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The New "Am I the Only One" Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but corporate interests would ruin it, JUST like they did in basically EVERY Socialist country there is. Look at China. To quote Homer Simpson... "You guys are Commies?!? Then why do I see free market systems all over here?" (or something like that) They're even more capitalistic than we are... they have slave labor, or something close to it.

    Still, I don't buy the whole "voters are the losers" bit. They bring this on themselves... some have to go for idiotic wedge issues at the risk of having a president or governor or something that evolved past the point of having a pre-1950's view on the world. Basically a dangerous one. And it causes all the sane voters to push back and vote for someone well meaning but mediocre, stunting a multiparty system.
  2. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Well, yes...but they only bring this idiocy on themselves because they've been educationally deprived. Is that an excuse for continuing ignorant throughout their entire lives? No. But it does keep coming back to a basic lack of any kind of real educational standards nationwide, at least in my view. Look at the calm, rational, Norse countries like Norway and Sweden, where schooling is made enjoyable while still actually TEACHING their kids everything they need to know to be good and intelligent citizens, and then some. Why the heck aren't we emulating that? Why are so many school systems stuck in the rote-repeat-test rut, and so many school officials concerned only with their Bibles instead of teaching young minds HOW to think for themselves (as opposed to WHAT to think of the world)?

    I really wish the Puritans and the Victorians had been mercifully edged out of society before their twisted worldview corrupted everything with potential for good in this country. If we raised kids to THINK instead of to REACT, we'd never have had someone like Gingrich or Santorum in ANY office anywhere, much less thinking they had enough groundswell support to make a run for the highest office. The fact that people actually turn up at their rallies and cheer makes me despair for the level of intelligence in American proles.
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  3. heralde Well-Known Member

    The fact that people are still supporting either major party makes me despair. ;)
  4. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Here's the thing... remember what i said about young people vs. old people? The easiest example of why old bitter pseudo religious people are starting to lose their hold on society is the fallout of the Archie Comics Keven Keller wedding issue. The organization of idiots known as One Million moms (who have a member count of not even half that) threw a tantrum because TRU had a copy of the issue (if it's like every other TRU, it's crumpled and shoved in behind 5 month old issues of Batman and no longer in print or published Disney Boom comics) and threatened a Boycott.

    There were far more voices in FAVOR of that issue than against it, and now it's not just sold out, but highly sought after. That's a paradigm shift if ever I heard one.

    Unfortunately, this basically means the only way we can get around wedge issues (another sneaky tactic from the Reagan Administration) is that everyone around our age has to promise to not grow up to be old, fearful and bitter, and we'll probably be heard once those older buggers die out. Why else do you think they're complaining about "brainwashing" kids to be accepting? they want the old fears around to keep those imbecilic wedge issues burning and dishonestly winning elections from them.
    I'm going to be shockingly honest here....

    There are only 2 people that make up the majority of those who vote third party... hipsters and crazy guys who live in cabins in the backwoods. Wanna know why? Because the only third parties we have appeal to hipsters and crazy guys who live in cabins. There are no sane, well thought out, experienced leader driven third parties out there. Just fringe groups of super liberals and far out far right conservatives/libertarians. The only way a third party can come out is if it's perfectly middle ground enough to win a majority of votes. So far, the only thing third parties are about is pure idealism that just won't work in the real world... or would probably work after a huge horrible period of suffering. Who wants that?
  5. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Will I get stones lobbed at me for raising my hand? Change is necessary. No revolution was ever bloodless. Granted, I would hope most folk would prefer to have a civil dialogue...but I'm not idealistic enough to think a complete shift in values in this country would be peaceful...

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  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Change comes after decades of suffering. And it would be high suffering. We've suffered enough. I'd love a third party too, but no one wants a middle of the road moderate.

    Scratch that.

    At this point middle of the road moderate is just left of Democrat. That's how far right the country slide once Obama came in. You know something's wrong when a Democrat is far too left for the right and not left enough for the left. So basically we got the closest thing to a moderate independent we'll ever get in the White House already. If anything, he's just right of moderate, except for the health care thing.

    And even then, everyone idealizes third parties a little too much. They can be corrupted to. Politics has become insanely dirty in 30 years with you know who starting it up (like I said, Wedge issues? Reagan administration trick).

    I know I'm harder on the right than the left, but let's face it... the left are WIENIES! It's not that the left doesn't play dirty, but when they do, it's on such a lame magnitude, and they get caught easily and it's plastered all over the news. The Right's sneakier because they basically rewrite the rules so anything goes.

    Anytime the right begins to lose an issue for sounding careless, callous, and basically despicable, they just run to Marketing Devil Frank Lultz. They pay him lord knows what to rename things to sound either cute and fuzzy if it's really terrible, or scary and evil if it's good for us. Government take over of Healthcare? That's him. If the right was going to make a program where everyone was being forced to get flaming anal probes and film it, they'd call it "George Washington Freedom Jesus" and easily influential people will happily line up and listen to some loudmouthed fatso say how great it is to get one.

    It's basically the media's fault... they're all owned by people who want tax cuts and don;t care where from.
  7. heralde Well-Known Member

    That's probably true but only because the current system is not working and will eventually end and we will be the ones paying for it because we kept that system in power. It's going to happen and we're just postponing the inevitable by continuing to throw our votes away in this system.

    I know what you mean, but I don't entirely agree. The left is capable of some pretty horrific things. Both parties kinda make my skin crawl, lol.
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but the difference (at least lately) is that any time the left so much as sneezes, there's a certain news organizations swooping in and shoving a bunch of overpaid blabbermouths to complain that they didn't say excuse me. Meanwhile, the right does something, and same organization says how great it is that they did that horrible thing... all the while (as I said) they run to Frank Lultz, throw him a fortune to put the word "Freedom" in front of it, and half of everyone accepts it. Everyone keeps forgetting what a nightmare it was during the Bush administration if you didn't like the wars his team started.

    Now, said news organization just spends its time trying to take down a president that hasn't done half the crap the guy they put on the pedestal has done and absolutely whining about how the let wing media doesn't like very oppressive viewpoints, and then hacking everything that doesn't equal their pay per point of view.

    The left only comes out looking less dirty because the other guys are completely filthy. And the worst part is, it needn't be that way. There's no discourse, you see. One side pushes, the other side pushes back. Sensationalism sells, and that's why every news outlet is freaking terrible now. And it seeps into the politics like raw sewage into ground water.
  9. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I totally agree.
  10. heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah but when the right does something bad the news networks on the opposite side of the bias are pretty quick to attack and even fire people.

    Yeah they can't really stick with the "Obama is a Socialist" thing when at the same time pointing out how he's done nothing this whole time, lol.

    That just really depends on your pov I guess. Neither party looks less dirty to me, ever, lol. And not just because I want to be fair. That's reality as I see it, lol.
  11. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    And it's actually their fault it seems like he's "done nothing", because anytime he TRIES to do something for this country, they step in his way and prevent him from doing so, then he isn't able to deliver, they turn right around and put the blame on him for not doing what he said he would.
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  12. heralde Well-Known Member

    Absolutely, it's all about the party staying in power and nothing about helping the country.
  13. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Hey Drtooth...quit callin' em "news." My namesake is deeply offended. :news:

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  14. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd hate to seem like the quintessential "I watch Jon Stewart" type guy, but they had an entire segment where they interviewed actual Socialists who not only explained why Obama isn't a socialist but even question how socialist their groups are. Then they interviewed a typical squawking head who came off a complete idiot. He was doing that "I'm lying" smile, holding in nervous laughter and he said, I'm not kidding, "I have no proof. It's a feeling."

    People are listening to those guys? They can't even keep their lies straight. No wonder we have a dysfunctional congress and nothing's getting done. The country's being manipulated by big fat liars in the opinion media.

    Personally, I love how the Republicans keep pretending to distance themselves with Lush Limburger, when they not only embraced him, but they basically sit around listening for orders with a "Yes master," like he's Cobra bleeding Commander. Seriously, I love that Family Guy PR puff piece about him. Come on FG writers... this is the kind of person you should be insulting, not putting on a pedestal.
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  15. heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol well it's a funny thing. On a liberal bias show they managed to get conservative lightweights who like saying "it's a feeling." And in turn on a conservative bias shows they'll bring on liberal lightweights who say the same thing.
  16. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one who can't listen to Delilah in daylight? Another thing I hate about DST, when it's still daylight out and she's on the radio, it just feels so weird: that soothing "voice of an angel" voice she has and the nature of her show and everything... it's like listening to lullabyes in the middle of the afternoon, it just doesn't go well together. It makes more sense to listen to her at night when it's dark.
  17. heralde Well-Known Member

    I've only ever listened to Delilah at night while driving and it's always slightly creepy, lol.
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  18. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, in this town, there's only TWO radio stations that are actually consistent: one's a "mix" station (with mostly clean music from the 80s, 90s, and today), the other one's country... all the rest are constantly completely changing every few months or so, but they always end up mostly more country stations, rap/hip-hop, or talk radio... so yeah, given the choices, I'd much rather listen to Delilah as opposed to country (which I'm NOT a fan of, lol).

    Besides, sometimes the "Delilah's Dilemma" stories are actually quite hilarious, like the one I heard some time back that went something like...

    "Dear Delilah, I'm an 88-year-old man, and my wife of over 50 years has left me, she says she needs her space and time to find herself, where does a person my age go to find true love again?"

    Whuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh? :eek:
  19. heralde Well-Known Member

    Wow my Grandma would love that, she was so upset when her country station was shut down.
  20. newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Am I the only one who wonders if Delilah is actually a psychotic serial dogkiller who moonlights as a sappy dj as her cover story?

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