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Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by Rosewood, Nov 1, 2005.

  1. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    This may be a question aimed more at people like the moderators and people with connections to Sesame Workshop, but I would also be open for any suggestions from people who are genuinely interested in possibly making some headway here in regards to possibly convincing SW that the old episodes are still important to us.

    The question is this: If we, the people of the first generation, (along with others who wish to become aquainted with it) ever hope to see some of the early episodes (that have now been digitally remastered) again, what do we need to do to convince Sesame Workshop that this is an important subject that needs to be addressed? And what would be the best way to go about it?

    In regards to what Fozzie said recently, If the people of SW really do read our posts here, than this is not something to be taken lightly. And in regards to that I would ask anyone responding to this thread to please do so in a respectfull and mature manner. This is a thread for anyone who wishes to get together and do a little "brainstorming", if you will. I am open for any serious, productive suggestions from anyone. However, little petty, snide, or immature comments of any kind will not be tollerated and will immediatly be refered to a moderator. This thread will now be open for discussion. :)
  2. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member


    I am supportive in that you want to see more classic episodes available, but how do you want them to be shown? Do you want them to air complete episodes from the past, some more classic clips thrown in to the current shows, classic episodes released in a dvd set? How?

    Also, remember that they include older clips in many of the Sesame Street DVD/home videos released. in A Celebration of Me, Grover there were a lot of great classic moments.

    I would just love to see either classic episodes aired like they used to on Noggin or start releasing season sets on DVD (or atleast highlights from each season). I don't think they need to replace the new current show in any way. We still need the fresh stuff to keep with the times.

    Just what is it exactly that you are going for?
  3. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    I good description of what I am getting at would be basically what Noggin put out, but in digitally remastered form, and aired on public telivision. I wouldn't be asking them to change their format of the present SS or to even give up any air time of it; that would be to confusing for todays kids. All they would need to do is get an hour durring the basic "low time" of the day, when the kids usually aren't watching, and use it to play some of the old episodes. Not in any specific order or anything, and the episodes wouldn't even have to be "exactly" the way they were originally aired, (i.e.- exact same letter, number, and song inserts in the exact order they originally appeared in, ect.
    unless they had to use it to fit the format of the old street scenes). I know they have re-vamped some of the new formats by showing a re-run of the begining story and then made the letter and number of the day different in order to be able to give it a "new" episode number.
    As for the issue of using footage that they have used in video releases, that should not be a problem. Although they have claimed it a "legal" issue in the past, I don't see how they can use it to stand on when they show songs like "C is for cookie", "Put down the duckie", and "The Telephone Rock" in the new shows and in multiple videos as well.
    If they wanted to go a different rout and release the old episodes in season packages for sale, like they have started to do with The Muppet Show, I would be just as happy. Either way would finally make the older episodes available to the public. And believe me, there are ALOT of people out here, (myself included!), who would be more than willing to pay good money for early episodes that have now been "touched up". (The reason I emphasize touched up is because the episodes that they released to noggin had not been worked on at all. It has been stated in past articles written on the subject that SW was just starting to get going on the digital enhansement of these episodes when Noggin agreed to start the "Unpaved" program, and in turn, had to give up a good portion of these episodes that were in line for restoration at the time.) I know they have also said that releasing episodes would possibly limit their legal right to use certain sketches in current episodes, but again, I don't think this is actually true due to the same reason I stated earlier. Does this help make more sense?
  4. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, that does help. Thank you. I would love for them to bring back classic SS reruns (like Unpaved) only on a more accessable station. I can't get this new Sprout channel so that doesn't work for me. It would be even better if they could release season sets. They could be full episodes, or just the highlights and street stories (considering they reuse certain scenes mulitiple times in a season). I am sure it would earn a lot of money that SW could use to make even more Sesame greatness now! That would be the best way since they would be getting money from it to put back into the projects.
  5. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    Heres another possibility......

    My husband came up with another idea that could possibly save them more $. Have you ever watched "The Tonight Show" and noticed how, sometimes as often as once a month, Jay Leno will simply up and take a week long vacation and simply show re-runs for an entire week? What if SW did the same thing, say once a month, and for a week or so simply ran re-runs of old SS (using a different name to avoid confusion. Say like "Sesame Memories" for example?) instead of the re-runs of the present day programs. Or, if they didn't want it to last that long, mabey they could swing a deal with PBS and do an all-day SS marathon of older shows? I know they have done things like this with shows like "Dragon Tails" and "Mya and Miguell" in the past.:excited:Why not SS???????
  6. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    they can just show the older episodes once in a while. and if kids get confused, so what. I mean it's not tramatic and at least they wouldn't be doing it every day and the parents can try to explain to them the best way they can think of and if they don't understand certain things, than they can tell them, you'll understand when you're a little older. ijt may even be nice for them to learn what SS was like years ago especially if their parents watched these older shows.
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Maybe PBS could air reruns during a late night time slot. I don't know if PBS normally runs 24 hours a day or, if not, when PBS goes off the air, but maybe at an 11 p.m. or midnight showing of really old episodes. Maybe there could be a cycle of 100 episodes shown every three months and then PBS could change the episodes that get rerun. For example, during a premier night of these reruns, The first episode could be shown, and after every hundred episodes are rerun, this one could be repeated again, but after three months, once the 100 episodes of the cycle is done, the first episode wouldn't be shown for awhile. Maybe it could be shown after a few cycles or during the next year.

    The first rerun cycle could focus mostly on monumental episodes. Basically, introductions (most season premiers, first appearances of certain characters) and major changes (Snuffy no longer being imaginary, Hooper's Store getting rebuilt). Perhaps for each cycle (at least afterwards) there could be one multi-part storyline.
  8. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    The trouble with a "late night" slot is that nostalgic adults may not be able to share their memories with their own children. Sesame Street from the 70's and 80's is still good for children, even if adults like it too.
  9. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    The many avenues of PBS

    I don't know what its like in other states, but where I live in Utah, we receive 2 PBS - based channels: channel 7, which is the actual PBS representative, and also channel 11 (KBYU) which is a privately owned channel that bases the majority of its programs in the footsteps of PBS by showing the exact same programs most of the day. And on top of that, the company we (my husband and I) get our T.V. through (called USDTV) provides us with 2 different versions of PBS (7) - (one for kids shows, and one for more adult programs like Nature and National Geographic), and the same goes for channel 11. But, with all this company does offer, It still doesn't provide anything like Noggin or Sprout, which is maddening! It does show me, however, that PBS (or actually the programs it broadcasts, like SS) has many different avenues that they could use to broadcast some old SS re-runs. It seems to me that the people we are really going to have to convince here are the people of Sesame Workshop who are now the sole owners of all of these digitally enhansed episodes. I write them about this subject on a regular basis, but, other than a one time generic response, I have got no feed back what so ever on this. That is why I have hoped to get some advise from people like Phil Chapman or Fozzie or mabey some members that have some connections to find out what we need to do to start getting our requests noticed.
  10. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    I know they have sprout out and everything, but maybe they could do for childrens shows what they did for sitcoms. They could have a like T.V. land sort of channel for nostalgic educational programming. the only problem with T.V. Land is they don't show what they used to, and I would be concerned for the same fate of that channel.
  11. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's the matter of SW getting the shows out there, because shows on PBS (or anywhere for that matter) exist because of sponsorships (the advertising).

    At the end of SS you see the naming of sponsors who made that show possible (Carnegie Grants, viewers like you...) and that is where the question would be.

    I could see them doing Season Sets onto DVD, or even offering those programs from an earlier time to PBS stations. It could even be something they could run during the evening sitcom hours and probably win some more viewership toward PBS from other networks.

    But, again, as it is with retail, it is in what stations want what shows, not a matter of SW putting the show out or not. When the call is made and it's wanted, I'm sure SW would love to let it be seen. They have before.

    Keep in mind, too, that this is purely editorial--nobody on the MC staff have any contacts with any of the production companies of the franchises we love, and we do not represent them.
  12. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    Thanks for straitening that out, Fozzie

    Thanks, Fozzie, for your very valued response. So let me make sure of something here: your saying that it's actually the sponsors who determine what gets aired and what doesn't? Very interesting! Up till now I have always been under the impression that, although it is, indeed, the sponsors that hold the fate of a show like SS in their hands, I have still always been led to believe that it was ultimately the company that produces or owns the copyright to the show that makes the final decision on weather it will be aired or not. (In fact, I have actually been told this by the people at PBS, which is what led me to the miss-guided conclusion I had come to before now. Thank you for the correction.) What you have said does help clear up some areas of concern that I have not completely understood before, due to lack of information.

    So, basically, if we could get someone to "sponsor" a show of SS re-runs, you think they would actually do it? If so, mabey we just need to find out what hoops to jump through, and in what order, and we might actually be able to get something going here! This is exciting!

    And please don't think I was trying to "label" the MC staff as having connections to SW. I totaly understand that this is purely editorial, and was simply asking for some input from people, like you, who obviously know a bit more about the basic way things are run than I do, and your insight is greatly apreciated. What I was refering to when I said "connections to SW" was not in any way refering to the forum, itself, but rather to any of its general members who may have any insight as to how SW "thinks" and sees things. Thanks again for your input.
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Well, I want to retract and rephrase something:

    SW owns and holds the SS programs.

    For a network to show the program, they will need sponsors/advertisers (that's why there's commercials). That pays for the rights to show it, delivery, blah blah blah...

    If a PBS station were interested in the show, and SW was willing to distribute it, and there was funds for that show, then it could possibly happen.

    But, there has to be support from all angles (network, audience, sponsors, license holder). If not, then it won't.
  14. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    Now, see, that's where my concern has been all along. With all the requests that SW has received (from alot more people than just me) to concider being willing to show older shows, I don't know of a single time that they have come back with any other answer other than their generic one. Before people are going to be willing to sponsor a show of this nature, SW has got to give their word that they are willing to release the shows in the first place. And with the kind of feedback that they have been giving this subject so far, which has mostly been none at all, I tend to get the feeling that this is not a subject they want to give any kind of answer to, (other than providing excuses that state they legally can't for various reasons that, in the long run, have no proof to back their claim.) If they are not willing to release these repaired episodes to the public again, than I wish they would simply come forth and say so, rather than keeping peoples hopes up by saying things like "prepare to be surprised!" at the start of a new season. Does that make sense?
  15. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it makes sense to me.

    I don't know. I think you might be better equipped to supply SW a list of names and interest possibly if you use one of those online petition things that you can send them a link to? Just a thought.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Do us hardcore fans really care about whether the shows current target audience sees these old shows or not as long as we can see them? Besides, if it is on late at night, we get a better chance of them being completely uncut, with no censorship. I am not sure what PBS would censor from older episodes if shown during a time slot that kids watch (would PBS edit 10 Indians from Let;s Sing a Song of ten? the "you sissy" line from Everyone Likes Ice Cream? Don Music's head banging? Rosevelt Franklin or Lefty The Salesman?)

    Maybe if it is too much to ask for late-night reruns, maybe PBS could show reruns in prime time. As I mentioned earlier, there could be a limited number of episodes rerun for a certain amount of time, then PBS could replace these episodes with other episodes in a rerun cycle every few months.

    Sesame Workshop recently confirmed in an E-mail to somebody here that they are considering releasing some classic Sesame Street DVD releases, though it wasn;t clear on if they would be boxed sets, season sets (most likely not), DVDs of just classic segments without any linking footage, releases of episode plots but not inserts, or something else. I would be a little dissapointed if Sesame Workshop was just referring to new DVDs similar to all previous Sesame Street videos/ DVDs, with new linking footage and inserts, since those have already been made and wouldn't be very different from older releases.

    There is a show on PBS called The Red Green Show, and there have been a few times that I watched it and after the show PBS showed some kinds of bumpers called Red Green Shorts, which is basically a small number of segments from past episodes. Maybe PBS could do soemthing like this. Maybe show three segments in a row, maybe in prime time and show some really dated stuff (or they could show the really dated segments really late at night).
  17. anythingmuppet

    anythingmuppet New Member

    I am either way. I would actually much prefer they put the oldies on DVD by Season if litigimate ( but music licensing puts a kink in the works) or play the old ones on all PBS's. In fact, if they put the DVDs out and while they're making a second DVD, put on the old ones at the same time. That'd be excellant! While you'd wait for the next DVD, you can enjoy some of the 70's and 80's shows and have them air at a family-friendly time.
  18. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    I've concidered this

    I have considered doing this, but not to long ago another member here tried to do the same thing, and from what I remember, hardly anyone responded. Thats why I've been hesitant to just try to get a petition going and have been trying to find other possible aproaches to address this issue. But, if it takes starting a petition in order to to be able to honestly say I have tried everything, I'll do it. Is there anyone out there who knows anything about petitions?:confused:
  19. Rosewood

    Rosewood New Member

    A petition for early SS episodes - please sign

    While surfing the web for info on early SS episodes, I found this petition aimed at SW already in the works. It is desperately in need of signatures, and any help would greatly be appreciated. If we really want to get our early ss episodes available on DVD, we need to prove to SW that we mean business!
    To sign, please go to the following websight: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/oscar/petition.html
  20. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I'll sign it, but (and I know this isn't your fault, Rose) there are some spelling errors in the opening statement of the petition that need to be fixed if we expect to be taken seriously, considering this is meant to be a professional letter and all. Any way to fix that? It just looks really bad.

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