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We Need Another Movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by D'Snowth, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    I hate comments that go "I can't believe this new show because we used to watch Sesame Street all the time with our kids." Ugh. I cant stand that no one gets it.
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  2. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Ya it's really annoying, people who say this were usually children in the 90's, they watched Muppet Babies, The Muppet Christmas Carol, Muppets From Space, all targeted at children, look at some of those VHS covers for TMM and GMC, colorfully drawn images with a cheesy description of the film on the back, now compare that with the original releases. They aren't really marketed for kids, yes kids can enjoy them, but the covers and backs clearly show that this is something for adults too. So when the time came for a new muppet show that was for adults, most were baffled, the muppets they watched were clearly children oriented, which led to those annoying, childhood ruined posts, because they were too lazy to pick up TMS or one of the orignal movies, and see how they were, this leads to the people who were children in the 80's to combat this by saying the muppets were originally for adults. The Sesame Street thing is due to Kermit being on both shows, and the Sesame Street cast appearing in the muppet stuff, which leads people who watched them as children to be confused, but ya people don't have their facts right, that's whats expected unless you're a die hard muppet fan.
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  3. LashHolstein

    LashHolstein Member

    Yeah, like it's understandable. A little annoying, but understandable i guess.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As far as the TV show goes, I had a feeling that no matter what the result was, it wouldn't get as big of an audience as it did demand. And, honestly, the first few episodes were a turn off because they weren't doing what they should have been doing in the last 3 of 4 episodes. The relationship stuff doesn't really work outside of the Kermit/Piggy/Denise angle, and once they started moving other characters away from that and giving them Muppet-y-er stories the show picked up. But you know the instant gratification of media consumers. If the show isn't 100% perfect at the start, no one's going to bother pushing ahead with it. Again, Seinfeld was unwatchable at the beginning and constantly on the bubble for being cancelled. Now you could say it's overrated. Even the first few episodes of the original Muppet Show were meh.

    But frankly, even if the show was a 100% faithful recreation of the original series, it's be like "Aw, that was nice. Now let's tune in to The Voice and see someone who we won't give a crap about so much as a day after they win." Certainly that's what happened with The Muppets the movie. They all loved the first one (even though it only was a modest success due to the small budget). But when the second one came out, it was almost universally "What? A comeback means they stay? The heck with that. OHHH! An anemic Hunger Games knockoff! Lessgoseethatrightaway!!!!!" And frankly, the second film was more in the spirit of what a classic Muppet movie should have been than even the comeback film. I swear half the casual fans just saw the movies when they were 8 at their grandparents house and only buy the occasional T-shirt and Bobblehead.
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  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The problem with the second one was they intentionally made it a sequel to the first - again, in a day and age where sequelitis is an overused gimmick in cinema to milk franchises for more than they're worth - whereas Muppet movies are traditionally their own stand-alone, self-contained movies, that aren't connected to each other aside from nods or references that only Muppet Freaks will get anyway.
  6. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I could just imagine this new muppet show being literally an exact copy of the original muppet show, and hearing reviewers saying, what I want something new maybe a sitcom like the office or something, but to give then credt, The Muppets enjoyed 15 seconds of success in its first three weeks getting large ratings with no leadin, and it wasn't doing awful up until the gonzo episode. At least ABC has some faith in it, because they will be heavily repeating episodes, and even airing a 4 episode marathon next Sunday, so maybe they have faith in it, and like Galavant might renew it as filler. Also on a side note, early Seinfeld was still pretty funny, seasons 2-4 were probably some of the best.

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    now that it looks like the end of the new Muppets show It might be time to think movie !!!!!!!!!!
  8. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't know what they can do with the franchise if the show doesn't get a second season. The 2011 movie was really only a moderate success and the last movie didn't do very well at all. Neither the show nor the movie were such fantastic failures that Disney would drop them, but just doing Viral videos won't really give them the exposure they need to stay relevant.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wonder how well the movies did on home video. It's not like both films were Green Lantern or Lone Ranger level money losing failures. The second one, at worst, was that kind of low key film that made its money back barely with some international showings.

    I'd hate for them to be only TV special/DTV project ready from now on. Disney has started acknowledging the Muppets again, oddly just after the show started really losing ratings being in a crappy time slot. The thing that worries me is they haven't even announced a DVD set for the TV show, and usually a DVD set for a current TV sitcom is announced like 2 weeks into the show's season premiere.

    That said, if there is a new movie, Disney would be best to be advised that "modest hit" is the best they can do. Other than the original movie, the 2011, and GMC, they've all had low box office turn out. Even Elmo can't bring them in in droves. That's why the announced Sesame Street film went no where. If they need a low yield film to put in the space between a blockbuster animated film and a Marvel film, Muppets are a good filler that won't lose them too much money at worst. The Jungle Book was a huge gamble that paid off to the tune of second highest April opening (a month that's very soft as far as films go). But if one of their high concept films bombs, that's a crapload of money. Tomorrowland was so bad it killed any Tron sequel potential. Disney always had soft films in weaker months. If they're successful they make money off a low budget, if they aren't, they lose an amount that's usually recouped in a monthly sale of Star Wars action figures and T-shirts.
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That's what I've been saying about all this hoo-hah about shows and movies being dumped straight to Netflix.
  11. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Actually Netflix could work. The shows up their are very popular, "Orange is the New Black" and "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" for examples are about as popular as network shows. Netflix would be a much better option than YouTube videos just because their are so many YT videos that can be very easily forgotten.
  12. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind, the premiere of The Muppets posted a 2.9 demo rating and 9 million viewers against The Voice and NCIS, none of the ABC shows can come close to that number these days, the closest being Modern Family at a 2.2 demo and 7 million viewers, people are still interested in the franchise, but they end up nitpicking on the content and leaving it, so it's a prediciment, also The Muppets 2011 triplied it's budget and Disney ordered a sequel, I am pretty sure Disney was satisfied with it and it was a financial success to them. Also viral videos are a great way to expose them, but they haven't made a really popular one since "Jungle Boogie", that's the only way younger audiences will get exposed to them.
  13. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I would love to have another movie where all the characters are more like the way they were in the most recent TV show. Kermit now has more personality. Miss Piggy became less of a big headed jerk. Scooter is nerdier and sillier now. Uncle Deadly has a bigger role now. Plus Chip, Yolanda and Gloria Estefan have been great additions to the cast.
  14. JT Yorke

    JT Yorke Well-Known Member

    I never understood why they dont let some of the puppeteers direct a movie, they know these characters the best. They might know what work. Dave Goelz has been there from the start.
  15. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Dave and Steve I feel could definitely make some quality Muppet content
  16. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Well now that the show's been cancelled this thread is relevant again. I'm not sure Disney is going to make another theatrical release, but it's possible they do something on Netflix or Youtube. They really should make more Youtube videos, they had some great stuff with Muppet Labs, The Swedish Chef, Sam the Eagle reporting the news, Muppisodes, and then they just stopped, wish they would continue.
  17. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Don't know about Dave, but Steve's said in interviews that he doesn't have any interest in directing.
  18. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    True, but Steve could always be on the writing team and act as a consultant. Bill has directed a couple of smaller projects, maybe he could work his way up to a feature length film.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While it doesn't seem likely to see another movie, losing a small amount of money on a Muppet project is much better than losing a lot of money on audience alienating stuff like BFG and Pete's Dragon.

    Just throwing that out there.
  20. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I'm sure Disney prefers to lose no money.

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