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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mr3urious, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It seems that some pages are more even handed than that one. Maybe I'm not getting something, maybe I need to watch a lot of that series (or at least what can be attained) but it seems that certain pages that sort of need an even hand are filled up by fans who gush about things. Like a certain movie about wolves.

    I don't see why Zim isn't a Nicktoons staple, considering they're still selling T's at Hot Topic with Gir on them. Real Monsters is more of a The Splat thing.
     
  2. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    In Star Wars: A New Hope (ep. IV), Grand Moff Tarkin informs the Imperial officers that the Emperor has just dissolved the former Republic's Senate and that in addition to control by Imperial governors "fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this battle station." Admiral Motti says that the Death Star "is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it." Vader warns him "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." Motti retorts with "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you enough clairvoyance to find the rebels' hidden fortre-" just before Vader Force-chokes him, only to be stopped by Tarkin.

    One of the subordinate officers suggests "We've analyzed (the Rebel fighters') attack, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?" Tarkin: "Evacuate in our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."

    Meanwhile, only two of the X-wing Red squadron successfully manage to approach the Death Star's thermal exhaust port: Red Leader, who keeps his navigational computer turned on, only for his torpedoes to miss the mark just before he gets shot down, and Luke Skywalker (Red-5), who turns off his navigation at the urging of Obi-Wan Kenobi's ghost, and even Vader, who manages to survive, remarks "The Force is strong with this one" as Luke trusts the Force, and his one-in-a-million shot (with help from the Force's guidance) successfully blows the Death Star (and the arrogant Tarkin) to countless fragments.

    On the Dark side, those who trusted in the Death Star's power are never heard from again and Vader, whose Dark Force pwoer is second only to the Emperor's, manages to survive, while Luke, who trusts in the Force and deactivates his radar survives, in contrast with Red Leader, whose shot misses in spite of using his radar and gets blown away.

    Is there some sort of specific trope where the Force makes the difference in a battle's outcome?
     
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    So a week ago, I looked at the TVTropes YMMV page on Teen Titans Go, and under Fan Nickname they had an interesting entry that said that the show is referred to as "It's Always Sunny in Jump City."

    Why this is remarkable is because I was referring to the show personally as something similar "It's Always Sunny at Titans Tower." I never knew that others felt exactly this way. Though, to be fair "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" is at least consistently funny.

    Actually, now that I think of it (reason why I'm editing this in) is that I actually saw an episode of IASIP a while back where they were sitting around grumbling that they weren't getting awards or recognition and felt they had to change themselves. Then the Teen Titans episode "Breaking the Fourth Wall" came on and Control Freak was grumbling about how the show should have won awards and got him respect. Hmmmmmmm.... Suppose Beast Boy is Charlie Day? Sapceshipspaceshipspaceshipspaceship.
     
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Looking at the "First Installment Wins" page, I realize that I've missed the point of that one (wouldn't be the first time I missed the point of a trope page). I thought that was for works where the first one is the one that fans generally consider the best (and it listed works where I was pretty sure fans liked the sequels better), but now I see that it's more about how in a franchise, elements from the first one get referenced and parodied a lot more than elements from the sequels and follow-ups.

    Interestingly, while I was looking at the page the other day, shortly before I realized what "First Installment Wins" is really about, I saw it list the '80s/'90s Batman movies, and I was surprised that so many liked the first one better (Batman Returns and Batman Forever have their fans). It's my least-favorite of those Batman movies (okay, maybe I have it tied with Batman and Robin). It says that that one has the most lines quoted, but there aren't really any lines that I remember. Growing up, I remember a lot more from the sequels. Batman Forever is the only one of them that I haven't seen in theaters, but is the only one I had on VHS, and Batman Returns and Batman and Robin are both movies I didn't see in their entirety for years (I saw both at the drive-thru, and fell asleep before both ended) - I wouldn't see Batman Returns again until 2004,and although I would see bits and pieces of Batman and Robin over the years, wouldn't see the whole thing until 2012.
     
  5. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    How do I add (or submit) an example to be posted as part of a particular trope? Let's say that I found a memorable quote that I wanted to post and contribute as an example; what section of the page would I go to in order to submit the example in the hopes that it eventually gets posted on the trope's main page?
     
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I almost wish I was a member of that site so I can add those annoying Crayola commercials I mentioned in another thread to either "We're Still Relevant" or "Totally Radical." But the way D*Snowth goes on about the place, I'm glad I didn't. Though I'd love it if someone did that dirty work for me.
     
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  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Hey, it's That Guy! is supposed to be for when you recognize an actor in something from somewhere else, but I've been noticing that lately people are using it to cover writers and directors - somebody out to go to the trivia sections fo AN AMERICAN TAIL and THE LAND BEFORE TIME, since they were written by SST writers Judy Freudberg and Tony Geiss.
     
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the "First Installment Wins" could apply to works of an actor or behind-the-scenes member. For example, it seems like I Love Lucy is Lucille Ball's best-known show, the one most heavily seen in syndication and home video. The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy were both successful, and all three shows had six seasons each (ILL has more seasons if you count The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour), and yet they don't seem to be as popular. Here's Lucy actually seems to be underrated. I recently saw some episodes, and that show was good (it doesn't have a TV Tropes page). While the first two Lucy sitcoms were shown on Nick at Nite, Here's Lucy was only broadcast on that channel the week I Love Lucy was added to the channel (as part of a marathon that featured every Lucille Ball show, even Life with Lucy).
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's kind of like Sid & Marty Kroffts' stuff: everybody knows H.R. PUFNSTUF, that was their first in a long line of shows with freaky life-sized puppets inhabiting psychedelic worlds. But then it seems like with each new show they did (save for LAND OF THE LOST, which is a special case anyway), they just kept getting weaker and weaker. THE BUGALOOS was a good show, though it wasn't PUFNSTUF. Same with SIGMUND AND THE SEA MONSTERS - it was good, but it wasn't PUFNSTUF. D.C. FOLLIES is perhaps an underrated gem of theirs - it came along much, much later, but at the same time, it was something of a Transatlantic Equivilent of SPITTING IMAGE.
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Evidentally, TV Tropes has entirely done away with the Wallbanger section . . . I know TV Tropes is really cracking down on complaining throughout their Wiki lately, but isn't this going way too far?

    Not only that, but TV Tropes in general seems to really be shifting its gears and becoming more and more saccharine: in the old days, they used to thrive on sarcasm and snarkiness - particularly on subjective pages like YMMV and such - but now, you can actually get in trouble for posting sarcastic entries on pages. They've gotten really strict with their YKTTW drafts too: if it even remotely seems like it's going to be a complainy trope, they'll shoot it down and nuke it immediately.

    But honestly . . . completely doing away with the Wallbanger section? Come on!
     
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Looking at the page for One Froggy Evening, it says that that short as An Aesop to enjoy things instead of trying to profit from them. Has anybody gotten that sense from the short? I never saw that as a lesson in the short. Maybe if the character decided to just appreciate the singing frog instead of trying to make money off his talent, or if the moral was written on-screen.
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Parvum Opus page has been taken down too.

    You know, I get the feeling this is because of internal problems with trouble members, and the mods basically have to come down on them with the old "this is why we can't have nice things" rule. I'm guessing too many edit wars were going on or some members were getting butthurt because their favorite thing was gone over a fine tooth comb for what it really was. Seems that any pages that are negative are of those with little if any defenders or ones that just plain get negative feedback anyway (TTG!, Fan4stic Four, Johnny Test).

    Still, I'm going to miss that Arthur Wallbangers section. While a few I didn't quite agree with, they had some that were a joy to read.
     
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I loved how they had that Wallbangers page divided into two categories: wallbangers caused by D.W. alone, and wallbangers not caused by D.W., lol.

    But anyway, I'm glad I found this thread on their forums, because it's nice to know it's not just me having problems with the moderating staff and that other tropers re being affected as well.
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14511394290A79902500&page=0
     
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    ...and now they're the latest crybabies to whine about browsers using ad block. Oh yeah, I'm the jack^%$ because I don't want Trojan Horse viruses that I don't even have to click on (how thoughtful) to infect my computer. I'm apparently Hitler because I don't want ads disguised as videos that I can't shut off or mute that have to be pre-empted by other ads. You know the ads that make you watch an ad before the ad you don't want to watch starts?

    Seriously, I wish that instead of whining about "Awwww our ad revenue" and how awful everyone who rightfully blocks the ever evolving crappiness of internet ads, these websites would band together and force advertisers to go back to harmless, ignorable, silent banner ads that no one was clicking on anyway. No more crazy conspiracy theories, no loud ad videos, no imbecilic viruses that start up no matter how tech savvy you are. Just safe, non-threatening ads for dumb browser games and fast food items. THEN we can talk about ad block.
     
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I kind of feel like that's why ads keep evolving and getting more sophisticated, because more and more people are using adblockers. But yes, as I've said many times before, trojans hidden in ads are one of the main reasons why I have multiple adblockers on my browser (that and I don't want to sit through commercials to watch YT videos).

    To be fair, at least some sites do offer perks for their pay services aside from ad-free browsing, like how deviantART unlocks additional features for you.
     
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  16. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    TV Tropes also unveiled its redesign that was fully funded through Kickstarter. It's not bad, though it runs a little slower than the previous. Must be from all those ads. :boo:

    And a feature that allows you to hide an ad with a click of a link below. One website I frequent has this function, allowing the sites to have their cake and eat it, too.
     
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Ho ho ho! I found another thread in their forum where one of the mods (and the exact same one who seems to like to suspend me) virtually admitted something I've been trying to call them out on: their inconsistency with rules! Seriously, the guy posted "such-and-such isn't allowed, but we really don't want to waste effort policing it."
     
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I agree on that point. Ads have to be more obnoxious to bypass blocking software, but at the same time the more annoying ads are the reason why everyone uses them. Some sites don't even allow you to use them until you disable ad block...then the Trojan viruses start up again the second you do on that site. I even loved how Hulu gets passive aggressive about it and gives you a 60 second message that whines about how you have ad block on (even if you don't and one of the dumb ads refuses to load). My personal favorite :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: was when the ad block didn't block the ad on Hulu, but blocked the completely useless side frames..and..and the video actually crashed and wouldn't play as a result. And it was specifically a problem with a particularly awful series of Geico commercials (the poorly animated painting gallery ones that sucked). Meaning if you want the rest of the video you'd have to keep refreshing the page and praying that none of those terrible Geico ads popped up again. And they DID! I don't mind banners, I don't even mind short form ads before a video if the video is at least 10 minutes in length (multiple ones between the video, not so much). But if the ads are either dangerous to the computer or loud and obnoxious and can't be silence (and in some cases are literally buried all the way down at the end of a page, causing you to have to fish for whatever loud, obnoxious piece of crap that you can't shut off all the way anyway) the problem lies in the jerks that provide those ads, not the browsers that choose to use Ad Block to prevent their computers from being either paperweights (costing the user in that case) or loud noise machines that air the same lame commercials most ignore on television anyway.
     
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    As I've said before: remember the old days of the internet when you knew a site was an official site because it didn't have ads on it? That's because they didn't need ads, as everything (domain, space, bandwidth, etc.) was paid for by whoever ran the site; fansites that were hosted through servers like Angelfire, Geocities, Freewebs, etc. usually had ads on them because that's what made the sites free in the first place. I've said it before: this is the internet, not cable TV.

    Then again, cable TV was supposedly going to be a commercial-free alternative to regular analog TV . . . I guess because since it was a pay/subscription service, there was no need for commercials then.
     
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I remember a few years ago posting something on TV Tropes about how something had become an Ascended Meme because of Nostalgia Critic (don't remember what it was now), but shortly thereafter a mod deleted that entry I posted, saying that it was a "shoehorned entry." And yet, as I still browse throughout the site, I see more examples on different pages of things becoming Ascended Memes because of Nostalgia Critic, such as Christopher Walken's now-infamous line, "THIS IS NOT OVER! BEARS!!!"

    I'm more and more convinced that they have some sort of a personal vendetta against me over there, because they crack down on me for things that other people do and yet get free passes for.
     


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