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What improvements would you have made to The Muppets Film 2012 (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Puppet crazy, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I would have loved to have them do like it could be for the dvd a special like 30 minute mini muppets movie and show the actul wedding of kermit and piggy and gary and mary
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  2. Pepe'sgal90 Member

    agreed :)
  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    In the manner of which it was presented in the final film, yes. The original intent? No.

    We all know this by now, but Tex was supposed to give his backstory during the number, but it was cut (because 2 minutes would have just KILLED the flow of the movie :rolleyes: ). Now, if that scene was in the final film, and the rap did what it was supposed to do, it would have worked. It seemed strange and a little too short the way it came out.

    Like I said... we need MORE movie! :zany:
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  4. muppet maniac Well-Known Member

    I, like everyone else here, enjoyed the film lots and agree that it was the best of the post-Jim Muppet era. And while there were some things I would have loved to have been added in or explored, the movie was still enjoyable the way it turned out in the end. Because trust me, the movie would have been REALLY bad if...

    -It was all in CGI, with the Muppets voiced by people other than the Muppeteers, and Muppets Studio having nothing to do with it whatsoever.

    -It was another literary adaptation movie like MCC, MTI, and MWO

    -Mary acted like a selfish, whiny, manipulative brat who would get back at Gary for forgetting their anniversary by attempting to jump off a cliff

    -The movie was geared towards kids rather than all ages

    -The Muppets sparkled in sunlight

    -The movie was done entirely with sock puppets posing as Muppet characters

    -The characters rapped, swore, did drugs, and other un-Muppety things, giving it a PG-13 rating

    -The Muppets sparkled in sunlight

    -They stuck with the original plot from the early drafts about Gary being a ventriloquist and Walter as his dummy

    -Kim Kardashian (why is she famous, exactly?) made a cameo...more than once

    -The Muppets sparkled in sunlight

    -The movie was sped-up real fast, with everyone sounding like Chipmunks

    -Tommy Wisseau produced, directed and wrote the film, and starred as Gary ("You're teaaaarrrrrrring me apart, Mary!", "What a story, frog! Ha-ha-ha!", "Oh hai, doggy! I would like to buy these flowers. Thank you. Please. Goodbye!")
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  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Of all the other reasons, this one shone the brightest. I really do like MCC and MTI (I've complained enough about MWO for you to know the reasons), but it would have been a terrible idea to relaunch the franchise on a gimmick, rather than the more organic "getting the gang back together" plot line. That said, what made MCC and MTI good was Jerry Juhl's writing. MWO was a humongous mess of a told too often story, poor casting decisions, and just over all trying too hard to get the wrong demographics, where VMX was lightning in a bottle for the older, hipster crowd.

    Even then, MCC and MTI were both cases of playing it safe as far as Kermit was involved. They were both the first major projects past Jim, and they were pretty wishy washy about how the classic characters would fit in... especially MCC. At least with MTI, they made up for it with new characters.

    If they did another classic retelling, I'd see it, sure... but I wouldn't be as excited about it. And I'd fear that if they launched the franchise back on that sort of mode, we'd ONLY get classic retellings. So in retrospect, it's good that MWO was the Batman and Robin of the franchise. If it was successful on any level, we'd just get more like it.
  6. Scooterforever Active Member

    I didn't like Sarah Silverman's cameo. I hate her, so it kind of tainted the film for me. I mean it's a friggin' family movie, why have a cameo by a person known almost exclusively for R-rated material? It'd be like having Richard Pryor make a cameo in the original Muppet movie, it would... oh wait, he was in the original Muppet movie:oops:;).

    Gonzo seemed to get shafted in the 2nd half of the film, with few lines and screen time, and although he isn't my favorite Muppet, given his prominence throughout the franchise it seems bizarre that he had a relatively small part in the new film. I liked it, but I still wish we would've seen a little less of Gary, Mary, & Walter in favor of the regular Muppets. I think it was kind of a tough situation; the studio knew they had to have major HUMAN stars (as opposed to TMM, where the Muppets are the main stars) in order to do well at the box office, but some Muppet fans who could care less about Jason Segal and Amy Adams were disappointed that they took screen time away from the Muppets.
  7. heralde Well-Known Member

    Only difference is one of those people was actually funny. I'll let you decide which. ;)
  8. brkndwnbus Active Member

    Just have to say, I saw "The Room" performed live at the AFI Theater near D.C. My brother and his friends watch that movie all the time, so for my brother's bachelor party we took him to see a live performance and he got to go on stage with Tommy during the party scene.

    Seeing "The Room" live was something that is impossible to forget. Haha. Great time. Tommy started going nuts at near the end throwing the furniture all over the place. The owner of the theater came in and was none too pleased.
  9. Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Even if I really hated her (I'm indifferent), I wouldn't begrudge a cameo to someone who genuinely loves the Muppets. I WOULD begrudge a forced cameo based on a pun (Kelly Osborne in MWO) or... well... half the sad song cameos we got in MFS, particularly Rob Schneider. He was useless in that movie. He's useless everywhere! Why the heck does he have a sitcom?

    If I were Sarah, I'd be a little disappointed I didn't get a scene with a Muppet in it. Of the things that bugged me about VMX is that William H Macy (whom I simply adore as an actor) only had that one scene, and there wasn't even so much as a Muppet Angel by his side. I hope to see WHM in another Muppet movie or project, preferably one where he actually works directly with them.
  10. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Okay, I've got one.

    Why was it not Rizzo (in a tux) on the phones at the theater ordering that pizza with extra ham? As much as I LOVE the randomness of the dog calling it (Baskerville? Just some random hound? I'm not too sure) and although I always laugh out loud at that bizzare moment, I would have loved to see Rizzo have a line...and it was already about food, and I can totally see him miss-using the pledge-phones for his own devices...being a rat and all...

    I can only think that they decided not to use him at all, because to use him a little would more obviously show up the fact that he was otherwise totally missing?

    I've heard the expression, "There were too many moving pieces" used in reference to keeping all the characters in play in a movie, and I guess that throwing Rizzo in at all would have added him as another moving piece...still, lost opportunity in my opinion.
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  11. DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    I agree with your thoughts there. I think having Pepe in for a bit drew more attention to his absence than if he had no lines. I would rather have had RIzzo have a part than Pepe though (not that I don't like Pepe mind you but Rizzo dates back to the Muppet show).
  12. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I actually loved the Pepe part so much. There's something about Pepe that makes me snigger even when he just says a very few things. His comic timing (or his voice?) is sublime.
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  13. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Rizzo never really hit it big in the movies until MTM. Then of course, since MCC, they paired him with Gonzo. I thought that was a brilliant move for the characters. It's one of those situations that could have been solved by more movie... but Rizzo got a lot of exposure in the last 3 theatrical films, and 2 of the 4 DTV/Special projects (only because he wasn't in KSY and only a Munchkin among other rats in MWO), and like Pepe, he was all over the marketing, even though he wasn't in the movie very long. I'm wondering if he had a bigger role in some of the deleted portions.

    Still, it would have been fun to squeeze him in somewhere else. But the question is where.
  14. JustinHoskie Member

    I think it would've been a bit better if the flashback to Kermit and Piggy's breakup was kept in. That was the only real problem with the movie after I saw it in the theater; There was this big emphasis put on their broken relationship, and I was expecting an explanation on why they weren't together.

    And while I don't really have a problem with it, and fell like the story is perfect, I felt it a bit odd that the Muppets weren't the central characters.
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  15. zoebell Active Member

    well, i think they were once they were all reintroduced and gathered together

    i don't know how necessary the breakup explanation was. i think it was enough that they had broken up in the past at some point- most of kermit and piggy's relationship has always been ambiguous. every person i know who saw it thought they were married though. i don't know if that was the intention but it's certainly how it came across
  16. miss kermie Well-Known Member

    Well, I felt like it lacked some Gonzo. I mean think about it. Fozzie made jokes through the whole thing and had a dramatic buddy scene with Kermit, + his own song. Miss Piggy was part of one of two of the romantic plot lines, which is a big thing. I mean, honestly, I feel that Rowlf had more of a role than Gonzo. Not saying that anything's wrong with that, but Gonzo was.... Dare I say it.... Abackround character!!!

    The Moopets could've had a little more developing too. Like, maybe they could answer my following questions:

    • Why did the Moopets start as a Muppet tribute band, when it seems as though Poogy hates Piggy, and the rest of them just go along with hating the Muppets?
    • So, how'd they find a Fozzie replacement so fast?
    • (More of a deleted scene question.) After they yelled at Richman for oweing money, what happened to them then?
    And yes, they really should have put in a Pigs In Space sketch, I mean why else was Link and Strangepork in their uniforms? They both have casual attire! Thay really don't need to wear it all the time!

    Yupperz, all I have to say.
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  17. JustinHoskie Member

    I think they do show Link and Strangepork a few times in casual attire. The one that comes to mind is during the "We Built This City" sequence when Fozzie shows a picture of his "80s haircut", Link is wearing a "classy casual" outfit (complete with ascot) while sipping tea.

    NOTE: I looked up at the TV while typing this (where the movie is on an almost constant loop) and I did see them in their "Pigs in Space!" uniforms when Miss Piggy comes back. Since the scene is taking place when the Muppets are working on the show, and they're beginning to rehears stuff, it is possible that, in the context of the movie, they were working on a "Pigs in Space" sketch, but, for whatever reason, Kermit decided to cut it, it's script wasn't finished in time for the show, or a certain pig ( :mad: ) decided that she didn't want to do it. :D

    And in terms of the opening number, that's what they wore for the original opening, and they probably wanted it to be as much as the original number as possible.
  18. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I loved the movie, but off the top of my head...
    • An Electric Mayhem song.
    • More Muppets featured in the dance numbers.
    • More of the Muppets inside and outside of the Theatre/Studio
    • A little matte painting of the external Theatre to better match other incarnations.
    • More of the Muppets engaging with humans in the outside world
    • A little more development of "bad guy" Tex.
    • Gary & Mary's scenes should have had more Muppets in them.
    • Cameo actors should have been given more to do than mug for the camera.
    • Getting rid of Miss Piggy's 80's afro once and for all. She's a diva, not a clown.
    • More camera fluidity when filming the Muppets like Jim, Frank and Brian did.
    • More Johnny, Sal and PEPE!
    • Animal telling people to "go home!" after the credits.
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  19. miss kermie Well-Known Member


    Ha Ha Ha, yeah, I agree. I love Piggy, but that fro was ridiculous.
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  20. meepmuppaphones Active Member

    I would've liked:

    -Cameos of Muppet Show guest stars that are still alive.
    -More characters, like Rizzo, Doglion, and ROBIN!
    -More sketches in the Telethon, like Swedish Kitchen, Muppet Labs, Veternarians Hospital, Pigs in Space, ELECTRIC MAYHEM SONG, At the Dance, etc.
    -Fozzie's voice sounds squeaky sometimes should be fixed
    -NO FART SHOES!
    -Tex Richman's background
    -Better ending, it's like they just stuck the ending right after the finale
    -Songs to fit the Muppet Show era (70s or 80s songs), not modern songs (although the Smells Like Teen Spirit barbershop quartet was awesome, that's an exception)
    -I thought Me Party was completely unneccesary.

    So that's it.:jim:
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