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What improvements would you have made to The Muppets Film 2012 (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Puppet crazy, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Puppet crazy

    Puppet crazy Well-Known Member

    Firstly I really enjoyed the film, but a few things would have made it better for me.
    The biggest change would be the editing of the ending. I would rather this....

    1. End song followed by the tittle "THE END"

    2. Cut to Gonzo coming in with the bowling ball and Tex. (Not showing the shot of Tex laughing afterward because most people actually thought that meant it was an out take.)

    3. New Flash with Tex in hospital "Giving back theatre"

    4. AND THEN, pan to Gary and Mary’s proposal leading to Mahna Mahna during credits.

    For nostalgic reasons I also felt the Muppet stage and backstage should have been identical to how it was in the Muppet show.
    Seeing them interact behind the old backstage set again would have been as magical as it was hearing Rainbow Connection again.
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I definitely enjoyed the movie a lot too. But if I was going to tweet a couple of things:

    Just in general more funny moments with the Muppets and less exposition.

    The Electric Mayhem should have at least one song.

    Some '70s reference because The Muppet Show was more of a '70s phenomenon, not an '80s.

    And making the fart joke thing into an actual joke, rather than a studio mandate to make the movie "hip," that would be nice too, lol.
  3. LinkiePie<3

    LinkiePie<3 Well-Known Member

    New Pigs in Space sketch. =D

    I would love to see some conflict between Link/Piggy. xDDD
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  4. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

    Hmm.. If there was something I could change to the already perfect movie..

    I would say the 30 second flashback during Tex's rap..it gives us SO much more insight into why he's being so mean..It would have also made the end make so much more sense!

    And this isn't major, but I think they should've added Mary's cutaway to Gary when they agree to clean up the theatre..you can tell it was cut..watch her face right before Kermit says Great!
  5. Puppet crazy

    Puppet crazy Well-Known Member

    I liked Kermit’s "pictures in my head" but children needed something more visual during the second verse as they were getting restless.

    Perhaps the Electric Mayhem could have sang a few separate lines of " Pictures in my Head" .
    Then it becomes a song not only about Kermit reminiscing, but the Electric Mayhem wanting the band back too.
  6. Puppet crazy

    Puppet crazy Well-Known Member

    It would be nice to see Bunsen and Beaker help bring back the electricity in a funny Muppet Labs way with Mary after Tex cuts the power out.

    It could have been a very funny scene having beaker running a treadmill or something similar.
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  7. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    all these ideas are great
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Though the film was perfect as it is, here are some changes I would have made:

    1. More Muppet images in "Pictures in my Head", mainly sections for Scooter, Rowlf, and Bunsen & Beaker, and several smaller pictures of other characters (who don't exactly get their own sections).

    2. Before the Muppets learn that Animal is in anger management, they go to pick up the rest of the band first, who inform them that Animal is in anger management.

    3. More characters in the montage, including Lew Zealand, Rizzo and the rats, Wayne and Wanda, and maybe a few more characters.

    4. A number from Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.

    5. Either a new Veterinarian's Hospital or Pigs in Space sketch.
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  9. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    i was hoping they would round up pepe :rolleyes:
  10. Puckrox

    Puckrox Well-Known Member

    1. More Muppets in 'Pictures In My Head' (also, in my heart of hearts, I wish that song were longer)
    2. Rizzo and Gonzo... Need I say more?
    3. An Electric Mayhem number
    4. Muppets on bicycles at some point would have been lovely
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Just adding in the scene where Tex explains his hate for the Muppets would do it for me.

    And quite honestly, this really SHOULD have been 2 hours long.
    Puckrox likes this.
  12. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    yes a rizzo and gonzo but if that a rizzo and pepe joke of some sort there funny together :shifty::rolleyes:
    Pepe'sgal90 likes this.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    This is a tiny thing but I don't think Camilla needed subtitles, lol. They could have done it differently and still be effective, plus a little kid in the audience kept asking his Mom, "What did the chicken say?" Lol
    minor muppetz likes this.
  14. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    yea i know and swedish chef dosnt need subs either? lol
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  15. Puckrox

    Puckrox Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I got the joke, that she only clucked twice and she said this big long thing, but I would've liked no subtitles better.
  16. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I wish they could put it on the dvd like a Extra like the smurf christmas on the smurfs dvd it could be Kermit :) introducing Walter to all of idols muppets that he hasnt met yet
  17. blackaerin

    blackaerin Well-Known Member

    Pictures in My Head reprised near the end, this time more hopeful and triumphant than sad and regretful in the original.
    (More Muppets in the original song would've been lovely as well, just a whole hall of singing Muppet portraits.)

    Definitely a proper Electric Mayhem number.

    The band being picked up first rather than Animal, and Floyd would argue with the anger management lady on what's best for Animal.

    Have the rats be part of Gonzo's company, with Rizzo being his #2 guy. I find tiny little rats bossing around humans funny and Rizzo would probably be alongside Camilla in helping Gonzo make his decision to return to showbiz if a little begrudging.

    Bunsen and Beaker save the day when Tex cuts the power lines. I'm pretty sure it's perfectly in character for Bunsen to donate a radioactive potato battery or put together a treadmill generator as Puppet crazy has suggested to power the theater temporarily.

    And have the full Richman rap and maybe a scene to properly explain his inability to laugh and why he's against the Muppets.

    The Moopets have a proper villainous role. They didn't do very much besides glare angrily and scare the bejeezus out of Fozzie. Before watching the movie, I theorized that they would kidnap the Muppets they look like and impersonate them during the marathon and try to sabotage the show. Of course, this being the Muppets, their attempts actually end up helping the show and make it funnier.

    A nice quiet scene with Kermit and Robin talking together, just Kermit trying to be optimistic for the success of the show and Robin reassuring him that everything will be great now that everyone's together and it ends with the two of them just watching everyone work.

    More Muppet interactions in general and being their zany selves.
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  18. Puppet crazy

    Puppet crazy Well-Known Member

  19. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Well-Known Member

    I really enjoyed the movie and loved how it tied in with the continuity of the Muppet Show series rather than being stand alone like most Muppet Movies usually are.

    However while we did see small cameos by characters like Pepe and Big Mean Carl and Bobo's role was excellent too, it would have been nice to at least had some token references in recognition of the short lived revival attempt Muppets Tonight. Would Gary and Walter have enjoyed that even if they preferred the original Muppet Show?

    Though there is one scene where a building is seen with the KMUP banner next to Tex's building. A loose homage to the old Muppet Television Studio?
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm probably the ONLY person here that's not begrudging the lack of newer characters, only because we had Rowlf and Scooter as something besides background characters standing there to say "nostalgia." Rizzo has been a huge part of the last 3 theatrical features, but it wasn't even until MTM when Rizzo actually became more of a character. In GMC, he had like 2 lines... I don't even know if he was a character when TMM was filmed. I would like to have seen more Gonzo screentime, but those were obviously in the deleted bits. The fact he contributes to the ending's punchline is the only reason I forgive his smaller role. And you gotta admit, at least there was a nice allegory for the fact they were trying to reinvent Gonzo in the 90's, so he doesn't do anything Gonzo-like. We all love him more when he's doing stupid crazy stunts.

    Here's the thing about Robin. His biggest movie role was in MCC... his second biggest was The Muppet Movie where he asked Uncle Kermit if this was exactly how the Muppets met. Like I said, I can't begrudge a film for not having certain characters, especially characters who never had big roles in a movie anyway. I agree we needed a full Electric Mayhem number (and we were going to get one under one pass of the script), but the fact they actually sang a line is an improvement over the last 3 theatrical films. Heck, last line Dr. Teeth said in a theatrical film was "Shalom" and you never see them again.

    But you figure... a LOT of the characters in the film were NOT in any of the original films. And even if they were, they were background characters. Link had some lines in a song... we saw Wayne and Wanda... surely we can forgive a couple absentees for some old school characters that got their first substantial screen time.

    Overall, there's nothing wrong with the film that couldn't have been solved with more movie. More Muppet interaction, more characters, a stronger ending... if the film was 2 hours (which it should have been) it would have had all of it. It doesn't severely need it, but the major scenes that were cut were indeed more Muppet interactions (the jail sequence, the awards show, a rehearsal scene).

    The improvement that needs to be made for the next film is that they need a story they can tell in 60 minutes, leaving at least 30 minutes for Muppet Wackiness.
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