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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, May 20, 2012.

  1. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Holmes & Watson looks like a terrible movie. Nothing about it seems entertaining. Trailers usually have the best parts in them. This movie's trailer looks so bad I can only assume the rest of it consists of Will Farrell screaming while flipping off the camera.
     
  2. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  3. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

  4. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    this isnt adaption. this is a clear case of using a popular brand to sell something

    also why does everyone hate peter rabbit? i didnt think it was horrible. im not familiar with the source material so judging the movie by itself i didnt see anything offensively wrong with it
     
  5. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Or that moviegoers are sick to death of sequels.
     
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  7. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    The overexposure of sequels really sucks, because it damages other movies that are actually deserving of sequels. The Lego Movie was one where fans actually wanted a sequel. Paddington 2 did extremely well critically, even a bit better than it's predecessor, which itself had great reviews, but US movie goers weren't as interested the second time around. This might've also hurt Muppets Most Wanted.
     
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  8. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I was going to edit my post to include "lightning rarely strikes twice when it comes to sequels", but thanks for doing it for me. :D
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yes. None of the previous Muppet movies were sequels to another, they were always stand-alone features, separate from the others - playing up the sequel angle for MMW was a big mistake; they should have done it as a stand-alone feature as well.
     
  10. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    The odd thing is, it basically could have been a stand alone. None of the human cast returned from the first one. The story was basically totally disconnected from the first one, other than a few references that could easily be written out. Sam Eagle played an FBI agent, which contradicts what he did in the first movie. There was little reason to have it be a direct sequel.

    It should have just been about the Muppets traveling Europe on a tour with no talk of being a sequel. I thin the only reason they made it a sequel was to cash in on some of the good will they had gotten from the 2011 movie.

    The Muppets are hard to understand if you are a movie exec. They don't get that Jim Henson just made whatever he wanted without worrying about connecting it to past productions or making sense in a single continuity.
     
  11. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    I think what happened is they waited a little too long and released other movies in between. Lego Batman kind of satisfied the audiences hunger for a new Lego Movie and that was two years ago.

    Of course, we also have movies like Toy Story 3 which was a LOT longer between sequels, but they also didn't do any projects in between to satisfy the want to see them on screen.
     
  12. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So I've learned a new term for movies that originally had all or mostly male casts being remade with all or mostly female casts (i.e. OCEAN'S ELEVEN or GHOSTBUSTERS): "femakes."
     
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  14. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    So apparently Brie Larson who's playing Captain Marvel says the movie is not for white dudes and is basically saying if you're a white male, don't see it.

    Way to go telling the vast majority of your target audience to not see a movie.

    They also apparently had to hire a butt double because she has no butt to speak of.
     
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

     
  16. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    When?
    “I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time,” Larson said. “It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of colour, biracial women, to teen women of colour.”

    It sounds to me more like she's drawing attention to the lack of diversity in film reviewing, and how deeply representation can resonate with people. People can occasionally have blind spots when it comes to stories about things outside of their own experiences. I feel like interpreting what she said as "white guys shouldn't see it" is a big jump.
     
  17. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    tell that to people who are reporting about how she's been acting regarding captain marvel. that's not my interpretation

    although from that quote alone, it sounds more like shes blaming white men on the movie doing poorly and not owning up to the fact the movie just isnt very good. Also, she's white herself...
     
  18. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    The movie isn't even out yet, how is it doing poorly?

    Regardless of that, the quote she gave is pretty racist/sexist. Movie's are for everyone. Perhaps it is not the targeted audience, but that doesn't make it ok to belittle or invalidate someone's opinion of something. Also, note she said she didn't want to hear what didn't make it work. So, only negative opinions from 40 year old white men are unwelcome, but if they are positive then that's ok? It's a messed up thing to say either way.

    Imagine this being the other way. Let's say a new movie about football comes out that is really "masculine", but it's not great. One of the male stars says "I don't want to hear what some 40 year old woman has to say about what doesn't work in this movie. It wasn't made for you!" or "I don't want to hear what some 40 year old homosexual has to say about what doesn't work in this movie. It wasn't made for you!". See the problem? If you swap the race, gender, or sexuality in a statement and it automatically becomes problematic, then the statement was problematic to begin with.
     
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    FROZEN had a huge following and fanbase long before it ever came out.
     
  20. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Right, but a movie doing poorly or not can not be determined until release, no? We can say it has the potential to do poorly or the potential to do well, but it's too soon to it is performing poorly.

    Frankly, the movie looks like every other Marvel movie. The de-aging of Samuel L. Jackson looks pretty good. It seems silly for anyone to make this movie a symbol of feminism. It's about a woman that gets super powers from an alien... I don't really see how this is some big moment for women and empowerment. It's literal fantasy. Do other men some how claim Superman is a symbol of masculinity?
     


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