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The Muppets are getting worse

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Kaiser Gonzo, Feb 16, 2006.

  1. Kaiser Gonzo

    Kaiser Gonzo New Member

    man, what is happening to the muppets. they are so going down hill. i THINK ever since Muppets from space therre has been less and less quality stuff, and come on Muppet Oz was not the best. what do u guys think, are the muppets getting worse:smirk:
     
  2. MeepBorkMeep

    MeepBorkMeep New Member

    Hmm...maybe. Their movies were kick awesome...but yes, after Space it's kind of been going down hill. I'm still optimistic, though. Things could get better.....
     
  3. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I wouldn't totally say they are going "downhill" although I do see and understand where you are coming from. The Muppets have been going through a tough transition period lately, especially due to the recent Disney buying them. But we must remain hopeful.:)
     
  4. MeepBorkMeep

    MeepBorkMeep New Member

    Yes. We must. :) Maybe the Fraggle Rock Movie will be good. :)
     
  5. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

    lIKE I SAID THE mUPPETS ARE DEAD
     
  6. travellingpat

    travellingpat Active Member

    Hey, come on, keep the faith! Muppets will live forever!

    PC
     
  7. Kaiser Gonzo

    Kaiser Gonzo New Member

    :attitude: Well kimp the shrimp i think u have apoint, but so do the other guys.
    i think the main reason for them going down hill, getting a bit worse is because the only original muppeteer left is Dave Goelz, the greatest muppet writer of all time (Jerry Juhl) sadly passed away left year so what next. who is going to continue the legacy.
    I personnaly would STOP all together, it would be upsetting, very upsetting but we have no REAL muppeteers left.:grouchy:
     
  8. MeepBorkMeep

    MeepBorkMeep New Member

    Wait...did you mean Dave Goelz wasn't a real Muppeteer? He's rully good. And he was there from the start. But other than him...some of the Sesame Street puppeteers are still there...but not quite anyone else as far as I know.
     
  9. flyingpenguin

    flyingpenguin New Member

    I have to agree that muppet productions are getting crappier & crappier, I didn't even finish watching The Swamp Years or Oz... Yuck! And believe me I'm a hardcore fan, when I was a kid I taught myself to talk like Link, Piggy, Kermit< Fozzie, Marvin & Strangepork, my family found it entertaining, bordering on crazy. But one Henson died, it was never the same. Even Piggy isn't as good as she used to be, there's something missing in the voice.

    Sad to think their best ever movie was (in my opinion) their first.

    Look at Muppets Tonight compared to the original...
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    My only problems with some of the more recent Muppet productions was that "Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie". THAT movie was so....ick....The Muppets' Wizard of Oz was much better, but I wish they would let them do theatrical movies agaiin
     
  11. Kaiser Gonzo

    Kaiser Gonzo New Member

    :grouchy: i could'nt bring myself to watch Very merry muppet christmas movie or Muppet oz, and when i got Kermits swap years for xmas, man was dissapointed:boo:
     
  12. Marky

    Marky Member

    I thought that the "It's a Very Merry..." was not too bad. The problem with most of the recent stuff is the abscence of Frank Oz, in my opinion. It's all become too typically American now. I had a bad feeling about Oz as soon as I saw the cover for it. Some no-name r&b singer for Dorothy???

    The Muppets are only dead as long as it's artisitc decisions are filtered though focus-group research and marketing execs.
     
  13. Kaiser Gonzo

    Kaiser Gonzo New Member

    well said marky. a muppet should have been dorothy
     
  14. Marky

    Marky Member

    Um, they did. To Yankee-Doolde Disney.
     
  15. ReneeLouvier

    ReneeLouvier Active Member

    Steve, Dave, Kevin, Jerry Nelson. They are all still there. Granted, Frank has pretty much left the Muppets, and Jerry isn't there all the time. Richard and Jim are dead, sadly...but I don't believe they're gone.

    They're just trying to find ground again, in this new wave of fans. Have you seen how well TMS Season 1 and FR Season 1 have sold?

    They're starting up a new Fraggle Rock movie, they're planning to start a new series, (granted it's patterning after American Idol of course.) But knowing them, I have heart in what their doing.

    They might have sold the Marketing Rights, but not the dream. They still own those muppets. It's.....it's kinda like in "It's a Very Merry" although they don't own the theater anymore, it's a historical landmark.

    They will never go away. They just have to find their ground that's all. And I believe in them. And what they do as well.
     
  16. MeepBorkMeep

    MeepBorkMeep New Member

    Now /that/ is optimism. But that's good. I didn't know Steve was still workin for em, but I guess I never really heard that he wasn't. That's good.
     
  17. Marky

    Marky Member

    Kevin Clash??? Pfft.

    Frank Oz is/was the whole essence about what I loved about the Muppets (not take away the whole "Jim created the whole she-bang and hois characters are all awesome. He died, Frank didn't).

    What's his name does a pretty good Piggy, and a so-so Fozzie, but it ain't Frank!

    Only one Frank Oz, there is.
     
  18. Kaiser Gonzo

    Kaiser Gonzo New Member

    They're just trying to find ground again, in this new wave of fans. Have you seen how well TMS Season 1 and FR Season 1 have sold?

    MMm, well said rennee, but i think it is best letting new fans get in to the proper stuff, the Muppet show, the original fraggle rock series, the original sesame street programs etc, the reason the muppets were so good and the legend of them still is, is because of five puppeteers called Jim, Dave, frank, Richard and jerry, and because of one superb writer Jerry Juhl, and because of some great puppet maker, Don Sahlin, Bonnie Erikson etc, their the people that made the muppets what they are, their the people who were the cause for this website, for the exsiistance of muppet fans every where, they are the real muppet creators, lets not let any other people spol that by making crappy new movies and characters
     
  19. MeepBorkMeep

    MeepBorkMeep New Member

    Maybe they should make, like, a gimundo Muppet documentary with all the stuff in it. Not with, like, people that pretend to be the Muppeteers and have this big drama thing or whatever, cause I've seen that with other things and it's just turned out crappy. But maybe they take all the documentaries made i.e. Muppets and Men or Down at Fraggle Rock, get some new interviews, get some excerpts from all those Muppet books, and make a nice little Henson Comapny retrospective. I think that might teach the new wave of fans a little thing or two. Just un idea. ;)
     
  20. ReneeLouvier

    ReneeLouvier Active Member

    Kevin Clash in my mind is considered one of the main puppeters, he's like Steve Whitmire, he was there from the late 70's on. It's just most times when people think "Kevin Clash" first thing to mind is...ugh...Elmo.

    Eric Jacobson does a great Piggy and Fozzie! Yes, sometimes Fozzie sounds like Piggy and vice-versa, but it's great I think.

    Not trying to make an arguement or anything but yeah.
     

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