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This is how out of touch the company is...

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by The 11th UrRu, May 7, 2008.

  1. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    ... with things today.

    The entire Dark Crystal movie is posted on youtube in 9 parts, it has been there, for free, since March 08, 2007.

    You have got to be kidding me.
  2. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Active Member

    Youtube is a strange place. this is one of those things. As far as i know, youtube deleted almost ALL of the SNL clips that wasn't on the NBC account, yet FULL MOVIES are still up.
    To me there is a diffrence, Clips of a Show: OK, Clips of a Movie: Still Ok,TV Specials: thats Ok Too, One Full Show: OK unless its one that is shown at least once or twice a week and NOT on DVD, Whole Movie: No Matter how rare it is, a whole movie should'nt be put up like that. it makes companys lose alot of money, espessaly if it is already on the market.
    I'm sure the JHC will get around to that, but I think there main focus should be to work on whatever there doing, but then agian, how long does it take to write a letter to Youtube?
  3. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    And people will find a way to get it back on the 'Net even if YT takes it down. It's the way new people are, it seems.
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :) Henson is a very small company. Remember how clunky and incongruent henson.com was until recently? They barely have the capability to handle their own website much less search YouTube for copyrighted content. That's not a criticism, but a good example of how lean the company actually is.

    :eek: This upload likely occurred after the official itunes launch of Henson content. If you are concerned you should contact Apple and Henson via email. I'm sure Apple Inc would be swift in getting the content removed from YouTube. :cool:
  5. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    But would it work? It seems that every time a show or whatever that's copyrighted is removed, it is only a few months later that said same product is back up.
  6. Laszlo

    Laszlo Member

    Who cares about Youtube? I mean the video quality is quite bad.
    Don't think anyone would watch a whole movie there.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Uhhh, I know someone who uploaded the entire "War of the Worlds" film... Steven Speilberg's film, mind you, as well as Independance Day, and hasn't been penilized yet.

    I agree. Youtube is screwed up. You could put an entire first run movie up their, and upload a cartoon from the 80's no one's profiting off of, and chances are, the cartoon from the 80's would be the first thing to be pulled.

    I've even see the Muppet Movie up there. And Follow that Bird. As well as numerous VHS releases of Sesame Street specials. You'd think Disney and SW would have pulled that stuff down by now.
  8. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Very true. :) I'd say Disney's not caring about the Muppets, as it would much rather pull stuff related to Mickey than pull anything of The Frog's.
  9. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    I couldn't care less about TDC being posted on youtube, and it doesn't surprise me that JHC isn't doing anything. They can't even keep us updated on the new 'alleged' sequel, why would they possibly care about one of the most beloved films of all time being in essence, dissected for mass audiences? When Henson & Co can prove that they care about us, perhaps we'll return the favor.

    My allegiance is to art, and not to it's benefactors and stockholders.

    J.M. Prater
  10. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Considering they're working on both the sequel to TDC and the FR film, all of that is doing to take time, effort, and a lot of hard work. As such, they might not have the time to constantly update or be able to check and see if YT is accidentally allowing one of its properties onto the site.
  11. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Active Member

    I don't think anyone from the MHC or JHC goes on youtube to see if any of there stuff goes on there a lot. I mean tons of people upload videos on youtube just about everyday or probably everyday, I would think it would be hard for the people behind youtube to manage what is getting upload.

    Besides as mention before why would anyone want to spend that much time wacthing a movie from youtube?

    I remember awhile back too reading something about how World Wrestling Entertainment was going after youtube for posting there copyrighted stuff, which would now include stuff from many other wrestling companies. I guess it didn't to much to take youtube down though or maybe they came to some sort of agreement, I don't know.
  12. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    Its not about that, its about protecting and respecting the work. Copyrighted stuff gets posted on there all the time, but every company gets a hold of youtube to get it taken down within days, if not hours. Thats been there over a year. They rereleased the movie during the past year, the itunes agreement took place, and its sitting there for free.
  13. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    Im not really concerned people can see it there, Im more concerned about the fact that the company itself hasnt asked to have it taken down. Every other company would have been on that right away, time to get with the times... a clip here and there OK, but the whole movie? Thats not public domain, it makes it look like they dont care. I dont think thats the case, I think they might (until now) not even know its there, I can't decide which is worse.
  14. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    haha, of course this thread wouldnt be complete without Prater chiming in. Im with you on this, as you know already.

    They need to hire someone to blog for them or something, it would be a start, a stepping stone towards pproper communication in this day and age. If they did their job right, the first thing that person would do is say, "you know, for a fantasy/adventure type entertainment company, the pdf press releases on the front page arent all that exciting, we may want to get rid of that..."
  15. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    The more I think about it, the more I realize that it might be time to get some answers. I mean, as frustrated as I get, it's not like I (or any of us) know whats going on over on their end.

    I think it may be time to try and organize some communication with the company to voice any concerns and ask any questions we have and hopefully learn a bit about their plans, goals, vision and how they operate as a group. It wouldn't just have to be about concerns, it could be about anything you might want to know about the company in general.

    Id be happy to compile a list of questions from the community, and even though it says on the official site that they dont answer non-business/media inquiries, Im sure I could find a way to get it through and get some dialogue going. Ive done this for a pro sports team before and we came out of that meeting with management a million times more informed than we were going in, the whole thing was overwhelmingly positive and a lot of our concerns were either laid to rest or explained to the point that we understood why things are the way they are. Anyone interested?
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I also think, maybe not in this case, that some companies view these low resolution YouTube unauthorized distributions as free promotional tools. They keep these properties fresh and in the public arena long after they've sunken from the mainstream view. There is more than one way to think about it. Personally I don't support pirated content that can be purchased in a store, but hard to find specials that will never see the light of day...well, that's another matter.

    I think Henson's lack of focus on piracy doesn't mean they don't care about fans or their films. I don't make that connection. They're just moving forward with their energies. It would be nice for them to deal with some of these issues, but I really don't think they have the capability.
  17. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    With as small a company as Team Henson is, this is true.

    Well, the quality might not be 100% as effective as watching it on DVD or what have you, but it is decent enough to warrant a viewing.

    Well, ever since the end of The Attitude Era & the beginning of The InVasion Era, everything from WWF, WCW, and ECW (both the original and the new WWECW) fall under the WWE banner. To break it down, the reason the "E" is so swift in getting its stuff removed is because it now has its own YouTube account that can monitor what is being posted and how much. Of course, even that doesn't stop the millions...and millions of fans from posting old-school stuff from the company's past. ^_^

    *snaps ala Ken Shamrock and tries to get at YouTube management to make sure they step up their game about what makes it through their system, copyrighted or not*
  18. JMPrater

    JMPrater Member

    I'm with you 11th Uru. I have an email to the Henson company Publicist, so if people are interested, we can organize something and all sign it and send it her way. Or we could start a post here, everyone chime in, signing their posts and then send that in an email to Henson & Co.

    Let me know,
    JMP
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually, they don't seem to be pulling stuff related to the Mouse either. But then again, a lot of those are Disney Afternoon cartoons. And I'm golad they're up there, since I don't know if Disney intends to release the rest of some of those series to DVD.
  20. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Agreed. The same applies to Peanuts, for ever since Shultz died, a lot of the specials are so far in between that they're hardly aired anymore.


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