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The State of the Jim Henson Company

Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by frogboy4, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Around the web it appears that people have many opinions about the projects coming out of the Jim Henson Company. There's the good - Fraggle Rock movie, Puppet Up, Emmet Otter stage musical and a proposed Dark Crystal sequel, the relatively new - Sid the Science Kid, Pajanamals and the Scrumps, and the controversial - Tinseltown, Unstable Fables and the Blue Elephant CG release. Of course Sesame Workshop and Disney are hard at work with Sesame Street and Muppet Show Muppets that carry on Jim's legacy, but how much is the Henson Company? :)

    Personally I think recent efforts have been spotty. Mirrormask should never have been their initial post-Muppet-sale film offering. It should have been a Sci-Fi Channel picture at most. But they appear to be setting things right with making a Fraggle Rock motion picture and getting more puppets (traditional and digital) out there. I hope some of the cartoons they slap the Henson label on are helping to fund their company's more quality projects, but I have to admit to not being wild about them. :scary:

    :search: Here's a link to a video creature shop promotional clip that offers snips from old and new projects alike. Any thoughts?
  2. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Active Member

    I couldn't agree more Frogboy :)
  3. muppet baby

    muppet baby Active Member

    you know frogboy i agree with you here to somewhat because of the fact that , yes some of the things that have come out have come out flat , but i knew at some point that the company would go though a slump , just as anything does say book authors , and other tv production companies . ( the simposns for example ) they have been around for so long that sometimes they just get the slump . Jim was so great though with the muppets no one could totally feel his shoes .

    Some where along the way though things will pick up think Jim's son will see to that.

    I still like the recent movies even though they where not as good as the organals . Muppets from space and Muppet wizard of oz . I still love them though have them on dvd love the muppets no matter what i know i must be crazy but it is the truth they have seen me though to much
  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That's very true, everyone goes through a slump, nothing to be ashamed of. :) And yeah we can't assume Jim's work can be redone so easily.
  5. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    I think that the over all quality is not the same as back when Jim was running things. But they are doing okay in my opinion. Not the best and not the worst. I think they can get back on their feet again.:)
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I can't say if everything their doing now is good or bad, but I can say it just doesn't feel as if the company is as 'there' as it use to be. And most of my memories, since Mr. Henson died when I was very young, are from after his death in the first place so...I dunno, it just does not feel as together :(
  7. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    That and changes within Disney's management--from Walt's family (namely desendant, Roy Disney) to Eisner & Bob's people--hasn't helped, considering they seem content to follow the current trends, a lot of which has been hit or miss at best, anyway.
  8. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I liked the early 90's muppets, I really did...:(
  9. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    I did too. Perhaps the fact that Sesame's scaled back Elmo's role is a message telling us that good changes are on the way. XD
  10. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Umm... Pooh, Jamie and the others are talking about the projects done by The Jim Henson Company, not Disney and Sesame Workshop. I think you're confused. :smirk:

    But I feel the Henson Company is trying to find their footing again. Without the Muppets there to keep them steady they've lost some of their balance. They're trying to regain that again with more Fraggle Rock exposure, more Puppet Up! and these Fairy-Tale specials on DVD. I'm really not sure how well any of that is working... I think as of now Fraggle Rock is their best bet. I did recently see a clip of Sid the Science Kid, however, and that looked impressive too. I think they found the right thing there too.
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    True. There has been much talk about Sesame Workshop and the Disney-owned Muppets, but the Jim Henson Company doesn't have those to prop up their brand anymore. This thread is about how and what Henson is doing without these once crown-jewels. They have the fantasy properties, the Fraggles, some new children's CG properties and a new alternative adult division. ;)
  12. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    I think the company has been trying to reinvent itself too much, and you know what? It needs to. Fresh, innovative thinking and moving forward is a good thing, but I think they have been going about it the wrong way. Jim Henson did things that people are copying till this day. Puppetry has not been the same since the Muppets came on to the scene. I haven't seen the Unstable Fables or... well... any of the new CG stuff (except for Sid the Science Kid and Mirrormask if you count that) but it just seems like they're following the Shrek trend.

    It should be about half and half between the old and the new. I know Disney owns the Muppets now, but I think the Jim Henson company should pursue more traditional puppetry. The Fraggle Rock movie sounds like a good direction to me. And I am not alone in saying this (my World Mythology professor agreed with me): I would love to a new Storyteller series. Something serious with puppetry that would get people interested in legends, mythology, and fairy tales without parodying them.
  13. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    So basically Fairie Tale Theatre, but with puppets? Cool!
  14. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Well, my professor and I were discussing the Storyteller Greek Myths, which we watched in class. We both agreed that it would be interesting to see myths from other countries that have interesting mythology that people rarely think about. One thing I loved about the Storyteller is that the stories were based on fairy tales that aren't as known in the US.
  15. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Such as the Greek tales before Hercules came about.
  16. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Even then, Greek mythology has always been in the public eye more than other mythologies. But I that is probably be due to how big of an impact ancient Greece and Rome had on Western civilization in general.
  17. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Too true.
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah like Norse myths are fascinating but not as well known.
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I feel JHC has been spreading itself too thin with diversifying before rebuilding its foundation. The first thing out of the gate should have been the development of the Fraggle movie followed by maybe a Labyrinth video game or animated program (to accompany the fabulous Neca figures) followed by the Dark Crystal sequel. Instead we get these funky manga things that don't have any of Jim's original spark. It's like the difference between the classic Looney Tunes and some disposable Baby Looney Tunes comic. Those Tokyo Pop people have greatly displeased this fan. It's just not Labyrinth or Dark Crystal no matter what the title says. :scary:

    I think JHC is getting back on track. I like that they have different divisions, but there's no focus. I would like to see at least one grand project from them. I guess the Fraggle Movie is it.
  20. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    I agree. Though I am extremely biased against Tokyo Pop in the first place, on a creators standpoint.

    I think it's fine for the Jim Henson company to try new things, and they should, but for all of the different, new projects, they just seem... mediocre. I think it's mainly because, as you said, they don't seem to have a focus.

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