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The Secrets of Labyrinth

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by AbsorbedByPsych, Oct 7, 2004.

  1. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Alright, so my boyfriend (Dreamy! :flirt: ) bought me the deluxe wamadine edition of Labyrinth for my birthday. :excited:
    Anyhow, I watched it with him that night and since he had only watched it once growing up he was asking me a lot of questions which got me to thinking.
    What do you think Labyrinth isreally about? On the surface it is a kid's flick, but the more you watch it the more you see.
    What I mean is, that the lyrics to the songs are quite telling, it seems that Jareth wants compainionship at heart and he doesnt seem to like his appointed (?) posistion as Goblin King.... he doesn't look like a goblin so maybe he is there against his will.... are we supposed to think that?
    This Jareth/Sarah relationship that never was has spawned thousands of fan fictions over the years, so there must be something to it.
    So, do you think Terry Jones and the Henson team wanted there to be subliminal sexuality to the plot or do we as fans see more than intended? :confused:
  2. alorindanya

    alorindanya Member

    Well, I have friends who are friends with Tony Visconti, who is one of David Bowie's producers. He told them just last month that while Labyrinth was in production, David told him not to let his 10 year old daughter watch it because it was too sexual.

    Makes you wonder what was left out.

    But I don't think Terry Jones would have wanted anything like that in the plotline. But even Jim said that this story was about a girl going from childhood to womanhood.
  3. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Groovy to know. I guess what I was really wondering, not that you didnt answer my question, just to keep conversation going, is this:
    So the story is about a girl's journey from childhood to womanhood.... do you think that was always the idea. I have read the orginal screenplay but it was years ago and I cant find it online anymore. (I remember that in the end Jareth turns into a bird and flies away... not an owl some other kind)
    Anyhow, the way that I see Labyrinth is that it is a story about a very lonley man who needs a companion, moreso than Sarah needs to pass a test.
    And a note on the ending, what do you think it is about? The characters she met are deemed not make belive, since they reappear in her world... and Jareth is on the outside looking in, was this to imply that he is still watching her, or just to reitterate that he was not part of her fantasy anymore?
    I guess in the end, while I like the movie I find its message muddled. A girl becomes so irrational that she wishes her baby brother away to what she thinks is an imanginary place only to find that he real goblin king wears tight pants and wants her... but she will need to inlist the help of three other male figures who are not in anyway sexual beings... she later gets drugged and seems to fall in love with the man who has brought her so much misery only to realize that he has no power over her.... so where is the growing up (other than in the blatent scenes where she figures out that things aren't fair but that's the way it is)

    Oooo and one more thing... did you ever notice that in the end the speech she practiced so well in the park was not said correctly? She skips the line "to bring back the child you have stolen" I wonder if this is intentional or if at that point in the movie her motive had changed.
    Sorry about typos folks. :cry:
  4. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Oh I totally want to know what was left out, why dont you think any of that was on the $50 DVD? There can't be another one coming out anytime soon. :boo:
  5. JaniceFerSure

    JaniceFerSure Active Member

  6. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

  7. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I havn't seen it yet. I have been informed that it is too wierd for my liking. Does it have much magic in it?
  8. Lisa D

    Lisa D New Member

    The "weirdness" factor isn't as high as Dark Crystal, or even Storyteller. The magic exists more in the characters look, and species names (goblins, fairies ect.). Although the premise of the movie is extremely magical, the relationships and behavior of most of the characters are very down-to-earth and real. It's worth renting at the very least.
  9. alorindanya

    alorindanya Member

    Yes.

    I think the way the film ended, "the Confrontation" as we Laby fanatics like to call it--especially Sarah skipping the "to take back the child that you have stolen" line--is about Sarah realizing that she was immature and needed to face her responsiblities. It was her responsiblity to get back Toby because it was her wish had had him taken away. Jareth did as SHE ASKED. He didn't steal anything.

    I think you might find the message of the film muddled because although Sarah learned her responsiblities, she still held onto her fantasy's, as shown with her admitting that she still needed Hoggle by saying "I don't know why, but every now and again in my life, for no reason at all, I need you."

    As for Sarah being the only female, well, her biggest temptation came from Agnes, who is a female goblin. The growing up Sarah did was just facing the fact that the world didn't revolve around her.
  10. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Oh wow I forgot about Agnes. I suppose that it would be hard to say that it isnt one of my favorite movies, it is, but after watching it again after about two years of Laby celibacy it was weird to try and explain it to my boyfriend.
    Honestly, I think that Labyrinth is one of those movies that could have done well with a sequel, there are a lot of characters mid way through development (I am not bashing the char. development, I am just saying.... Why does Hoggle know the ins and out of the Labyrinth? Who appointed Jareth? Who appointed Didymus as the bridge keeper? Does Toby remember anything? Did Jareth really care for her?)
    A sequel would have been awesome.
    I know that I am obsessive. It's just my style. :rolleyes:
  11. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Agnes however was not the temptaion, she just brought Sarah home. Home was the temptation, whereas Jareth himself was the tempting option in his case.

    Also, Agnes was one of Jareth's tricks to keep her brother (and consequently her?) in the Labyrinth. It would seem that Agnes had no personal goal in tempting Sarah with anything.
  12. AbsorbedByPsych

    AbsorbedByPsych New Member

    Shedding some light

    Here is an excerpt of the orginal screenplay (thanks again for the link)


    SARAH is looking for JARETH. She spots him and sees him whisper
    something to his partner who smiles knowingly from beneath her mask
    and licks her lips. SARAH blushes and turns away and finds herself
    looking into another mirror. But in the reflection, JARETH isn't with
    a partner. He is standing alone, the DANCERS a whirling blur around
    him, and he is looking straight at her. SARAH, whirling around to
    face the crowd and she sees JARETH with yet a third BEAUTY. And then
    she realizes that it is herself! In a trance-like state she moves
    through the CROWD to get a better look.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    SARAH'S POV - She is whirling in JARETH's arms, and she is the most
    beautiful woman at the ball. JARETH smiles down at her and the
    attraction between them is palpable.

    JARETH: You look like a queen.

    SARAH looks up at him, thrilled by his words.

    SARAH: I ... I feel like ... I ... don't know what I feel ...

    JARETH (smiling): Don't you?

    And he whirls her around dizzyingly, so dizzyingly that she swoons in
    his arms. He catches her before she can fall very far, tightening his
    grip around her waist.

    SARAH: Are we ... are we in a bubble?

    JARETH: Yes, we are. A dream bubble ... where your dreams can come
    true.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    OUR SARAH is being jostled by the crowd. She stumbles and almost
    falls on top of a COUPLE on a bench. The WOMAN is sprawled across the
    lap of the MAN who wears a mask with a very phallic nose. SARAH backs
    away from them, frightened.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    JARETH and SARAH, dancing. She is smiling up at him, he has never
    looked more handsome. There is something more open about him, as if
    he, too, is caught up in the moment. He nuzzles her hair with his
    lips and whispers in her ear.

    JARETH (whispering): My Queen!

    Then he begins a song. A song that tells SARAH he will give her
    everything she wants, even things she doesn't know she wants. A song
    that says forget it all; all the restrictions, all the powerlessness.
    Forget and stay in the dream.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    OUR SARAH watches, mesmerized. But every time she tries to get closer
    to JARETH and SARAH she in jostled by a lascivious ADMIRER, pushed
    out of the way by WOMEN laughingly being chased by MEN. She stumbles
    against a wall and a door opens. Inside, pillow feathers are flying
    and she can't make out what the SEVERAL PEOPLE are doing. A WOMAN
    comes up to the doorway, winks at SARAH, and closes the door.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    JARETH finishes the song and SARAH looks up at him, smiling. He moves
    his face closer to hers and she closes her eyes. His face comes
    closer, and closer.

    ANOTHER ANGLE

    OUR SARAH shrinks back from what she is seeing. She turns and runs,
    pushing herself though the languid CROWD, right into the bubble
    itself.

    57 EXT: BALL - NIGHT

    SARAH comes crashing through the bubble and the whole ballroom
    crumbles. In seconds it resembles nothing so much as a junkyard.



    So it would seem that people did want there to be sexual tension.... hmmmm

    In fact later during the "confrontation" she lands in his bed.

    INT: JARETH'S CHAMBERS - NIGHT

    SARAH falls right on to a magnificent huge bed. Opposite her JARETH
    sits in a chair. FREDDIE, wrapped in a blanket, is gurgling on his
    lap. SARAH reaches into her pocket and pulls out the watch. It is a
    few minutes before 13. JARETH stands up.

    JARETH: There's still time.

    He gestures to a clock on the wall that shows the same time as her
    watch. He places FREDDIE into a cradle and comes over to the bed. He
    looks down at her.

    JARETH: Besides, I'm no longer interested in having a little goblin
    prince. I've decided I'd much rather have a queen.

    He looks into her eyes for a moment. SARAH doesn't look away.
    Instead, she slowly eases herself off the bed and stands facing him.

    SARAH (archly): A queen? Have you chosen anyone I know.

    She glides by him and walks to the window. JARETH chuckles
    appreciatively.

    JARETH: You've come a long way, little girl.

    SARAH looks out at the labyrinth.

    SARAH: I certainly have.

    She turns to face him.

    JARETH: Yes, I can see it in your eyes. (he moves closer to her) No
    one else has ever made it this far in the labyrinth, no one else has
    ever been worthy ...

    He takes her hand and brings it to his lips. She smiles
    down at him.

    SARAH: What's your offer.

    JARETH stands quickly and looks at her. She certainly has come a long
    way!

    JARETH: Why, everything ... you'll rule by my side.

    SARAH: Everything? The chance to spend my life surrounded by
    repulsive goblins ... the chance to torment innocent creatures ...

    JARETH (shaking his head): ... the chance to never have a care in the
    world, to never have to do anything that you don't want to do.

    SARAH looks at him.

    SARAH: Anything else?

    JARETH (smiling): Why, me. Of course.


    *I am such a dork*
  13. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    Hoggle, Ludo and Sir Didymous represent more than just fantastic creatures who help Sarah on her journey.

    Hoggle represents (in Freudian terms) Sarah's id. He represents impulsiveness and the desire for immediate satisfaction. He is greedy (regarding his jewelry, "Them's mine!"), he is crude (urinating in the fountain when Sarah first sees him) and he would rather dispose of his problems rather than cope with them (spraying the fairies and killing them). On top of this, he is a coward. His selfishness and self involvement reflects Sarah's own actions in the beginning of the movie towards her brother Toby.

    Ludo represents Sarah's ego, the conscious part of the psyche that is most aware of external reality. Sarah feels ganged up on by her parents, much the same way that she first finds Ludo in the labyrinth: hanging upside down and being beaten with sticks. Sarah feels like a victim, and is unsure how to behave. She hates being the victim, but she can do nothing but hang helplessly and moan and grumble, figuratively speaking. Ludo is huge, very independent and very much an individual-something that separates him from many creatures in the labyrinth and they are traits he shares with Sarah, who wants the world to notice and revolve around her.

    Sir Didymous represents Sarah's superego. Subconsciously, Sarah knows that she is ultimately responsible for Toby's protection. Like Sir Didymous, she lashes out against people before thinking about what the effects of her actions will have against those who would only try to help her. Sir Didymous (responsibility) is small, a stark contrast to Ludo. The battle between Ludo and Sir Didymous represents Sarah's struggle to cope with both responsibility and selflessness. When neither wins the battle, it is Sarah's realization that taking on responsibility does not have to be torture.

    Back to the id. Hoggle would avoid eternal displeasure by giving Sarah a cursed peach. He regrets his actions after things go bad, the same way Sarah immediately regrets wishing Toby away. They each show immediate desire to amend their decisions by embarking on a journey to assist the person they wronged. Hoggle's selfless act at the end of the movie despite thinking that he will never be forgiven is Sarah's awakening. Selflessness is heroism and from that point forward, Sarah will never shun her responsibilities again (she seems to prove this by placing her Lancelot bear in Toby's crib, the same bear that she was so upset about in the beginning of the movie).


    I'm no psychoanalyst. I just came up with this stuff off the top of my head, applying what I learned from one basic psychology course four or five years ago. Feel free to make fun of me all you want. At least I managed to pass some time. :D
  14. alorindanya

    alorindanya Member

    That's an interesting take on everything and makes a bunch of sense...if the Labyrinth were all in Sarah's head. I'd like to think it was real.
  15. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    Yeah, don't take anything I said to heart. Labyrinth is a fantasy tale, and anything is possible in fantasy. I was just blowing psychoanalytic junk...I don't take stock in any of it. It's just fun to spout off from time to time. :)
  16. alorindanya

    alorindanya Member

    I totally had no idea of who you were...I didn't even read the name of who wrote that! I hope you don't think I meant your points aren't valid, they certainly are. I'm just part of a Labyrinth fandom and some of them have come up with pretty far out (and valid) theories of how it was all in Sarah's head. I take everything with a grain of salt.

    Your analysis is awesome for you to come up with on a whim if you aren't a complete Labyrinth fanatic.
  17. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    Though I do appreciate Labyrinth for everything that it is, I can not call myself a fanatic. I take no offense to any comments you made, and I'm glad you were not offended. :halo:
  18. Infinity Sirius

    Infinity Sirius New Member

    I think Docnzhoss, but something about the Labyrinth should always remain fantastic.
  19. Docnzhoss

    Docnzhoss Active Member

    I absolutely agree, Infinity Sirius, which is why I wrote that psychoanalytic mumbo jumbo mostly in jest. Labyrinth is a fantasy and a coming of age story all at once. Sarah endures a fantastic adventure and meets many fantastic beings and all the while realizing her responsibilities and maturing into womanhood. Whether the occurrances are imaginative (in Sarah's mind) or if she actually endures them makes no difference. The outcome of the story is the same.
  20. JaniceFerSure

    JaniceFerSure Active Member

    I just watched the dvd,letterbox version of Labyrinth last night,and oh my goodness what an amazing treat.To be able to see the movie widescreen(how it's shown in the theaters),restored & to be able to see all of the details and scaleness of the sets was an eyefest.Plus,to be able to see the rest of the screen,and what else is on the set,made me go 'Wow!' quite a lot.I found a few of the hidden Jareth faces(something I couldn't do with regular screen format).Now,I can fully appreciate once again,why I've loved Labyrinth so much over the years.:cool:


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