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The Muppets is now the top-grossing Muppet movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Speed Tracer, Dec 16, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I blame the entertainment industry for causing the nonstop price increases and decreases in quality at the theaters where everyone sees these. It's almost as if they WANT to make these things obsolete so they can make cheap movies that make up their budgets through digital downloads. Because, as I said, why bother going to a nice theater, getting an audience reaction, seeing everything loudly on a large screen when you can watch a film the way it was meant to be seen, on something smaller than a postcard on your way to work like it's almost a chore?

    I especially love how they pegged 3-D as the thing that would save the movies, only to get greedy and hike up prices after Avatar, effectively losing that audience. No one likes 3-D anymore, and it was on the way out before it even hit the 2 year mark.

    And who wants to bet that the theaters will respond to the low ticket sales by raising prices up again. That are be am to is SMART! After all, we are in a recession... and we all know that recession means when companies post record profits, yet refuse to hire anyone or expand operations as it would cut into the inbread CEOs' obscene pay blobs.

    I take pride in the fact I see most of my movies at smaller, family owned, indie theaters that show the same first run movies They're cheaper, if you can believe it. I saw the Muppets for 5 bucks! No trickery, no coupons... just a weekday matinee. I wish I saw it more than once, and for that much I should have, but stuff kept coming up.
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Every single movie theater in northern california(least the dozens around here), has $5 Tuesday and many have $5 first showing every day. On $5 tuesdays and first showings daily, 3d films are $8. The second run $1 theaters are all gone, used to be several in the 90's. Though we now have one, that's a $3.50 theater that mostly shows family movies by the time they hit the home market. Now, $5 movies...that's like mid 90's matinee prices! So in a way, movies are cheaper than ever if you know when to go. But sometimes it's good to go to the movies at night with friends
  3. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    it made another million yesterday, so it's having a good week so far
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's almost like, what the HECK?! Everyone's complaining about how expensive movies are, but it's like they're too dang proud to see them at a matinee. There's no fun waiting until the home video and digital download. I mean, by then, everyone you know saw it, tells you how it ends... and then everyone wonders why they don't enjoy those movies when they see them at home with 3 other people at most pausing every 2 minutes to use the bathroom or pick up a phone. Seriously.. suck it up, call in a sick day, see a matinee. Walking out of the theater to sunlight doesn't hurt that bad.

    I really wish it made 80 Mil by now, it might just slowly, gradually get to that by the time it completely disappears from theaters. I hate this, but Disney movies always do their best on home video. The film's already a moderate success, and it made more in its 2 opening weeks than Chipmunks did... unless it hits hard Christmas Break, I doubt it's going to make all that much. Ross Jr. will wind up suing someone, and they won't make a fourth one.
  5. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    The question that I have is, and I haven't read all the post, so I don't know but I wanna know is that is the whole "top grossing Muppet movie" thing adjusted for the times? Cause if you put the ticket sales from the other movies to today, would it be more or less? I don't know what they call it, I know it's called something, and I've heard it being said about past movies being top grossing movies.

    Daniel
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I already said that and Muppet Wiki already crunched those numbers. So technically, it's only the third highest grossing Muppet Movie. if it ONLY made it to 90, it would be the second highest.

    Unless you crunch those numbers, it IS the highest grossing. Even then, it did better than ALL the current theatrically released movies, and better than MTM. That is nothing to sneeze at. Hopefully Disney understands this wasn't destined for Toy Story money.
  7. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    Yes, it's less, but in the end it will be for only one movie: The Muppet Movie, which sold probably twice as many. It's the only one of the theatrically released crop that could be considered "blockbuster" status.

    The box office has rejuvenated, but basically to the point where it should have been last week. "The Muppets", thanks to Arthur Christmas literally being pulled out of theaters, is enjoying some sloppy seconds. It'll easily make 80 mil now, and has a small chance of going into the late 80's. (a very small chance) But beyond that, it should be retiring.

    I still maintain that it'll be a huge hit on DVD/Blu-Ray.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Great Muppet Caper pulled in over 89 million... unless The Muppets continues to make a lot of money, I highly doubt it will beat that. It might just be close... but even at 80 mil, it beat MTM and everything beyond. It already beat the other Disney released Muppet films (MCC and MTI)... and MCC managed to have a follow up movie at only 52 mil. And MTI did slightly better too.

    Arthur Christmas had an unfortunate bump being a Christmas movie the last week or so. Seems people are actually discovering Hugo much later on than the film needed, but The Muppets is doing well for itself, considering it's been out over a month and seemed to disappear from most theaters. Of course, I know places that just stopped running Puss in Boots, and that came out last week of October.
  9. Scooterforever

    Scooterforever Active Member

    I saw The Muppets for the fifth time at the King of Prussia Imax this past Sunday, and let me tell you it was packed. I actually got there 15 min late, but thanks to long previews and the Toy Story short I didn't miss a second of the film. Unfortunately, I didn't have many seating options, so I had to sit right up front and on the far left, not the best place to sit. Still, after about 20 min I forgot about the uncomfortable seating and just enjoyed the film. It must still be pulling a crowd at the box office, considering I saw the 3:45 pm showing and it was still packed. I've never seen any movie this many times in theaters, but then again it's also a relatively short movie. I think it still has yet to be released in some other countries, so we'll have to wait for the international release to see the final numbers.
  10. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    yay, another million yesterday. almost the exact amount as tuesday, so it will hit 80 by the weekend
  11. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    The second the 26th hit, Sony pulled Arthur. I guess we won't hear about it ever again until the DVD (quietly) hits shelves in November 2012.

    The film is still in 1500+ theaters, I have to imagine it will drop to three digits in January, but that's still impressive. Probably will truly drop off the map in a month. If there's one keen policy Disney has, it's a fast turnaround. 90 days is the norm, and they usually don't exceed that greatly. So the DVD/Blu-Ray will be available to purchase in very early March, just after the movie finishes tying up its receipts in budget dollar theaters.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The film is still about in a couple theaters... I know at least one that still has it anyway. Still, I felt that would be the strongest potential competition for the Muppets... I think it did a decent job taking some of the potential B.O. from that one, though... I'm giggling about how poorly the merchandise is doing (already on clearance, has been since before Christmas), especially when Muppet Plush from Disney has been impossible to find (at least most characters).

    Still... what they go so far is very impressive for a slow box office season. I don't think any of the big films released the past 2 weeks will make budget for a while.
  13. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    Mission: Impossible probably the only safe bet on making its budget back, yeah. (oh and Chipmunks, but its laggard performance compared to its prequels makes it a non-issue)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Mission Impossible and Sherlock Holmes are doing quite well for themselves... but like I said before, Green Lantern made over 100 million... it was number 1 its first week, but because the budget was well over 300 million, it was considered a flop. Chipmunks, no doubt, is a cheap film. it will make its budget back in time, I guess... but still, like you said, it isn't making the money the previous films did. Can't say I don't blame them... must've watched the second film and had the same problems I had with it.

    So far, Muppets... over 78 mil....
  15. Aaron

    Aaron Active Member

    Where do you get your info? Box office mojo says over 85 million
  16. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    The 85 million refers to international gross, domestic (American numbers) is 78. Think of foreign grosses as extra sauce, while the domestic gross is the real meat that the studios want to flaunt in the end. The international gross of a movie has to be staggeringly higher than the domestic for the studios to pay any sort of attention, such as Disney's case with Brother Bear, which is why it got a DTV sequel despite a mediocre domestic gross.

    DVD/Blu-ray sales matter more for a franchise, except for the unlikely scenario. Say "The Muppets" is a huge hit in Europe, more than doubling the domestic gross... the studios will be watching. Do I think that's going to happen? Probably not.
  17. terrimonster

    terrimonster Member

    Now I'm curious where you're seeing the international numbers, because I've been watching Box Office Mojo, and I have the same number as Drtooth.
    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=themuppets.htm
    "Domestic Total as of Dec. 28, 2011: $78,852,318"
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I get my info from Muppet Wiki that gets its info directly from Box Office Mojo. International does count, but watching domestic is far more important.

    That's kind of a bad example. Only because, at the time, Disney was making DTV sequels of absolutely everything.

    I have no doubt the movie will hit it big once Europe gets it, but for now, it's done alright for itself here. These might be meh numbers in the summer, during huge blockbuster season... but it's definitely above Fall sleeper hit movie gross. And its budget was made back at the domestic level. Granted, it was a low budget, but like I said before, Green Lantern didn't even make its budget back despite opening the top in the weekend it was released and getting well over 100 million dollars. From that perspective, the Muppets are a hit.
  19. Scooterforever

    Scooterforever Active Member

    As a comic book fan, and former Green Lantern fan, it hurts my soul to be reminded of the Apocalyptic disaster that was the GL film:(. I think it hurt the character in the same way the Jonah Hex film hurt the character of the same name, which is to say, badly.

    Anyway, yeah, I really hope The Muppets did well enough for Disney to follow through with another movie, or a even a new Muppet show. I've been to two Disney stores in the last month, and both only had a minimal amount of Muppets stuff, I don't now if that reflects on the film's success at all, but it sure doesn't make me happy:mad:. Again, I've seen the movie in theaters 5x, so I feel I've done all I can to support the Muppet cause.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Like I said... I wonder why DC has to try to get all these movies out when they've only had success with Chris Nolan's Batman movies as of late. I didn't think the movie was too bad, but I never cared much about the character... so that kinda helps. If that sequel gets made, I hope they take the hint and make it a little less "Brocom." But then again, that tedious bro stuff was the only time you had a breather. They might as well have hired John Moschitta Jr. to narrate the story of the Green Lantern corps, it was that much crammed into a movie. till, I don't think anyone wanted to watch Johna Hex. He's pretty obscure outside of the in the know comic crowd.

    But from a perspective, it made twice as much as the Muppets did, but with the huge budget of GL and the small budget of The Muppets, The Muppets was more of a success for bringing in more than it made, even though it didn't bring in as much as the other film.

    Plus, I'm guessing the 3-D prices helped for GL's BO. Muppets is running on 2-D only. And that only helped their cause. Everyone's sick of 3-D and it only really works on animation anyway.

    While I think Disney feels that it doesn't need to make Toy Story money, I still think they kinda underestimated how well merchandise would do. I already discussed that somewhere else, but it seems they didn't know if they wanted to hit up the older nostalgic fans, or the littlest of kids who are said nostalgic fans' children. There wasn't much of an older kid market, and that makes all the difference. Still, the fact that toy companies would rather gamble everything on a one time movie success than a long standing franchise speaks volumes about everything right now... I can only take comfort that the minimal Muppet stuff is selling, while the Arthur Christmas and Happy Feet junk already went on clearance at TRU. And STILL untouched. Plus, the Chipmunks don't have much beyond a couple plush lines, a kid's meal promotion, and a cheaply made dance off video game. Smurfs stuff just about surprised everybody. And there wasn't anything for Puss in Boots either.


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