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What Disney Needs to do....

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Drtooth, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We've had a lot of "Disney Blame game" stuff lately, and whether you believe they are helping (which they aren't) or they aren't, we can agree that us fans are getting the shaft. So here's my highly improbable list of things they SHOULD do with the Muppets...

    • They should find a sutable TV vehicle for them and put it on one of the many networks they own. No "mini-movies!" An actual half hour show in which they actually star with a guest star playing second. like the old shows.
    • Relaunch Muppet Babies. no more Baby Pooh. no More Baby Princesses. You own the ORIGINAL. Even if they do not release it on DVD, at least put them on various Baby porducts to bring back their popularity.
    • Make a 3-4 disk CD box of music featured on The Muppet Show. Even if it's just a rerelease of the old LP's with a few bonus tracks. They shut down a certain site, fine. But give us a purchaseable alternative.
    • Make a deal with some companies to make better merchandise. The T-shirts are good, the replicas are awesome. But we need something that really gets the fan base excited. You know, like What Palisades did with the AF line.
    • Make a movie that doesn't star some flavor of the month pop star. make sure it gets plenty of rewrites so it doesn't seem rushed through.
    • Release the final 3 seasons, then release MT. Then find a way to release what's left.
    • And above all.... they need to realise they don't need to just cater to a 12 year old girl demographic. That way they'll see there is a prominant Muppet fan base that cares about their passion.
    While they clearly won't do this (unless someone's willing to start up a letter writing campaign), this seems to be what isn't happening, but should be.
     
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Those are all good ideas. Letter writing campaigns can definitely be effective. However, I honestly don't think Disney would never do these things. I used to think that way, that certain things could never happen. But I've changed my way of thinking lately, since I never thought half we things we've gotten would ever be available.

    Disney could be trying harder. I don't mind being a little critical. I'm just not going to assume things could never get better.
     
  3. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    Good list, Dr. Tooth.

    This is positive critque.
    Hopefully if anyone within the Disney company sees it--they'd take the advice on this potential checklist.
     
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I believe things coulda shoulda woulda get better. That's the problem. They aren't TRYING too hard. They just don't seem to want to focus on anything that doesn't feature Micky or Pooh or isn't for a 12 year old girl demographic so far. I think they should stop testing the waters and saying "it looks too cold" and just plunge in.

    If they can just get one big project off the ground and get it to be mildly successful at least, they'd be able to sucessfully relaunch the characters.

    If they can at least write up plans for something big, and not drop it half way through because they can make a bigger profit with something that only appeals to a small group, then I'll at least give them credit.

    I'm glad they released the DVD's, and I'm glad the reson it took us 2 years to get TMS S2 was due to them wrestling with song copywrite issues because we were disappointed that TMS S1 was cut. You see, if they took whoever was doing that to the DVD's and make THEM the head of Muppet Offshore Caman Island Holdings (Simpsons Reference) then things wouldn't be too bad.
     
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I'm annoyed about the 12 year old demographic as well, lol. Unfortunately that's always been the case. That sort of demographic is more profitable because kids are very eager for merchandise and they have parents very willing to make lots and lots of purchases, lol.
     
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Honestly, if there's one demographic I don't mind, it's the 10 year old boy market. A lot of great stuff, like Transformers and the Ninja Turtles cartoon series (the comic came first, and was for older comic fans) came out of them...

    But here's what puzzles me.... they want the 12 year old girl market, but they don't really aknowledge This show of theirs, which actually had a positive female role model. (I could get into the hypocracy of putting positive female leads in boy cartoons, then making cartoons for girls that star vacuous airheads, like Bratz, but I don't want to).


    That said, most of us fans (I say that cuz I'm always flat broke) have disposable income when it comes to the things we like. When a parent can always say "no," us older fans say, "I can do without eating today!"
     
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh don't get me started! Lol Television in general still has no idea how to protray positive female role models. And sadly a big portion of the young female audience (and their parents) don't care.
     
  8. KermieBaby47

    KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

    Ugh, tell me about it. When we have kids, the majority of their TV time (which won't be much, we'll mostly be doing stuff OUTSIDE, ack! Run screaming children of today!) will be watching the cool shows & movies I grew up with; quality hand-drawn animation, usually with a lesson and/or a positive message.

    I very much like your list el Doctor. My little brother (who is almost 22) is always asking me, "heard anything about Muppet Babies yet?", mostly meaning DVD season sets, but also merchandise - as I had shown him the MB sculpts from Palisades before they very sadly went out of business.

    Also extremely tired of seeing these little 10 to 12 year old girls wearing belly shirts and high heels like the Bratz *****es. My older brother lets his step-daughters wear that junk and I want to punch him out.

    And yeah, a new show would be the best thing ever!
     
  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    That's how I feel too. When I have children, I will definitely make the effort to introduce them to quality. I won't assume whatever is on the TV at the moment must be OK.

    I'll let them discover things on their own too of course. There are plenty of shows I love that my parents didn't enjoy lol. But my parents also inspired me to appreciate the wonderful shows and music they'd grown up with. I learned that old does not have to equal bad.

    Though yeah, they should spend most of their time outdoors being active, hehe. But I've always enjoyed having a soundtrack I loved in my head while playing outside. It's good to have a balance. :)
     
  10. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    uh-oh...>_>
     
  11. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    That's a good idea. I think it's a positive way to bring out the things we want. Otherwise they get lost in a whole bunch of pro-con arguments...



    • Now, personally, this is something I cannot see happening for many many years. Firstly, There are no shows quite like that, with which to compare the demographic. Secondly, the demand isn't there, dispite what we say. Thirdly, we may need mini-movies to reintroduce them. And, heck, if we are getting mini-movies, yay! I'd love to see short complete stories about the Muppets on TV.

      YES! If the Bratz can release Bratz Babyz, then Disney can produce CGI Muppet Babies. And people would buy them. Because half the new generation only knows the Muppets as Babies anyway.

      Again, YES! Really, does it cost that much to produce? Not compared with many other things. Heck, we fans could put together something for free...

      Also, get this merch into shops. Yes, there's a lot in the Disney store. But I haven't seen Muppet Merch, for sale, since I was about five.

      I'm thinking, VMC meets MTI and everyone would be happy.

      This could take a while, but at least announce it guys.

      I don't know how they came to think that the Muppet audience was the younger age. This happend pre-Disney though, and has just continued on into there.

      But...Mwoo wasn't aimed at 12-year-olds...neither was VMC, nor MFS. Don't forget that.

      Now...The Muppets just appeared on one of the highest-ranking tv series of prime-time television, America's Got Talent. Piggy was on the Late, Late show, and Rizzo and Pepe appeared in tutus on the MDA Telethon. You can't tell me that Disney isn't doing anything.
    While they clearly won't do this (unless someone's willing to start up a letter writing campaign), this seems to be what isn't happening, but should be.[/QUOTE]
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, that's the sad thing. but if the demand isn't there, they can't just hype something up? A lot of things I've seen on TV there is no call for, but they hype it up and people want to watch it.



    Well.... I'm on the fence about a new show completely. There are truely wonderful kid's shows, like Arthur and Cureous George that actually can apeal to parents that should monitor the TV viewings of little kids. But then there's loud obnoxious garbage like Super Why and the like, where they dumb things down as far as possible and pretend the medium of TV is "interactive."

    So a new MB series could go either way. Plus, by just featuring them on products for a bit, it will bring interrest back to the characters, and maybe we could see some DVD's.


    Other than music rights, there's nothing that should stand in their way. As long as we don't get dated horrible pop stars of today cover the songs in a crummy way that no one will be happy with, It'll be great.


    That I do blame on society. Along with animation, people seem to think it's a way to keep those little brats happy for a half hour, and not a true art form. Then they sit back and watch truely juvenile crud like Judge fill in the blank and some reality show where people do dispicable things that not even poorly behaved 3 year olds are capable of.

    However, my complaint is that Disney (well.... not only them, but Warners and Viacom, to be fair) gives priority towards 12 year old girls, due to the fact they like to spend a lot of money. A while back people were actually complaining that not enough 12 year old girls were watching TV, and that they were an untapped market. Now look at the Frankenstine tearing through town.

    However, I will say, the decision to make Ashanti (I forget her name) the star of MOZ was definately a trick to get 12 year old girls to watch. VMC was geared towards older audiences and kids, but MFS was soley geared to kids (I think Sony could have had a hand in it), especially since they rewrote brilliant stuff Jerry came up with.

    I will say that I'm not completely right with that. I'm happy we have some TV appearances here and there. But while I really shouldn't say they're doing nothing, they're just not doing anything epic to stirr up public interrest. I mean the season sets sold pretty good. You think someone would take the hint.

    Maybe they should hire whoever does the DVD's to run the Muppet Holding whatever. He seems to care. I mean, the reason season 2 was delayed was the rights issues with S1. It shows that they can do something good when they have to.

    My anger is that they aren't doing anything big. They can. They just choose not to because they don't think it will make a fortune right away.

    Remember boys and girls.... In the Entertainment Business, there's more emphisis on "Business" than "entertainment."
     
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Disney is schizophrenic, lets face it.

    As Frogboy said, the Muppets were a mere pawn in a political wrangling entanglement.

    Disney could quietly announce their retiring the Muppets cept for a few commercials a year and a box set and Muppet fans would be all "yipppeee! Thank you lord Mouse! Were so grateful to you"

    forget that.

    We've seen no evidence Disney plans to fulfil any of their promises, or deliver.

    I wish JHC could buy em back and have a much better arrangement who TRULY cares about them do something wondeful with em.

    What about Sony? They release all the Sesame Stuff. Disney just aint working out.

    And as the Muppets continue to slip into forever obscurity, pointing out the obvious will get you called "being negative".
    I don't want to see the Muppets put into obscurity, I want to see them rise to glory once again...but AS themselves, not a Disnified shell of themselves.
     
  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I just think it will take a long time for the Muppets to find the right person/company that works for them. In my opinion, it wasn't working before Disney. And as someone said before, Disney is missing opportunities.

    People do forget that Disney was pretty much gone after Walt died, and throughout the '70s and '80s. Various factors happened to come together in the early '90s that resurrected their empire. I think that's how these things happen. They can't be predicted. That's why these things are classic. But I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine the Muppets will eventually get back their moment. It may be with Disney, or maybe not. Have to wait and see (and keep showing your friends and children your DVDs! Lol).
     
  15. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    :3 I have to agree.

    I just got an idea now that you said that Heralde...I love yah.

    X3

    LOL!

    *Has a plan*
     
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh! Wow...Well great! Hehe Good luck with that! :halo:
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly what I'm saying. They need to try to do this stuff. it's not that they're refusing to give us fans what we want to be mean, but rather they don't care.

    Disney purchased the Muppets because the mortality of their company without Pixar was creeping in. Their last few animated movies made no sense ('specially the cow one) and little money. Pixar was their only chance at profit (before that you need to be High to watch the School Musical). Now that they own Pixar, there's no reason to try.
     
  18. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Active Member

    Right ON, my brotha from a different motha!

    BJ
     
  19. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Um... Barnyard isn't a Pixar film, it was a Nickelodeon film. :rolleyes:

    Disney purchasing Pixar was the best for both companies. John Lasseter is bringing back 2D animation, there's gonna be new shorts, a new 2D movie, things are looking up for Disney animation. That's the kind of person we need running the MHC. Or, heck, why not bring Eisner back to run it, it seemed to be the only thing he was running right!
     
  20. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Active Member

    I think he was talking about Home On The Range, not Barnyard. :smirk:

    BJ
     


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