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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, May 12, 2015.
well she Is a pig
For those of you who don't recognize the little brown creature in the scene with Chip, BDM and Thingy Thing, here is the Muppet Wiki page of that character.
I like what I see so far, I don't think there's much worry about Kermit and Miss Piggy, I don't think they will rid the world of one of the greatest couples for very long. My worry is that as its a kind of behind the scenes look at the individual Muppets own personal lives, I hope they don't change the Muppets (personality wise) so we don't recognise the characters any more and say that the characters that we know and love (from the Muppet show and films) are just characters that the Muppets have been playing,(i.e Gonzo acting the part of Gonzo) and they are really different in real life.
My other concern is finding a market, you might get the people who grew up with the Muppets only watching to relive their childhood and when they see the new format turn off saying it isn't what they remember, and then you got the kids thinking well its the Muppets again I saw the film why do they need a t.v show.
I really hope neither of these things become reality because it seems to me that the guys behind the new show have put a lot of effort into it and I for one think its just what the Muppets need to do for a modern market.
Those who want exactly what they had in their childhood would complain about anything no matter what. If there's anything that's changed the most significant, it's themselves. The tastes and preferences of an adult are completely different form what they were when they were younger. Even if it was exactly the same, it's somehow not the same enough.
New pictures! And the new pig Kermit is dating is named Denise. Yaaaay! http://blogs.disney.com/insider/201...-on-10-exclusive-new-images-from-the-muppets/
Thinking about the Chip appearance again (it has barely left my mind since the trailer was online), I feel like now would be a good time for Chip to get a Weekly Muppet Wednesday article on The Muppet Mindset. That doesn't mean that he'll be next, but Uncle Deadley's WMW was the first to come after it was announced that he'd be in The Muppets (the 2011 film), and the Annie Sue article came out shortly after it was announced she'd be in Muppets Most Wanted.
The small mix of obscure characters for that scene is interesting. We have Chip, who may or may not be very recognzable (he was seen in the background a lot on Muppets Tonight and MFS). There's the happy creature from "Hugga Wugga", which seems like a popular sketch from The Muppet Show, and until Muppets Most Wanted he had only been used once (I wonder if that's the same puppet as the original or if it was rebuilt). Then there's Beautiful Day Monster, who has been used in a few recent productions. Finally, there's Cynthia Rose, from the "Starfish and Coffee" number. She seems to be the most obscure one there. I had seen the number, but when I first saw the trailer, I didn't quite recognize her (I was thinking she was one of the pirates from MTI), and there's a number of Muppet Central, Tough Pigs, and Facebook comments from people who didn't recognize that character, either. And even after I found the characters name, I kept forgetting what it was. I guess it helps that most of the Prince episode is not on YouTube (though the whole thing is, or at least was a few months ago, on Daily Motion).
Denise is sort of the only new character we know of so far. I wonder how far The Muppet Mindset will wait before putting up articles on characters introduced on this show. It doesn't really matter, and I'm not in charge of the site, but when it comes to possible WMW articles for that site, I feel users should probably wait at least a season after they're introduced, so there'll be more to write about. We don't know how many new characters will be introduced in the first season.
Rachel's reaction is basically my reaction:
I usually find what you have to say thoughtful, but I'm going to respectfully disagree. I grew up with the muppets and have enjoyed almost everything we've gotten on some level. I loved the old series and wouldn't mind at all to see a genuine re-do. (Wasn't the muppet show format what Disney did with So Random?) But while I loved what I got in the original, that doesn't mean I can't or won't embrace other formats or ideas.
I enjoyed the muppet reboot movies (first one more than the last one) and they were nothing if not more adult (again, one more than two). Were Kermit and Piggy really having an adult conversation about an adult relationship--IN PARIS? Omg! And that conversation, and the ones that grew out of it at the end of the movie? It showed self-reflection and personal growth! Omg! In a movie made in Hollywood?! Is that even ALLOWED?
But NOW we're being told the new muppet series is "more adult"--and getting bear poo jokes. The first movie mocked that sort of bathroom humor as beneath the muppets, but apparently that's changed.
Saying that fans can't be satisfied with any change if they want what they used to get is not fair or accurate. I want smart humor and silly humor-all mixed together, like they've always done--not dumb humor and bathroom humor.
You can look at the differences in the two recent movies to see that, as soon as they saw the muppets as lucrative they abandoned all prentice of having the characters be true to themselves. Scooter doesn't know Kermot has been replaced? GONZO DOESNT NOTICE? Fozzie--who can't recognize his bestie is being impersonated by a creepy criminal is now going to be in skits as an adult woman's boyfriend? And they're playing on old racial-stereotyping jokes to boot? Eww.
What would actually be wrong with a variety show that was just, oh-I-don't-know, A VARIETY SHOW? Where people sing and dance and tell jokes and try to pull off a skit that isn't going well with charm and panache? If variety shows are dead, someone explain all the _______'s Got Talent shows to me
I'm glad somebody "likes" our guys enough to want them to put on a new series. I just wish they actually LIKED our guys--OUR GUYS--not their puerile version of our guys.
So far that's the only bathroom humor we know of that will appear in the show(does the pilot contain more?). Who knows, maybe such jokes will just occur once per episode, or maybe that will end up being the only such joke on the show (not likely), or maybe the show will be filled with such jokes.
The last two movies pretty much had only one bathroom joke per movie. The Muppets had fart shoes (and maybe the used toilets, if you count that) while Muppets Most Wanted had Poopenburgen (which wasn't even in any of the commercials) as well as a deleted scene playing on the term "number two".
Haven't seen the trailer yet... But one issue point that's kind of puzzling me that noone seems to have commented on yet... Is Fozzie dating a human woman in this new pilot/series any different than the human girlfriend Beaker wished for in LTS? To me, it's the same scenario, a potential love interest for a character who previously had none. Though I'm kind of partial to the notion of Fozzie and Dora (from the Family Reunion TMS comics).
Glad that some of the obscure characters are being included, will keep lurking through the thread.
Reality competition is not a Variety Show. I honestly don't get the appeal of that crap either. But you know, cheap to make, cheap to produce. The networks are going to shove that down everyone's throat and make them like it. By that token, what the heck's the appeal of any of NBC's reality competitions? Especially the "Let's make fun of fatties and call it inspirational" show only thin people watch to...well, yeah... make fun of the fatties.
I can't see the Muppets in a retread of the old show. Jim wouldn't have blatantly copied himself like that. That's why JHH was completely different (for better or worse).
I'm kind of skeptical here, everyone. I was looking forward to the old variety Muppet Show like they had. And Kermit not dating Piggy anymore? What's up with that? I'll admit I am glad that will be on the show . (I had thought he wouldn't used anymore. They'd have him moved permanently back to Sweden.) I LOLed at with the "cone of shame" around his neck . So we'll see what happens.
The variety show format wouldn't work. They tried three times to revive The Muppet Show in its variety show format with The Jim Henson Hour, Muppets Tonight, and France's MuppetsTV , but all attempts were not well-recieved and short-lived. I think It's good that The Muppets are trying something brand new rather than repeat what they have done before.
JHH wasn't really the variety show format TMS and MT were. I don't think it was so much the Muppet Central segments that scared viewers off so much as the while hour long format and the huge disconnect between the Muppet and Creature Shop segments. If anything, the problem with JHH was that it was too different from everything else on TV. From a Muppet standpoint, I get what Jim was trying to do and have huge respect for it. He didn't so much want a new Muppet Show as much as a new Muppet project that pushed to the limit of what Muppets could do. And unfortunately it did get rid of some classic characters for newer ones. On the other hand, not trying to copy TMS was exactly the show's strength. It's just that it came out too raw and NBC didn't want the show, so it never managed to grow, getting rid of that jumbled feeling. MT on the other hand was kind of a mess not knowing if it was supposed to be a variety show or talk show or both. Why they didn't go for SNL style parody is beyond me. The talk show segments didn't mesh with the skits.
But honestly, I don't see this show completely tossing off the variety format, and don't see how that's a problem. Seems very well we'll still have that, but the focus will be on behind the scenes problems and character development. Something I'd much rather see than Muppets swooning over guest stars. Especially ones that have no chemistry. Like that British Game Show host guy from season 1. Man, was he a terrible guest.
Well it seems that this show has more freedom for the Muppets to be themselves more which is kind of something that fans have been wanting for a long time. As long as they can be themselves and not completely written wrong then the show should do fine.
That was a funny preview! I liked the part with Piggy talking to Kermit in a blue dress and the "very offensive stereotype" joke. Can't wait to see it! (This also makes me remember I have to catch up on The Goldbergs!)
I agree that this is a good time slot for The Muppets (I keep missing "The Goldbergs " ) So this'll give me a good reason not to miss both shows.
I would like to see a love traingle between Spamla and Piggy over Kermit.
Not me I would really love seeing Kermit and Piggy have a some what healthy and happy relationship for once.
That is true. I would like that as well.
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