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Weekly Box Office & Film Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jvcarroll, May 20, 2012.

  1. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    They are actually planning a fourth movie to go with it.
    I hate these DreamWorks movies, (Shrek,Monsters Vs. Aliens, Madagascar) their humor is just plain weird. There were some good jokes in Europe's Most Wanted, but it was mostly just plain dumb.
    I don't know if any of you seen the movie, but some stuff were waaay to stupid. I need to rant about it somewhere. ( Minimal spoilers here, it won't ruin the expierience for you, the movie will do that by itself)
    I don't know why that stupid French lady would chase them halfway across the world, and she hides a gun inside a big #1 finger to shoot Alex, but I don't understand why she would hide a gun if she was going to shoot him in front of a crowd of about 300 people.
    And the fact that the tiger can jump through a hoop the size of a ring the whole movie is just dumb and makes no sense.
    They wrapped up the series well by the end though. If they make a fourth movie in the end, I'm going to yell. Really loud. :grr:
  2. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I love DreamWorks' contribution to animation! How To Train Your Dragon and the Kung Fu Panda movies are as beautiful as they are engaging.

    Of course I like Pixar too, yet they have become a little stuffy and formulaic in recent years. Even the better films seem to lose their way and sag in the middle. Even though Up and Wall-E have great first acts, I stop caring half way in. I'd almost go so far to say that I don't like Pixar as much as I like Brad Bird films because I haven't been completely satisfied with one of their films since Ratatouille.

    I guess it's a matter of taste. DreamWorks thinks outside of the box. Sometimes it works. Other times it really doesn't. Calling a film weird is a compliment in this marketplace because it's so hard to get anything interesting past studio executives.

    _______​
    I just saw Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and enjoyed it very much. It's not the greatest film and it appears to be missing a layer of development. I can't quite pinpoint what it is. Nonetheless, an enjoyable B movie with a budget.​
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If they do, there's not much more to the story they can add, since (mild spoiler, but you saw it anyway)



    They basically abandon the zoo completely and have found a more satisfying venue.


    I'm sure they will try for it, but it's best for the film series they don't. Just give us the Penguin movie.

    Like I said, Brave does manage to get out of Pixar's rut... I love Up... Wall*e I enjoyed, but got up on a soapbox for most of the movie.... other than that, they've pretty much been doing sequels lately. Dreamworks has managed to become quite a deal smarter with their films, especially when they realized how idiotic SharkTale was. And I'm absolutely convinced that was a stab at Pixar for not wanting to do the bad version of Toy Story. You know the "edgy" one where Woody intimidates and threatens the other toys with bad puns? I found Shrek 3 to be sloppy, but the fourth one to be strangely more mature, relying less on farts and pop culture references and actually focusing on intriguing story telling. Like I said before, Shrek 3's biggest problem was that the 2 best concepts of the film got pushed aside for Puss and Donkey capering.

    Meanwhile, Megamind was a brilliant film that went to a psychological level of cartoon standby super villainy, as well as find a new angle in the dusty, overused Super Hero parody genre. I deeply regret missing out on "How to Train your Dragon," but hear nothing but good things. And I'm completely intrigued by their November film about the Guardians. Unfortunately I can't say the same about some of the upcoming ones....

    The Croods about cave people. This was originally developed for the long dissolved Dreamworks/Aardman partnership. Originally, the film was written by John Cleese and delayed a bunch of times before they decided to make it on their own... and it got delayed even more.

    Turbo.... a film about a snail that wants to be a Nascar racer.... I kinda want to break something for even discovering it's existence...

    Then there's Peabody and Sherman, which doesn't sound too good from the plot line. It has a lot to do with screwing up the time space continuum... even though true Bullwinkle fans know that the WAYBAC machine is a "What if" machine, not a true time machine (as revealed in the first cartoon, where it was rebuilt for JUST that purpose). Plus Robert Downy Jr. dropped out of the project, so that lost my interest...

    There's something called Me and my Shadow that doesn't even have a plot yet...

    and then I found this...


    yeah.... Now I REALLY gotta break something. And they had me at Tim Hill.
  4. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    :laugh: I'm always thinking of this Animaniacs skit when I'm currently watching a Disney movie. Love to point out alot of the similarities to them. Tangled's ending made me think of Beauty and Beast's for one. Lion King made me think of Bambi in the past.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    My dislike of Pocahontas around here is well known. It was the Princess film that broke the mouse's back, and it started the slide to non-princess stories (even though Mulan is considered one). And they had mixed results since, with the best success being Lilo and Stitch... a movie that was so popular, it had a record 3 DTV sequels... 2 of the cartoon series alone. Make that 4, if you include the video board game. But Brother Bear and Home on the Range, they're basically forgotten (even though Brother Bear got a sequel).

    The problem is, Princess movies are a formula, but a time tested one, and in a good movie, you can't see formula and cliche. Pocahontas wasn't. It made everything stick out like a sore thumb. Which is why it took them until Princess and the Frog to do another princess film.

    Brave is a princess film, but I wouldn't say it was a Disney princess film. Sure, it was a princess who didn't like her lot in life... but... it wasn't her singing a bunch of songs and looking pretty while doing it. The mother/daughter relationship IS the key to the movie, and it adds levels that weren't in other Princess films. It was even deeper than the Father Daughter relationship in The Little Mermaid (that stood as a template for the princess movie formula). In fact, if anything, Merida's father is pretty supportive and (I don't know how much of a spoiler I could call this, since it's the first thing that happens in the movie, but Highlight to read anyway) her father even gives her her fist bow for her birthday. The mother doesn't come off too much of a beast, either... but that goes into more spoilers...
  6. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    I do enjoy some Dreamworks movies. Shark Tale, How To Train Your Dragon and MegaMind especially. I also like Kung Fu Panda
    What I don't like is the path DreamWorks decide to take. I don't find their humor funny in Shrek, Madagascar, Monster Vs. Aliens and all those movies. Dreamworks does have good movies, I can't deny that, but certain movies that they released, one, too many.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Most of those movies are in Dreamworks' past, however...

    Though Turbo sends shivers down my spine.
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  8. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    Never saw Brother Bear or Home on the Range. I remembered someone I use chat too, got disappointed with how much Brother Bear got at the box office. He loved Brother Bear. As for the ones that saw Home on the Range. Alot of them said don't bother seeing this one.

    My mother refused to see Pocahontas. I saw it, it's pretty much a meh to me when I think of it. But thinking of similarities again. They always seem to have a little bug or a little animal along with them for a sidekick.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Brother Bear wasn't as bad as everyone let on. Sure, it wasn't one of Disney's best... but it did Native American legend better than that certain other movie. Plus having the McKenzie brothers as Moose pretty much held my interest in the film.

    Home on the Range?.... uh... I can't explain it without a drug reference. I still wonder if I liked the film or not. It was stylish, and I liked how it looked.... but it was just weird. And not funny Gonzo enjoyable weird... jarring, almost disturbing, weird.

    Yeah, every Disney character has some sidekick animal... but what made Pocahontas dull for me was how painfully unfunny those characters were, and the refusal to make them talk.

    Think of it this way.

    In Aladdin, are you prone to thinking more about Genie, Abu, Iago, the befuddle sultan, or Aladdin and Jasmine themselves? When you think Lion King, I'm sure Timon and Pumbaa pop up even before the Lions. I can't even remember the name of the humming bird and Racoon in that film.
  10. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    I remembered the Racoon was called Meeko. I remembered the little pug was named Percy.
  11. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I like weird. Dreamworks does fork over a lot of it. Some works, some doesn't. But all attempts are valid through my Gonzoish lens. :concern:
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dreamworks and Pixar are fine with me. And Like I've said a hundred times before, it's those third party and off brand studios I'm more hit and miss about.

    As far as that's concerned, I'm not happy about the extortion Fox is pulling with Ice Age 4. I was all set to ignore that to next Tuesday until the announcement that the second EVER Simpsons theatrical cartoon (a short this time) will accompany the film.

    I cannot pass that up. I've been a life long Simpsons fan. And I mean Tracy Ullman short life long. I regret missing the theatrical release of Fever Pitch for the American Dad short just because I didn't want to see that movie... same deal with missing National Treasure 2's Goofy Short. Heck, I'd pay to see that short and leave.
  13. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Whoa, wait! They are having an adult show short before a family film? Does that even make sense? What are they thinking?!
  14. Hayley B

    Hayley B Active Member

    I heard a little about the Simpsons short. It's just going to have Maggie? Or just about Maggie?
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Simpsons has been ruled kid friendly since its inception. I grew up when the Simpsons just started, and all the merchandising was focused mainly on children... Children's size T-shirts, Bart Simpson Juice Boxes... even the comic book series, which was touted in several issues of Disney Adventures.

    That said, I'm not really sure I'd call Ice Age a kid's movie anymore. There was that gay joke in the third one that was kinda... eh... not kid appropriate.
  16. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I finally saw Brave. Meh. It was okay. I'll be skipping the Blu-ray. Here's how I rate the films:


    1. Incredibles (Most perfect Pixar film ever. Reinvented the superhero film.) A+
    2. Ratatouille (Touching, quieter film saved by Brad Bird.)A+
    3. Monsters Inc (Love the monsters. Could have been scarier and more muppety.)B+
    4. Finding Nemo (Stunning visuals. Dory keeps the film afloat. Not a lot of repeat viewings.)B
    5. Toy Story 2 (Better than the first. Still, none of the toys represent any I had as a kid)B
    6. Wall-E (Stellar first act. Goes downhill from there. Preaches more than it inspires.)C+
    7. Toy Story (I never quite loved this movie. Jim Henson’s Secret Life of Toys has a better premise.)C+
    8. Up (Colorful! Fantastic love story. Loved Kevin the Bird. The rest seemed dull and aimless.)C
    9. Toy Story 3 (Noble effort. Great ending. Still, it didn’t really touch me. I didn’t cry.)C
    10. Cars (Beautiful period esthetics. Great moral. Little soul.)C
    11. Brave (Beautiful. Great heroin. Bland music. Forgettable story.)C-
    12. Cars 2 (Scraps any charm from the first. Quick pacing helps. Primarily made to sell toys.)C-
    13. Bug’s Life (I liked this film better when it was the Three Amigos. Antz had better writing.)D
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You know... I'm starting to wonder if I really want to see Amazing Spider-Man. I do not like Sally Field as Aunt May (I don't like Sally at all, even in Mrs. Doubtfire... actually, I have to amend that... I HATED her in Mrs. Doubtfire), and I hate to be that guy... but I don't think ANYONE can be as strong a J. Jonah Jameson as the guy who played him in the other film trilogy. I do kinda want to see it, but not half as much as I want to see Dark Knight or even Ted.

    If it's just about Maggie, then it makes up for the fact the writers seem to forget that she's a member of the family. Mainly because she's the daughter they can't use as a soap box for. She is my second favorite Simpson kid, and third favorite member of the immediate family (fourth favorite when you count Abe).

    Seriously... 2 theatrical cartoons in the show's 20+ year history... One actual movie too.
  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    This Spidey takes place in high school where Peter is a photographer for the school paper. They'll have to think of the Daily Bugle and J Jonah Jameson for the next film. I'm not sure how they'll work that out because it appears that print media is dead in this world pretty much like it is in the real one. Good-to-great reviews so far.

    Amazingly, Ted and Magic Mike are receiving much higher scores than anyone predicted. This weekend will be interesting. I'm not sure which one will win out or if it will be another Brave weekend.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They'll have a place for him somewhere. I'm sure Marvel found a nice place for the character in the post paper world. I just don't know because I don't follow mainstream comics (they keep killing everyone off and rebooting it and starting the cycle over again... and NO Plastic Man?!?!) It does look like a good movie, and I hope it takes the bad taste of Spidey-3 out... but I'm not going to lose sleep if I accidentally or financially have to miss it. I'll try to see it, though. I'm sort of pumped, I guess. Just not as pumped for Batman. Plus... well... Avengers is still burned in my mind, and that kinda hurts the rest of them. it's a hard act to follow.

    Ted's clearly got the college crowd and Seth MacFarline fans to see that film. I haven't the money to see it this weekend, unfortunately (hence why I'm torn between that and Spidey... I'll have money then). It does seem like an interesting concept, and I'm glad he decided to make it a movie instead of another TV show (that concept would get old fast, and just become like everything else he's done in time). I almost got the chance to see some of the film being shot, but never was able to get to Gloucester that day...

    Side note... I WAS at the very mall they were shooting Paul Blart at. And If I didn't run to KB to look to see if they had something, I would've seen Kevin James...

    As for Magic Mike... I'm sure it has a certain audience in mind (50 Shades of a certain Audience). But I can't help think about Who's starring in the film and why he continues to get work. I bet he has those teeth from that episode of Pinky and the Brian.

    But for Brave... well, it's only as strong as however strong a family audience is. Spidey will be it's biggest competition, but it's got a whole weekend before then. I don't see the same people who would see either of those other movies adding or subtracting to their potential audience. They're both "R" films, after all.
  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    You're right. I think Brave will stay at number one, but unlike Afro Circus I see drop-off because viewers are less likely to come for repeat viewings.
    I predict something like this (give or take a few M)

    $29M Brave
    $22M Ted
    $18M Magic Mike

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