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Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by MikeWatt, Nov 26, 2002.

  1. Janice & Mokey's Man

    Janice & Mokey's Man Well-Known Member

    Janice is still hot, just not at her peak "hotness".

    And I actually embrace you in Muppet fan-ness for what you see in Mokey...guess I just see and hear a li'l more...LOL!

  2. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E Well-Known Member

    One thing I should mention (And, in a way, kinda elaborate on Luke's point):
    We live in a different world now. With "idols" like Marylin Manson & Eminem running around, it's hard to make every project another MUPPETS TAKE MANHATTAN or even MUPPET CHRISTMAS CAROL.
    Now; don't think I'm advocatting innapropriate behavior, because I'm not. In fact, I don't think "anything" the muppets have done on TV shows or in film has ben innapropriate! I mean ... You get a muppet dancing in a cage; big deal. We hear Pepe insinuate that Joan Cusack is hot; TOO HOT FOR TV! ;) And Face it; a gay pig is just too **** funny (Plus, how many toddlers really got that joke?):).
    Just be thankful that in a world where rappers preach about having unsafe sex with young girls, internet porn is easier to get ahold of than, well, anything & ******* is still pumping out the lawsuits, Jim Henson's muppets are still here to make us laugh, cry and smile.

    When Mickey Mouse starts sporting the occasional h@rd-on while Minnie's around, and when we get "Pepe the KING Prawn's Guide to Getting Pregnant," gimme a call... ;)
  3. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    punkNpuppets, ngirl23

    Uh...OK....everything is white, she has supernatural powers, and Whoopi says that she "wrote the handbook of the universe," and "works in mysterious ways."

    She may be referred to as "the Boss," but Whoopi is playing God.

    At the imdb, it's quoted as this: "Whoopi Goldberg .... Daniel's 'Boss'"

    The word "Boss" is in quotations, as in "ha ha."

    Whoopi is playing God.

    Good Lord :rolleyes:
  4. C'irdan

    C'irdan Well-Known Member


    Ok, you really need some talking too. Personally I LOVED the idea of Whoopi playing god. She did, Kermit admitted it on TV. I thought this was brilliant and clever and hilarious. This was meant to open your thoughts and to make you less RACIST AND SEXIST MR. CROWE! There is no where I have ever seen in The Bible that has depicted God as anything more physically detailed than "male". And if you really don't find it possible that God is female, then I think you are in a very bad situation! Hey, the bible was written by PEOPLE right? Even if you take it literally, people are always bound to make mistakes and at the time as well as many years later, men dominated women, therefore resulting in the stereotyping of people of high power being men in all situations. I thought that this was very very very genuine and provided a non-religious, but highly meaningful message about prejudice. This is going outside of the stereotype and teaching people something. If this shocked you, you seem to have a problem with difference. And I don't mean to crush you here. Many of us are racist deep down and don't realize it sometimes...I understand if you have been corrupted a little, I'm just saying that you should realize that you were thinking about it in a little bit of the wrong way. Plus it was really cool how she was laid back, old fashioned, and enjoyed watchin Spongebob!!! :D :D :D She had good philosophy as well.:D
  5. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E Well-Known Member

    It's just meant to be fun. Whoopi was great & funny as always, and Heaven in a meadow with God's personal living room is a welcome all-too-common Hollywood version with stars and white smoke
  6. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E Well-Known Member

    A "welcomed alternative" to Hollywood's all-too-common version, that is :)

  7. Rizzo

    Rizzo Active Member

    Who says God is a man OR a woman? God is God. Case closed.
  8. Rizzo

    Rizzo Active Member

    Hey, I just noticed your signature. Are YOU the writer of the "Save the Vault" petition? That was a dumb move by Disney! (Hope Henson doesn't do the same)
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Whoopi as God: I think it was amusing. They needed someone funny to play the part and she did a great job. God (in my understanding) is non a man or a woman. Someone had to play the part and Whoopi worked very clean.

    Scooter's outfit: I just watched the movie again and his pants were really not that short. He basically was wearing a black shirt with a tiny bit of stomach exposed and a pair of black shorts with glow bands around the waist. His dancing may have been a little suggestive, but not really. I think it was just a shock to some fan's systems. I encourage y'all to go back and watch it again. Pause it and see what the image really looks like.

    Pepe's sux comment: I watched that part again and it was really funny. I'm glad they kept it.

    My age: LOL! Yeah, that picture was taken about a year or so ago. It's actually the same photo I use on the new site. 10 years of jamie can be seen in an old school assignment: here I always get a good laugh at that!

    Muppets Take Manhattan and Muppet Christmas Carol: If I could pick old Muppet films to model new ones out of I'd go with the first two: Muppet Movie and The Great Muppet Caper. They really had the most spirit and steam of all their films In my opinion. The others seem luke-warm in comparison to me.
  10. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    LOL. I'd love to see a Muppet film by Glass and Reggio. Unfortunately only about 20 people on the planet would get it. Kermisqatsi has a nice ring to it. I can just hear Al Du Ruiter bellowing out "KERM - ISS - QATSI" in a way only he could :D
  11. murgatoad

    murgatoad Well-Known Member

    If the Muppets want to get "adult" and "edgy", then the best way to do that is NOT to have puppets drool over human body parts. That's lame and never, ever works ("Greg the Bunny", anyone?) All that does is confuse/disgust kids and make grownups uncomfortable. The best thing the Muppets have in that regard is the Kermit/Piggy relationship. There's a sexual undercurrent in that, and yet it retains an innocence that no parent could reasonably object to. And when it's well done (something that's all too rare), it's funny as ****. I remember a Kermit/Piggy interview done years ago with Joan Lunden prior to the premiere of "Muppet Family Christmas". During it Piggy told Joan that Kermit acts reticent about their relationship in public because he's shy. But ( in Piggy's words) "in private - watch out!" Kermit put in boastfully "Yeah, that's what I was gonna say - watch out!" Piggy continued, " We're talking - three days! We're talking - room service!" Joan nearly fell off her chair laughing. The whole "Good Morning America" crew cracked up. My mother, who has little use for puppets, laughed so hard she choked. A fine Muppet moment.

    Sadly, also one of the last...
  12. Joggy

    Joggy Well-Known Member

    A few replies:

    Scarecroe said: "Joggy, the Muppets have always used implied sex humor."

    Your first statement is true; however, there is a bit of a difference between Piggy trying to court a male guest star on the old Muppet Show and Muppets commenting openly on boobs or suggesting pornographic actions like cage dancing. I'm not mentioning the late night guest appearances like Kermit talking to Jaye Leno about as he called it "touchy, uhm, difficult subjects" because kids normally do not watch these. Those are meant for adult viewers.

    A Christmas movie like this is usually for the whole family. Someone suggested parents to watch it before showing it to their children - isn't it sad that a great tradition has to have warnings beforehand?

    Scarecroe also said: "The only reason why it's done so blatantly these days is because people have sadly become even more stupid and likely won't get the smarter implied sex jokes."

    Too true. Anyone seen the episode of Dinosaurs "Network Genius"? Earl Sinclair was in charge of the TV programming and all the shows he put on literally dumbed down the entire society in one night. It was a funny and satiristic comedy episode; however they were trying to make a point into the real world. TV, as many other media, is dumbening people down, and I think that is serious business. Therefore it is so important that TV can also show good quality things. Jim Henson tried to make a difference with these characters; he even wanted to create a series that would bring peace to the world (Fraggle Rock). Now they're just the same old dirty amusement you see on Jerry Springer.

    Cory said: " Ack...dont make the mistake I did about KSY! I heard so much bad buzz about KSY I lamblasted it before I even saw it, and boy was I wrong."

    That's a different situation from mine because you thought KSY would be plainly a bad and boring movie to watch. To me this is a matter of right and wrong.

    Luke said: " Henson cannot and will not stay afloat if they continue to cater to kids - and the people who own them will not let this happen."

    You're talking about finances here, and this is what it's come down to. Henson is just a company. They used to have many child viewers they treated wonderfully, now they're just dropping them, unprepared, in order to get more money. Isn't that heartless? What would I do in their place? Like you said, go on with Hoobs and Bear, and stop with the Classic Muppets, or either keep going the same direction. Let Kermit be an old celebrity who appears on a show every once in a while and create a NEW bunch of characters who get away with everything.

    Finally - Kermit having suicidal thoughts? Geez. No matter how many dead characters like Scooter and Janice have made a comeback, I do not want to see this movie. I realise I might love it, but I think I won't be able to watch it without seeing pictures of traumatized kids in my head.
  13. Janice & Mokey's Man

    Janice & Mokey's Man Well-Known Member

    Bring back Joggyyyyyyy!

  14. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member


    C'irdan: I'm not going to defend myself typing away at this board explaining how I'm NOT a bigoted misogynist; I'm too busy with other stuff right now.

    I produce my own 8-page magazine every month and I take my writing seriously. To some, they just type whatever is on their minds as opposed to speaking it with their mouth. Me--I think about every word I choose. I write every day, and I'm working on stuff for my own puppet characters that I'm trying to get on the internet. Thus, I always imagine precisely what I would do if I were at the meetings with the writers of these Muppet projects.

    I would shy away from any specific depiction of God. Oh, why? Because I'm like Jim Henson in that way. Remember the episode of the Muppet Show that had Harry Belafonté as a guest? The one with the singing African masks? Henson went to the extra trouble to make certain that the masks didn't accidentally look like any masks used in any group's religion, so as not to offend anyone.

    I would have had talking stars representing the angels, and a deep voice representing God.

    If I were writing an American Christmas television special, I would not have anyone playing God, white or otherwise, but if I were forced to, I wouldn't choose a woman. A WOMAN. It's always "Him" and "His" word, and "He" did this or that.

    They chose a black woman to shake things up a little more, and I say that because personally, I found the character of God to be capricious. I mean, she gave more of a dammm about watching Spongebob than she did about Kermit's misery! THAT'S DISGUSTING! You have to be an intellectual to be able to read things like that.

    The character was flying on Whoopi's celebrity reputation as a smartasss: it was a sloppy way to write for "God."

    Further, I am well aware of the long tradition of religious tyranny meted out by white Europeans. I never said I agreed with it-I don't. I was trying (in vain, it seems) to criticize the writing within the context of our Western religious culture.

    Look, the bottom line here is that you're 14 years old, and you don't understand what I'm trying to say, and you don't know what you're talking about.

    If you want to continue to insult me, go ahead---out of respect for the moderator of this forum, I'm not arguing about this with you any further. This is my last word and I mean it.

    Go on, have fun having the last word...it's all yours :rolleyes:

    Rizzo: "Who says God is a man OR a woman? God is God. Case closed."

    I NEVER SAID that God was a man. I said that he was DEPICTED as a man, and not to blame me for over 2000 years of those depictions. I didn't say that I didn't respect other interpretations of a supreme being, but the special was about CHRISTmas, and in the Christian Bible, God is referred to as "HIM."

    NOW........the case is really closed.
  15. punkNpuppets

    punkNpuppets Well-Known Member

    now that's just wrong
  16. DramaQueen86

    DramaQueen86 Well-Known Member

    To Sidcrowe:

    "I NEVER SAID that God was a man."

    If you think about it, God made man in his image, then made woman. If God made Adom in his image, then wouldn't that make God atleast look like a man? ;)
  17. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E Well-Known Member

    <<Hey, I just noticed your signature. Are YOU the writer of the "Save the Vault" petition?>>

    I'm the founder of the DC petition on petitionpetition.com

    Go to the campaign page on Yahoo Groups; you'll all find a link there.
  18. murgatoad

    murgatoad Well-Known Member

    Ahhh, somebody else who "just doesn't get it" ;)
  19. Misfit Toy

    Misfit Toy Well-Known Member

    Well, I go to church and in the Bible it's never said anything other than "Him" "His" "He" "Father" etc. etc. So the Bible really made it clear that God's a male. Well, that is the God of the Bible and that's a different case if you even believe the Bible or not...despite the fact it's completely consistent and records actual information of ancient times in Isreal, that you can find outside of the Bible.

    And Jesus wasn't some perfect white guy...he was a Jewish person, and in WWII Jewish people were killed as we know because they weren't an "Aryan" or "pure" race...they were a dark minority and FAR from those paintings in the Catholic church where He's depicted as a white dude with a beard- that's just the painter's fault or the early European's ideas of supremacy, which is disgusting.

    In my opinion, I don't think there should have been a "God' in the movie, because I think that it's innappropriate for little foam puppets to be concerning themselves with that. I don't mind Whoopie Goldberg at all, and I'm NOT racist in the least (I can't stand racism at all...people around me growing up were very racist and I couldn't stand it!). Maybe the whole thing should have never happened...it created more suspision/strife than what it set out to do.

    All in all, I think it was a poorly made film using our beloved characters as a cheap ride to good ratings. Even if it put the Muppets back in the spotlight...they're Muppets that I really *didn't like*.
  20. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Misfit Toy :)

    Anyhoo, to change the subject for a bit (at least I'll try), did you all like that mention from Kermit about "Muppet internet fan sites?"

    Y'all KNOW that was for us :D

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