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Weekly Box Office & Film Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, May 20, 2012.

  1. ToonGeek

    ToonGeek Well-Known Member

    Since JVCarroll Wasn't Here To Do The Box Office Numbers Last Weekend I Figured I'd Do Them
    1. Brave (Pixar/Disney) 3D NEW [4,164 Theaters]
    Friday $24.5M, Saturday $23.5M, Weekend $66.7M
    2. Madagascar 3 3D (DreamWorks Anim/Paramount) Week 3 [3,920 Theaters]
    Friday $6.1M, Saturday $7.7M, Weekend $20.2M, Cume $157.5M
    3. Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter 3D (Fox) NEW [3,108 Theater]
    Friday $6.3M, Saturday $5.6M, Weekend $16.5M
    4. Prometheus 3D (Fox) Week 3 [2,862 Theaters]
    Friday $2.9M, Saturday $3.9M, Weekend $10.0M, Cume $108.5M
    5. Snow White & The Huntsman (Universal) Week 4 [2,919 Theaters]
    Friday $2.5M, Saturday $3.3M, Weekend $8.0M, Cume $137.0M
    6. Rock of Ages (New Line/Warner Bros) Week 2 [3,470 Theaters]
    Friday $2.5M, Saturday $3.1M, Weekend $8.0M (-45%), Cume $28.7M
    7. That’s My Boy (Sony) Week 2 [3,030 Theaters]
    Friday $2.4M, Saturday $2.8M, Weekend $7.9M (-41%), Cume $28.1M
    8. Marvel’s The Avengers 3D (Disney) Week 8 [2,230 Theaters]
    Friday $2.0M, Saturday $2.8M, Weekend $7.0M, Cume $598.2M
    9. Men In Black 3 3D (Columbia/Sony) Week 5 [2,462 Theaters]
    Friday $1.7M, Saturday $2.3M, Weekend $5.6M, Cume $163.3M
    10. Seeking A Friend For The End Of The World (Focus) NEW [1,625 Theaters]
    Friday $1.2M, Saturday $1,5M, Weekend $3.8M
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't think it was too much of a surprise that Brave did well, but the fact that the Abe Lincoln movie didn't get a stronger second. Even Madagascar was a distant second. brave really did blow away the competition.

    Still, Abe Lincoln is yet another high concept movie that was intended for a niche audience. If it doesn't do too well in coming weeks, it will be considered a massive failure, even though it's probably destined for cult status. You know, like Scott Pilgrim. But it really didn't fit for a June release anyway. But it is still the highest earning non-family movie of the week.

    I'm glad Brave didn't scare people away and get a weaker opening. It is a film unlike any film Pixar has done before. And if so, It's closer to the Incredibles than anything else. No cute talking things (except for a crow that wasn't in the film much), no (highlight for spoilers) Major good guy characters dying... and above all, it seemed like something from another studio... and that's not a bad thing at all. it felt like one of the Disney princess films, but with far smarter writing, and it didn't wind up being as hypocritical as the "I want something more" Princesses that got Disney stuck in a rut.

    The brilliant thing about this film is how unlike a Disney Princess the main character was. Sure, she had the "I want my own path" bit... but they put a brilliant spin on it that I can't go into without too many spoilers. But she wasn't a fashion plate, a teenager with a 23 year old developed body for girls to dress up as. In fact, major MAJOR spoiler, read at your own risk... She thinks her wishes are quite selfish at one point, considering it almost kills her mother, and more impressive, she ISN'T paired with any of the Princes at the end of the film. That;'s inconceivable!

    I'd say there was just a hint of Studio Ghibli in there... the Witch had a quality in her that felt like a Ghibli-esque character. I just can't overstate the brilliance of this film and how different it was for Pixar. It makes up for being the first non-sequel since UP and the last until The Good Dinosaur, and it certainly makes up for the last film being Cars 2. Though I will say it hasn't broken my trinity of favorites, Up, Monsters Inc, and Incredibles... but I'd place it before Ratatouille... and I LOVED Ratatouille.
  3. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I'll see Brave next week. I don't expect it to have much staying power. It did well due to the Pixar name and lack of competition more than anything else. Like John Carter, Tangled and other Disney pics, they seem to be concealing the plot for this film to the extent that reviewers have been cited for releasing "spoilers." It's only in the North American market where Brave, originally titled The Bear and the Bow, is advertised as a rebellious adventure movie and not what it actually is. There would be no question who'd win if Brave went up against Afro Circus in its first week.

    Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter was doomed from the start. It's a brilliant idea that the typical US citizen just will not understand. I've been in auds where the trailer played to rolling eyes and audible groans. I'll likely see that before Brave. Just not jazzed to see it.

    Also, Prometheus was impressive. I encourage fans of the Alien franchise to check it out. They will make more.
  4. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Curious what you mean by this. Could you please elaborate? I haven't seen the movie, just wondering what you mean.
  5. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I just saw Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter and I LOVED it! Now, I'm no American nor am I a huge fan of vampires, but I DO love ret-conning history and super-stylized movies (will be shelving this one next to 300 and Watchmen). Its actually a lot deeper (?) than I anticipated, with a lot of parallels being drawn to the slave aspects of that time (although I didn't quite get the connection between the slave-owners and the vampires...must have missed some exposition). I'd love to see a mini-series spin off for the middle-years of his life which are broadly swept over though.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Madagascar has a following of kids that are too young to appreciate Brave. I'd think there would be stronger competition than a 40 dollar gap.

    Still, Brave's a movie that's hard to market without giving away spoilers....


    When I was at the Disney Store, every single piece of merchandise was a spoiler. if I didn't walk out of the store with that Muppet Figurine set, I'd regret going in. I mean, REALLY... do NOT go to the Disney Store before you see the film. Or just avoid that merchandise.

    I continue to give credit to the merchandise from the last Batman movie, not releasing a Two-Face until after the movie was out of theaters.

    Still, I give Pixar nothing but credit for going out of their cute character comfort zone and doing something different for a change. And giving girls a MUCH stronger character than any of the Diz Princesses ever were.

    It's a movie for strict comic nerds, weirdo film fan buffs. The mainstream might just find it too strange and esoteric a film. Not to mention how played out zombies are becoming (Tween girls have vampires, everyone else on the internet under the age of 35 has Zombies). I'm surprised this movie isn't a conservative sweetheart because they finally made a film where a Republican president is a hero. But who did they really think would see this film? That's why they shoved Scott Pilgrim in August and gave it limited viral underground marketing. The film hit its niche, and it's rerun in college towns (The Brattle Theater in Cambridge runs it almost once or twice a month). It wasn't destined for a massive audience, and I don't think Abe Lincoln was either.
  7. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    No surprise that the Lincoln movie didn't do well.
    Who wants to watch a movie about Abe Lincoln killing vampires? I just think that is such a stupid plot. The fact that it's Tim Burton just makes it worse.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's all based on comic books that no one really reads, man. Same deal with Cowboys and Aliens. They're strange indie comics hipster nerds read instead of the mainstream Super Heroes that people have actually heard of. If you have Spidey, The Avengers, and Batman, why go for something off the big 2, DC and Marvel?

    It's not so much a stupid idea as a strange, quirky one. It's bound to be a cult hit once it hits home video... not so much with a mainstream audience.
  9. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Its actually not a based on a comic book at all, but rather a set of varyingly successful books such as Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters and Gossip Girl Serial Killer. These are all very cleverly crafted from taking the original stories (most of which have fallen out of copywrite) and adjusting them ever so slightly while maintaining all the original prose and style. This one, for example, has many moments of historic accuracy and also many famous quotes and lines from his life, but adjusted ever so slightly.

    Its not really a stupid plot, so much as a clever, fun, interesting ret-con of history. It has great fun with the Icon of this character!
  10. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Um, my point was that the pitch of the film shouldn't be considered a spoiler. It should have been in the North American ads just like it reportedly featured in the foreign market. I read about the story from a years old press release when they began production. I think it's silly that mentioning the "bear portion" is considered spoiling the experience at all. It's not the ending, it's the froggin PLOT! People should know what a film's about before going in instead of the bait-and-switch that's going on with Brave and that went on with John Carter. From the reviews I read, this story exists mainly to please very young viewers. I've heard its far less sophisticated than many of the other films. Is that incorrect?

    By the way. I finally saw John Carter and it's not a bad film. It is a self-indulgent one. This is what happens when a fanboy tries to include all the source material in the film instead of consolidating the essence of the story and working from there. Aside from the terrible marketing, the failure in John Carter was 100% story. They try to cram so much idealism from this world into one film that there's no time left to make the viewer really care. This should have been a miniseries on SyFi. It would have done very well there. I'm still glad to have the blu-ray. I did like it. It just took a poor direction from a Pixar artist who should know better about storytelling.
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  11. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    You know, I was never able to articulate exactly what it was about John Carter that left me so cold. It wasn't a terrible movie, but it was not one I would really get excited about either. You hit the nail on the head. I never really felt like I cared a whole lot. Even in the supposedly epic battle sequences, I really felt the film lacked some kind of surge of forward momentum. More than anything I was patiently going along for the ride and picking and choosing what I liked...like a giant film buffet that was...atleast not what you paid for. No more.
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  12. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    I will add that, I actually enjoyed Tangled....Even if it isn't Disney at its best.
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  13. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I agree. They really should have focused on one part of the story, simplified the arc or just made it on a tighter budget as a miniseries. I feel that the director failed the actors and the author. Why was this not billed as being from the creator of the Tarzan books and the inspiration for Star Wars?
  14. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Well, let me just say this. Even if the movie felt a little lacking in parts, it will never have been as bad as the laughable, woefully ill conceived and absurd Love Never Dies. I knew a sequel to Phantom of the Opera was a very bad idea.....But seeing the said bad idea brought to life through a mediocre musical score and hammy, cliche dialogue that clunkily carries a plot that reads like bad fanfiction and SOMEHOW then manages to be incredibly boring, drawn out and at the same time unintentionally hilarious....was kind of like a bad dream you get from eating something spicy at odd hours.

    Honestly! The charm of the original was that the music itself was a seduction....the lines blurred.....It wasn't just rumpy pumpy!!! And the phantom doesn't even lurk anymore. He barges through doors and talks about past trysts! AND DID EVERYONE FORGET HE WAS A MURDERER!?

    Anyway.....I know it's an aside but I just had to get that off my chest.
    John Carter was ATLEAST watchable!
  15. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Sorry. I liked the original Phantom in Gaston Leroux's book....Not this whiney, angst ridden Nicholas Sparks version of him.
  16. Hayley B

    Hayley B Well-Known Member

    Me too and I liked Princess and the Frog too.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't tend to say so, but considering the bear's out of the bag, there's a LOT more humor in the film when said person turns into a bear and becomes the comic relief for a sizable part of the film. But like I said, as far as story goes, it's the best Princess thing to come out of Disney, at least since the Little Mermaid-Aladdin period. Still, I gotta say I'm disappointed that they had to market the movie with fashion dolls. It does seem a little hypocritical, but that's the only merchandise that apparently appeals to little girls anyway.

    But I wouldn't say it's unsophisticated. It has very touching moments that aren't over the top cryfests (like Up and Toy Story 3). It's no Ratatoullie (which was too sophisticated for the little ones... the gourmet food jokes were destined to go over a lot of heads anyway), but it's certainly a lot more sophisticated than some of their earlier films, not to mention both Cars films. Plus, it doesn't just stand on a soap box like Wall*e does. It's a Pixar film that doesn't seem like one, and that means they aren't stuck in the cute thing learns a lesson rut.

    It seems like a movie Disney would have made on their own, if they weren't so destined to follow the formula, as aptly explained by the Warner Brothers and Sister...

    I missed that due to my inability to want to hang around for an hour and a half, not to mention being in a bad mood that day and not wanting to take it out on the poor film. So I saw Yogi Bear and had a very grouchy time. I have to admit, that was kind of fun to be in a ticked off mood and seeing a bad film and to be able to complain about it.

    But like I always say, Disney took slack for being the Princess movie factory, and then when they stopped everyone was like "HEY! Where's the Princesses?!?" Lilo and Stitch was one of the few post-Princess movies that actually hit a cord with the audience... at least before the CGI conversion... and even then, it took until Bolt.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Some interesting things about Avengers...

    The movie is approaching (or has approached) the 600 M mark

    Just a little further and it can unseat the over rated Titanic. I think it can make it before all is said and done. Hopefully the second run theaters can give it a boost before it comes to home video (really insanely early... it's due AUGUST!) But it's far too long in the box office to get rid of Avatar's record.

    Also, sour grapes loser who made the Battleship movie blames Avengers for the film being a flop

    Sure... don't blame the fact it was an idiotic idea that the populous is in agreement about. Joss Whedon made a good movie. Try doing that.
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  19. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Good to hear. It is a great movie and deserves all the money it gets.
    I saw Madagascar last night. Seriously, why'd this movie get good reviews? It was juts weird and dumb.
    They were lucky to be the only family film for two weeks, becuase I don't think many people would go to that over Brave.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Madagascar is dumb... but in the sense that it doesn't take itself seriously and tries too hard to stand on a soap box about something it really doesn't believe in. It's far less smug and self satisfying than their Shrek franchise. Madagascar is all about loud nonsensical fun, and it has an obvious following of younger kids. Like younger than 6. Ones that wouldn't appreciate Pixar's (relative) subtlety and maturity.

    I find that Dreamworks turned a corner, and started giving us smart movies like Monsters Vs. Aliens, Kung Fu Panda, and Megamind (which was a little adult... but only because the subject matter is a little sophisticated for younger kids). Madagascar's the last franchise that came out of the earlier era, and hopefully this is the last movie before the Penguin spinoff. I think they ended things nicely, anything else will spoil it.
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