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Weekly Box Office & Film Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, May 20, 2012.

  1. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    The Fate of the Furious, the 8th installment in the Fast and the Furious franchise, shows no signs of slowing down with a $100 mil.+ domestic take this Easter weekend combined with about four times that in international ticket sales, putting it on the top 5 biggest earnings in 2017. Trailing behind are incumbents The Boss Baby, Beauty and the Beast, and Smurfs: The Lost Village.

    And waaaaaay down in 24th place is Spark with about $100,000+, which not even Rock Dog did that pathetically. I expect things to get somewhat better when it gets released in foreign countries.

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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Like I said in the Worst CGI thread, I blame that on the fact that Sony really stopped caring about the Smurf franchise as soon as the movie was made because they want Emoji to be their summer animated tent pole.

    And frankly, while I think Smurfs: Lost Village was (for the most part) superior to the 2 live action films, I don't think the film was ambitious as it could have been. it felt like they knew this was going to do so so and gave it a low enough budget (though I could be wrong about that, it's just the feeling I came out with). I liked it, but I get the feeling that the trailer and TV spots looked way too similar to Trolls, and that added to the poor release date might have staved potential viewers off. I mean, right down to the overly colorful flora and fauna. They had the same man eating fly traps, for crying out loud.

    So I'll break it down.

    The Superior:

    No humans, should be obvious, as well as keeping them in their own time period.

    For the most part, superior or matched casting on most characters.

    Very much a great "what if" Smurf storyline, especially concerning other female Smurfs somehow having their own society (presumably the Stork, how the Smurfs are delivered, probably dropped the female ones in a different part of the Forrest).

    The fact they kept the look of the original comics and translated it to CGI form without too much alteration rather than "this is how they'd look in real life" crap they always pull.

    I like how the female Smurfs are named after plants where as the Male Smurfs are named after jobs/ personality traits.

    Clumsy was actually written to be true to his cartoon self, rather than the overly sympathetic character the first film made him as.

    And it was so much better looking to run around a magical Forrest in the film and stretch creative muscles rather than having them run around modern times and comment on them.

    The Inferior:

    Rainn Wilson was a good enough Gargamel, but I really miss Hank Azaria's crazier interpretation over Rainn's vaguely Doofenschmirtz-y characterization.

    The other Smurfs outside the female lost villagers and the main 4 really felt like an after thought. Other than the "this is totally something they would have done in the live action films" casting of Gordon Ramsey for one line, it felt like the others were just barely in there and cast as unrecognizables. And as such even Grouchy, who both movies was a main character, was demoted to 2 scenes. "I HATE demoted to two scenes!"

    While I overall thought the movie's plot was superior to the live action movies, I really liked Gargamel and Smurfette's arcs were actually pretty darn good in Smurfs 2. More on that in a second.

    The film didn't feel as "big" as the first two. And while I'd say that's mostly a good thing, the film feels like a 90 minute cartoon pilot rather than a 90 minute animated film. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't for the nagging fact that this film coulda shoulda woulda been a springboard for more films like these, but was treated like a one and done.

    Smurf Lilly (I think that's her name) was FAR more annoying than even Gutsy Smurf. I feel bad Ellie Kempler had such a bad character.

    OH! And the one thing...one thing I gave the first two movies credit for doing? NOT using the song "I'm Blue." I barely forgave it here, but if even the loud, obnoxious cynical live action films avoided it, how does it make this look?

    The indecisive:

    I still don't know if I find "Table Eating Smurf" funny or just a completely idiotic joke. I find Smurf 2 had funnier movie original Smurfs, including the second film's best gift to Smurfdom, Passive Aggressive Smurf (played by Jimmy Kimmel). And While I certainly didn't expect Hackus and Vexy to make a return, I was surprised and delighted that the weirdest original character "Smooth Smurf" made a return. Well... I'm going to assume nameless Sunglasses wearing Smurf playing a sax was Smooth Smurf.

    While I can't say the second film was great, I really liked the Smurfette/Gargamel storyline based on her comics origins, and the bit where he makes those fake Smurfs to exploit small amounts of magic from. On the one hand, I do like this film's Smurfette trying to find out what she is as a Smurf outside of being the "Ette," all while having that doubt that she's a real Smurf being one of Gargamel's tricks and all. But the thing is, while certain parts where better handled here, all three movies have the same story beats about her. Especially the second. In fact:
    In all three movies she tricked Gargamel by pretending to come over to his side.
    It's really disappointing there won't be another film (unless it's a European exclusive) since, while the first film focused on Clumsy, the second and third were about Smurfette. Plus, I hate to say it, but (other than the emotional punch near the end), but I liked Papa Smurf's crisis of Smurf in movie 2, which was missing here.

    They never get Brainy right, outside vocal casting. He's fiercely loyal to Papa Smurf (to Papa's annoyance), as well as insufferably self righteous. Not a scientist.

    Also, I don't quite know how to feel about anachronism when it comes to these things. The comics certainly had their fair share here and there, the cartoon had a little more discipline about it. But Brainy has a bug that acts like a smart phone here. If this was a continuation of the films where they were exposed to that sort of thing I'd get it.

    Over all, enjoyable, but both a little too late, could have been better. Really wish this launched a new version of the franchise, but didn't.
  3. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Annoyed that I missed my chance to see it on the big screen, but I'll definitely see it.
  4. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  5. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

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  6. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    As expected, Guardians Vol. 2 demolished this weekend's charts, even making more than its predecessor. It helps that it was released in May rather than August, the dumpiest of dump months. It should even be able to beat next week's big contender, a King Arthur film directed by the same guy as the beloved Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.

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  7. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

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  8. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

  9. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    After the couple of weeks I'm having, I can't wait to go watch Rocket laughing hysterically while destroying something. :crazy:
  10. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  11. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Pirates of the Caribbean 5 was the big moneymaker this Memorial Day weekend, though it's the lowest-grossing entry so far when adjusted for inflation. Guardians 2 is still showing signs of life, taking in around $20 mil. But in 3rd place is that idiotic self-parody Baywatch film that no one wanted, which made around 1/3rd its budget so far, though I highly doubt it will make a profit considering the marketing costs.

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  12. lmag42

    lmag42 Well-Known Member

    I just saw King Arthur yesterday. I feel that it was entertaining after you get through the first half hour which didn't make sense. I almost fell asleep. It's very gloomy, I don't recall a smile out of anybody the whole 2 hours. Watch if you want, the cgi is cool, camera changes too much. Overall, 6/10, good but still worst movie I've seen in a while.
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  13. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    If it's good but still the worst movie you've seen in a while, I wanna know what movies you've been watching, 'cause most of the ones that have come out recently that i've seen have been pretty bad.
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  14. lmag42

    lmag42 Well-Known Member

    I don't watch movies too often. I don't waste my time if I'm not too interested, I went on Monday as something to do, and Guardians of The Galaxy was sold out. I'm sure that's a good one.
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  15. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

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  16. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    In 1st place this weekend is Cars 3 at around $53 million, while Wonder Woman is still going strong and the Tupac Shakur biopic All Eyez on Me has turned out a solid 3rd place showing. But The Mummy slipped into 4th from last week, which was number 2 before.

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  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Cars 3 did pretty well considering how panned the second movie was.
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  18. mr3urious

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  20. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    On the bright side, this one is officially Bay's last Transformers movie. So, maybe the next writer can do something better with it. I really hope whoever they hire is a longtime fan of the cartoons and really respects the source material.
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