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Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Nov 20, 2013.
Or using each other as a ladder to go down to the bad guys in GMC!
Okay... I can say without hyperbole, that this movie is going to blow The Muppets out of the water. In fact, I'd say so much as The Muppets was made just so this movie could happen. To ease casual fans back into the franchise then hit them with this. This trailer already looks far more epic than the last film, and the last film was good.
Ty Burrel's character is already my favorite in the movie. Looks like he could have done a much better job than Steve Martin as being Inspector Clouseau in the Pink Panther remakes. His play off with Sam is already amazing.
Looks great. This gives me some thing to look forward to this spring.
Every time I watch it, Constatine looks like Yoda in the scene where he's jumping out of prison in his 'Jedi-coat'.
Definitely agree. This looks like it's going to one up the last movie in a lot of ways.
For one, while the humans are billed as the stars on many promotional materials, at least in these trailers, they come off as sidekicks in the classic Muppet tradition, and good ones at that.
The trailers also seem to sell that this movie will edgier and darker. I guess if we're still comparing this to Great Muppet Caper, the feel of the movie can probably be summed up in this one Kermit quote: "There could be physical violence, there could be gunplay, ...and there's the slightest chance that somebody might even get killed." Though I wouldn't count on that last one.
Also, I'm as surprised as anybody that they were able to use a licensed Sesame Street clip, let alone for trailers.
Well, Sesame has permission to use old Kermit clips as segments on SS, so it makes sense that it would work in Disney's favour as well. The clip probably didn't even cost that much to obtain in the first place.
For another, we also don't have to establish or re-establish anything. The Muppets did that job, and now it's time to lie back and have some real fun with the plot. The story line seems a little more focused and coherent, which was my only major complaint with the last movie. The whole, getting in everything they could into 90 minutes and losing a lot in the process. Hopefully now the edits are mostly throwaway scenes and not major guest star cameos or plot points which really should have been left in. 1 minute of song would have had the movie make just that much more sense, all I'm saying.
1. The human characters are ON THE SIDE. As they should be. And look actually funny. I like Segal, but he was just hamming up way too much screen time. And the world he inhabited was just too surreal and distracting for a muppet film. Ty and Ricky are so perfect in this, I have no words
2. The characters are established, so we are back to these more subdued realistic moments. Fozzie and Walters bit at the end of the trailer alone works so well. The first movie was so ADHD, "hey look at us! were in a movie! Hey Im breaking the fourth wall every minute! Woo hoo"
3. Again the cinematography and tone. Completely blows the first one out of the water.
4. RIZZO SPEAKS! Hopefully we see more of him and Pepe.
5. Mildred. That's wassup.
Btw why did the teaser seem so dang lame? I was really not impressed with that super Disney channel-fied teaser and Im glad they finally released a proper trailer. So many easter eggs already!
Though one shot I DID like from the original teaser was the biblical desert shot...what is that from? So epic
I agree! I think the first movie was kind of like the second season of the Muppet Show. Where they really established the characters, and then in season 3 they where able to have more freedom with what they where trying to do.
I also think that this is going to be a movie that has some real shining of some of our favorite Muppsts, and not focus to much on Walter. I think Kermit is really going to develop in this movie, and I just can't wait to see how. I also can't wait to see what being in jail will do to him, and his relationship with the other Muppets Especially Piggy. I think it will be very interesting on how they will grow as a couple in this as well.
It's not rare for the sequel to be better than the first. Home Alone 2, Back to the Future II, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II, The Empire Strikes Back, and quite a few other movies are better than the first (though your mileage may vary.... And fans seem mixed on whether the first or second Home Alone or Ninja Turtles is better).
Besides, if the sequels are rarely better, then why make so many (well, maybe it's less risky than an original idea)?
Three of your four examples work pretty well to prove cjd874's point. Better sequels exist, to be sure, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Rare is such a subjective term, but if you look at a list of sequels from the last 5 years, I would be shocked if you even rated 10% of them as better than the first.
Yes. I think the casual moviegoer would have been confused if the last movie had been like this. It re-established the brand in such a way that they can go back to doing whatever they want.
Unrelated to that, on his "now you guys have all the freedom you want," line, why does Constantine sound like Dave Goelz? Clearly the line was cobbled together from two separate lines for the trailer, but is that part even audio of Constantine talking?
You lost me on TMNT II. It's certainly more kid friendly, and Tokka and Rahzar were awesome... but there's just so many things wrong with that film. I'd say the first TMNT movie was one of the best comic book movies ever made (especially in that era), but the second one tried too hard to be the cartoon series and failed to capture what made the cartoon series special. And NO Casey Jones. THAT was inexcusable. Almost like those later season episodes where they have Carter hanging around. I don't care about some Karate guy the Turtles just happen to know. I want Casey Jones. And the less said about Vanilla Ice's scene the better.
But yeah... there are films with better sequels. Heck, if they can make a watchable The Smurfs movie the second time, anything should be a better sequel.
That was Constantine. Sometimes Matt sounds like Dave. For those who don't know, here's the official trailer video: .
Apparently, there's a sequence in the film where Fozzie, Walter, and Animal go to rescue Kermit. Perhaps the desert bit is supposed to be a fantasy, exaggerating the journey to find the frog. Or maybe it's from a musical number.
I wonder if Matt Vogel could be ANY character. He's Caroll Spinney's understudy, and he's taken over most of Jerry Nelson's characters (who have been heard), though some are better than others, and he's currently Sweetums, and now he's performing a character who's supposed to be similar to Kermit (though he doesn't sound like Kermit). And while he hasn't performed any of Dave Goelz's characters, his Robin (as well as '80s Robot) sounds a bit like Bunsen.
Well I think that is what the Muppets have needed is someone like Matt, and he has been great! He brings such heart and energy to anyone he preforms.
Yeah, I had acknowledged that fans seemed mixed between whether the first or second is good, but at least I don't know of a single person who likes the third (or fourth) one the best. Of course it makes me wonder if I would like the first one best if I had grown up with the original comic books.
One of those SS segments was called, "Little Miss Muffet."
I didn't think so either, but wow... I knew there was something I haven't seen for a long time, but it sure does sound like I used to watch that show a long time ago.
Well, I finally saw the trailer, and it was amazing! I think I came with up with a really good Statler and Waldorf remark:
Waldorf: Well, it looks like Kermit's on the run.
Statler: Too bad I wasn't.
Waldorf: Why would you want to be a wanted criminal?
Statler: So I can run away from this movie!
DOH-ho ho ho ho ho!
Even though it's 2 and half minutes of the final version, it already looks better than The Muppets. This is no surprise to fans since The Muppets have always been improving themselves given the last movie was pretty much season 1 of The Muppet Show; it was an (re) introductory film of the Muppets and the writers are working on how to characterize them for the techno age. This movie, here, looks like season 2; it has strands of classic Muppet wit and wackiness, and I'm hopeful the heart of the Muppets won't get lost in the mayhem. Say what you want about this movie being eerily similar with The Great Muppet Caper, but this movie feels more like Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties with the main characters in Europe, and a doppelgänger of Kermit/Garfield switch places with the Muppets/Jon, Liz, and Odie having the wrong "Garfield" but with a criminal aspect to it.
Ty Burrell has great chemistry with Sam the Eagle, although I haven't warmed up to the new design of Sam the Eagle even if it does resemble his appearance in The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence. Tina Fey dons a good enough Russian accent, and Ricky Gervais is...well...Ricky Gervais.
The voice of Constantine is really good; it does sound like Bill Barretta. Steve Whitmire, Eric Jacobson, Matt Vogel, and Peter Linz still have it! I'm surprised by the non-speaking trailer time for Dave Goelz's characters. Anywho, I'll continue to look for cameos of the Muppets from the earlier projects that may land a non-speaking cameo in the movie. The celebrity cameos don't distract me too much, though I'm reading YouTube comments drooling over Tom Hiddleston's cameo. I also liked that Jim Henson's Kermit from Sesame Street plays a role. It's actually not surprising since Disney owns the rights of Kermit the Frog even from SS, though Sesame Workshop hasn't taken full advantage of them in the past ten or so years.
In the end, I'm more excited about the movie, which means the trailer does its job quite perfectly in selling its product.
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