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"The Muppets" show runner exits, series to be relaunched February 2 with episodes 11-16

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Drtooth, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's why I hope with viral videos there will be the classic like PIS will have Link & Strangepork.
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  2. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Just read the article with the changes. I do agree I got tired of seeing the mean, evil spirited Miss Piggy. Honestly, I think a lot of people got tired of her just being a complete jerk. She can be like that sometimes, maybe because she could get frustrated, but I do like how they're going to tone her down and make her more likable. Maybe she reads emails in one episode talking about how mean spirited she is, and she decides to do a makeover.....Maybe.

    As for the Vets sketch, are the writers somehow going to have Rowlf come on part time on the Up Late with Miss Piggy show while still tending his bar? I can see that happening.
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  3. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I can't wait for the character reunion! That sounds amazing! All the other stuff sounds good too
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  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I do look forward to some of the characters being less "mean" (though, that was softening a few episodes in). Not so sure about the way they're describing the new antagonist. They're making it sound very cartoony (I mean, the movie villains were, I guess).

    Nice to see the inclusion of other characters, but let's get one thing clear: the show will not be better if Lew Zealand or Camilla are in it. The quality will not depend on how many obscure characters they throw into the show.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have to admit, while I do like the direction they were going to go eventually that we've seen in 3 of the 4 last episodes, I'm skeptical about what they're saying here.

    About the "mean spirited" thing. That went away a few episodes in. The first episode had that completely awkward scene with Scooter and Banks kicking each other out of the golf cart. That and a few of the more adult jokes going away has made the series better.

    And while I do agree Piggy did have her characterization go a bit too far early on, at least she was given the excuse of going through the biggest lows of her life. I do not see why this is completely foreign to the character, especially since Frank Oz's interpretation of a character that had a miserable home life and ran away to stardom, adopting a massive ego as an act. I don't see why this little addition to character development is seen as a bad thing, especially since I feel it could lead to a very satisfying payoff. Especially since Walk the Swine gave us that nice moment of her passive aggressive, one upping apology. Not to mention how the past few episodes softened her up and made her more vulnerable. And I'd take selfish, egotistical Piggy over a lobotomized "Kissy Kissy" Piggy anyday. Heck, Piggy was meaner in Muppet Babies overall than here.

    But the complaint I don't get is frustrated, shell shocked Kermit. I heard the same complaints about him in The Muppets, when he was defeated and depressed without Piggy and the rest. I see parallels between that here. What I don't like is happy-go-lucky, Mickey Mouse but a frog, only positive emotions Kermit. We had a problem with that in the 00's, and I don't think Steve's to blame. I like Kermit going off and screaming about how he wants his KERMIT THE FRO-O-O-O-O-O-O-OG T-SHIRT!!!! His outbursts of both not wanting to have never been born and wanting to be born. His KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE KNOCKING IT OFF!!!! And I also want to see his calmer, quieter moments as contrast. The did that beautifully with Pigs in a Blackout. If they can keep that up and not give us constantly smiling Kermit from MFS (you're friend is having an existential crisis, he's being cut up in a science lab, and you're freaking house painting?!?!), I'm sure the audience can be happy.

    Now, elements of the original show and more wackiness I'll admit are what this show needed. Not at the expense of the format, mind you, but one that gels perfectly with it. That can be done, as the past few episodes have proved. The giant stick of butter in Pigs in a Blackout alone. I still want to see Kermit and Piggy struggle at realizing they need each other and they made a mistake (the breakthrough in the last episode felt all the more satisfying as a result), and I still want to see Fozzie and Becky brought up from time to time. Just no Gonzo on a blind date or Scooter dating a meh celebrity again. But if it turns into the Happy Sesame Street Muppet Babies Smiletime Hour, (or even season 1 Muppets Tonight), I'll be disappointed. The Muppets needed a format change and for better or worse, that's what we got. They can change the show into something more Muppety without sacrificing what they built up to, and hopefully that's what's going to happen.
  6. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I'm cautiously optimistic about these new changes. A new human antagonist sounds promising and could go either way (as long as they don't Poochie him into the show like they didn't do with Denise), but I am liking more of the focus on the Up Late sketches and the promise of story arcs, as well as the return of old favorites like Camilla and Foo-Foo. Doesn't seem like they'll be ditching any of the characterization they've been developing up to this point, either, which gives me some peace of mind. :)
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  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Kermit seems prone to moodiness from time to time, even back in the days when Jim was still with us . . . however, somehow a moody, sadsack Kermit isn't quite the same; recently watching HEY, CINDERELLA!, one of the problems I had with the special was that Kermit was depicted as something of an Eeyore, mainly because he lived in a kingdom that seemed to persecute frogs for no reason whatsoever. Still, Kermit is at his best when his patience is tested and he eventually ends up flying off the handle at all of the craziness happening around him.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Kermit in this series isn't so much depressed (at least, as he was in The Muppets) so much as a neurotic bag of nerves who nervously laughed his way through a lot of the crap going on. And frankly, I liked that. Reminds me of the Family Guy cutscene about "Bears in Space." "THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE!!!!" I like the concept of Kermit having PTSD after having to be the leader of the group for so long. But I think that's one of my little problems with the show. Really seems like they should pull a The Muppets and make reference to their previous projects, with the perspective that they were movies and TV shows. Seems like those things really should get a nod like the "was I in Muppet Treasure Island" line from the pitch.
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  9. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what kind of continuity this show exists in anyway. They say they've been doing the late night talk show for years, which doesn't fit with the recent movies. And there's been only one use of the word "Muppet" outside of the intro, so it's hard to say whether these are "The Muppets" vs. a group of odd characters who just happen to wok in the same place.
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  10. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I personally would hate that, but to each his own.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind that's kind of the dynamic Jim had in mind for the characters that they were more or less a troupe of actors that just happen to be puppets, so in a sense they can work in either context.
  12. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    I just hope they don't make this another Muppet Show. Been there, done that......I would like the writers to do less relationship plot lines. I also don't want to see Kermit back with Piggy either. We already know Kermit can barely tolerate her. Heck, I can barely tolerate Piggy. She's a self righteous annoying character. Always has been.

    I'd like for the writers to focus plots on other characters. Imagine if you have a story involving Rowlf, or one with Lips and Zoot. Very interesting.

    I thought that scene was hilarious.
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think having a woman write for Piggy will change things for her in a good way. I think since the show began Piggy has needed to be better written. I also think that the way Kermit relates to Piggy is something that needs help.
    From what I can see Newman is a Muppet fan, who has been at least listening to some of the fans complaints
  14. LipsGF4Life

    LipsGF4Life Well-Known Member

    I can see an episode focusing more on Zoot and Lips.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Everything is its own continuity with The Muppets. I'd love to see them reference past projects from the meta scale of them working on them, not trying to make the things canon. I don't necessarily think that's a deal breaker, but I think there's some good perspective if they make references to other things they did. Most other shows made out of older franchises and characters seem to have Easter Eggs or Mythology Gags one way or another. I really think something like that can be mined for plot devices or something.

    I don't want them to get back together right away. I liked how they slowly hinted at the fact that they may have been bipolar together, but miserable apart. It can really open up a character depth, and has in the last episode. If they get back together too soon, and provided the show is considered for renewal, they'd inevitably have to break up again and then slowly fall back in love again. I remember how on Third Rock from the Sun, when they finally had Mary tolerate and then fall in love with Dick, they had that gimmicky season opener where the Big Giant Head sent down Rosanne to be Dick's estranged wife, and that one was clumsilly handled, causing the rift to come back because the writers decided it was funnier when Mary was disgusted by Dick. Then of course we have Rhoda being married off too soon, and then having to get a divorce. And Mike and Molly married too soon and the ratings dropped off and no one cared anymore.
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  16. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    I just saw an ad for the next episode! Key and Peele guest star!
  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Do you have the video of that ad?
  18. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Sadly, no. I saw it during a repeat of episode six. Hopefully they upload it online soon, I'd love to see it again!
  19. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Ya, that was a pretty jam packed promo, glad I watched the repeat episode. I don't remember much, but I do remember Fozzie saying, I'm so fired, and Kermit and Miss Piggy on stage with Kermit holding a banjo, other than that lots of quick scenes, I hope that it gets uploaded online, can't wait for the new episodes. There's one more repeat, Going Going Gonzo, on Tuesday January 26, then the following week, the muppets return.
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  20. LipsGF4Life

    LipsGF4Life Well-Known Member

    I love Key and Peele!!!
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