powers-that-be cheered on until they pulled the plug in the 11th hour. And this is not the first time. I feel like Charlie Brown with the football. I'll just keep trying to kick it! The only difference is that I often do get that chance. In fact, my work has a success rate that's over 50%. That's kind of amazing among artists. I could easily do blackmarket Etsy items and make bank on them, but I choose to work for The Man because it instills a creative discipline. The other way would like playing a sport without any rules. Ultimately there's no challenge, no fun, no reward. Just cheap, fleeting thrills. So I kind of embrace the maddening rules.

    The Muppets are following the rules, or at least as much as fuzzy anarchists can. I'm still upset that there's been nearly no promotion for this yet.
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  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I bet they'll blast the ads this Sunday night. It's just strange they haven't done much sooner.
  19. JonnyBMuppetMan

    JonnyBMuppetMan Well-Known Member

    Well, with the Muppets Most Wanted trailers having been released just today, hopefully that will compensate for the (so far) lack of promotion for this.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Because it's not Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, The American Music Awards, or Dancing with the Stars... all or which are reasonably prioritized... but then they kept shoving some Country Music Awards Christmas special in our faces during every show last night, and that comes on December 2nd! Later than the Muppet/Gaga special. That's probably because it ties into Nashville... but come on! I could see them kinda screwing over the Muppets (while I'm mostly positive about Disney's handling of the Muppets, their lack of confidence in their projects is disturbing), but Lady Gaga?

    There should be promotion. If they can ho out the Country Music Awards Christmas special that airs later, they certainly can make at least a 10 second teaser commercial for the Muppets.

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