Steve Swanson: Now the Dark Crystal is all those things you said, and right now you're interested in being artsy and all that and I get that, college is great, however the question I have is, is this movie entertaining? And I propose to you no, it is not entertaining. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it creative? Yes. Does it make you wanna build a world? Yes. All those things, it's a yes, but when you come down to the fact that is this movie entertaining, my answer to that is no, and it seems judging from the numbers that an overwhelming number of the audience members that went to this movie would say no as well. That's why I'm not sure we need more of this and it's also why making fun of DC has become sort of a sport alongside the way badminton is sorta a sport. We talk about it and it's kinda cool, fun and creative, but a lot of us really don't like it all that much. JD Hansel: But the thing is, anyone who's intelligent can recognize that not every movie has to be entertaining. There's no reason why every movie or TV show must exist specifically and solely for entertainment. You can have films that exist for a variety of purposes. Steve grumbles: Maybe. JD: I know you hate that thought, but I study film, so I actually had to watch movies that aren't just designed for entertainment. Steve: Hold on though, Hansel, cause I study music. I can talk about atonal rows, Schoenberg, all these crazy musical theory models where you're getting the tone row, and Hillary Mukivitz and a couple other people, you know what I'm talking about. You know the pain of atonal music and you know who horrible it sounds. Actually, maybe some of you like it, but not many people. It exists because it's a mathematical form, a valid form of expression, there's a form, reason, rhyme to it and all that stuff, but at the end of the day, it's not entertaining music and it's not something that most people get meaning out of, and that's what I'm saying. DC is the tone row of films. It's not all that entertaining, that's what I'm actually saying. It's very interesting and intricate, but I don't revere it to the same extend. I don't hold it as dear to my heart as many of Jim's other projects. I still love Jim, I still love all of his work, but I think DC was in a weird way a move forward in so many ways, but as an audience member who wanted to be entertained, I think it was kinda a miss and that's why I'm not sure we need more of it.