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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Muppet Master, May 20, 2014.

  1. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Ya, but the Play-Along Videos wasn't that big. They just sat on the shelves in stores. Personally, I never really liked those, because those videos treated the muppets SS-style by making a cheesy clip show out of someone relieving memories or something like that. They really should have just released like 2 full episodes on each tape. Plus, the Play-Along Videos focused more on the clips than the hosts, and the clips did have tons of Kermit in them. As for the Piggy specials, she's the second most prominent muppet and has just as big a following (if not bigger) as Kermit, with that said, I still don't think a "Piggy" movie would work very well. Anyways, it seems that out of all the muppets, Rizzo wouldn't be the one Disney would be scrambling to make a movie for. He's not exactly one of the most well-known muppets, and it's really quite odd how his roles change so crazily through the course of the muppet movies. He goes from background character to minor cameo character to supporting character to one of the main character to even more main of a character to even more main of a character then he gets degraded to minor secondary charcter to small-ish secondary character to BACKGROUND character, and finally to minor cameo character. If anyone, Disney would make a DTV of Walter, Piggy, or Fozzie.
  2. vettech28

    vettech28 Well-Known Member

    Here's what I think about as a Muppet fan:
    • When will Disney finally release seasons 4 and 5 on DVD?
    • Will Fraggle Rock return to the Hub?
    • If all the Muppets from the Muppet Show, Sesame Street, Fraggle Rock and other Muppet productions past and present sang "Life's a Happy Song" together, what would it look like?
    • Will more Sesame Street episodes be available on Netflix?
    • When will the Fraggle Rock movie be released?
    • Will both seasons of "The Wubbulous World of Dr. Seuss" be released on DVD? (Forgive me if I have been...well, obsessing about this show lately)
  3. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I can see by your avatar ;). Anyways, I doubt it, while season 1 was a pretty neat show, season 2 stops it dead in its tracks as a show for 4-year olds, and I've never seen a kids show get a season set (until I went to Target on Friday and saw that Curious George had a season 7 box-set :crazy:. Even so, we'll still have those 3-episode complications DVDs around. :)
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think you're mixing up the Play-Along Videos with the Playhouse Video compilations. Playhouse Video put out the compilations, such as The Muppet Revue and The Kermit and Piggy Story, while the Play-Along Videos were completely new footage (well, the Mother Goose Stories one was a release of three episodes with some linking footage, but that video release came three years before it was broadcast as a series) with the Muppets teaching kids fun activities. I'd say the Play-Along Videos were more like Sesame Street than the compilations, since they were educational.

    Did they really just sit on store shelves? In Jim Henson: The Biography it says that Muppet video releases did sell well, with the Play-Along Video series being the only one actually specifically mentioned (no mention of the compilations or Muppet Babies Video Storybook series). Judging by the fact that there were three versions of the promo at the end of the compilations (with the main difference being the number of videos advertised) plus the fact that there were a few different taping dates for them (Jim Henson's Red Book notes a few taping dates for three videos at a time), it seems there were a few released at a time. If they didn't sell that well, would they have made/released more?

    I wonder if they did compilations as opposed to full episodes to avoid potentially having to cut any episodes because of music rights.
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  5. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Yes, I did mix those two up, whoops. Anyways, those were probably even worse. That was the beginning of the period where the muppets were being marketed for kids, and I don't see the point! The muppets were a prime-time variety, but just because they looked cute and cuddly they turned them educational and childish? That's what SS is for, and it does a fine job. I thought Jim Henson would hate the muppets being called cute and cuddly, why would he make those? It almost feels like a kind of racism, how the muppets are stamped as kiddy entertainment just because they look cute and cuddly.
  6. AKaun6899

    AKaun6899 Active Member

    As a Muppet fan, here are my Muppet/Henson-based thoughts!
    • If I make a DVD Collection video on YouTube, will people judge me for owning FTB on DVD?
    • Will the extended scenes on MMW's Blu-ray include the entire Interrogation Song?
    • Should I get the season sets (TMS 1-3, FR entirety)?
    • Why is the DVD in the MFS Blu-ray still in fullscreen? :boo:
    • Why were the Pepe Profiles for Fozzie and Piggy not included on the MTI/GMC Blu-ray? Including them makes sense for consistency, since Gonzo's and Kermit's were included on the MCC and TMM Blu-rays...plus I've never seen the Fozzie one...
    • ...AND...
    • What color are their hands now? :oops:
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2014
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  7. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    1. No, why would they?
    2. Yes, I'm pretty sure it does.
    5. Wait, I think the Pepe Profiles was on the Blu-Ray.
    6. That one will remain a mystery. :)
  8. AKaun6899

    AKaun6899 Active Member

    1. Going into High School...
    2. Hooray!
    3. Alright!
    4. That makes sense...
    5. The ones for Gonzo and Kermit were on the MCC and TMM Blu-rays, but the ones for Fozzie and Piggy were not included on the MTI/GMC Blu-ray. Strange, since, like I said, including them would make for consistency, and give GMC something more than Frog-e-oke videos. And I never saw the Fozzie one...:o
    6. XD :D
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2014
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  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    So the ending credits for The Muppet Show were a little different between the US and UK broadcast, with the UK broadcasts having the credits closer to the side of the screen as opposed to the center, and more importantly the guest stars name was in the end credits in the UK version. When it comes to reruns and video releases, about half of the first season episodes have the UK credits, with the guest stars name, and only a handful of post-season one episodes are presented with the UK credits. And yet it seems like most of the first season guest stars whose names seem hard to spell or pronounce* (Charles Aznavour, Twiggy, Mummenshaz, maybe Peter Ustinov) are presented with the US credits.

    In fact, it's weird that the first season DVD set seems to only have the UK credits on episodes that also have those credits in reruns. The DVD releases remastered the original master tapes (with the original opening, no less), so it's not like they were using the same copies that were being shown in reruns and the Time-Life releases. In that case, shouldn't they have either all been the versions with the UK credits, all versions with US credits, or a different mix of the US and UK credits than what was in reruns?

    *I first saw the Twiggy and Mummenshaz episodes a few years before I got the internet, had trouble figuring out how the names were being said, let alone spelled, and was annoyed when I watched the end credits and saw that it was the version that didn't spell the guest stars names.

    I assume that the reason the Elton John episode is on DVD with the UK credits (while the reruns and Time-Life DVD have the US credits) is due to it including English Country Garden (the Muppet Central review of the season two DVD speculates that it had that extra skit because they found a longer master tape, which in that case makes me wish they'd end up including versions of episodes with deleted sketches).

    And both DVD releases of the Harry Belafonte episode have the UK credits... Another thing that makes these versions of the episodes different from the US versions is that they don't fade to black after the opening or closing numbers. With "Turn the World Around" continuing into the credits, it looks better for it to not fade to black before Kermit ends the show, though I would be interested in seeing that version. I'd also be interested in seeing the "UK version" of the Spike Milligan episode, to see how the transition from closing number to Kermit ending the show looked. Ditto with any episode where the "goodnights" took place on the same set as the closing number (as opposed to in front of the red curtains).
  10. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    All I'm thinking is what are you gonna do next Disney what are you gonna do next?
  11. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I doubt we will see the muppets do much until a new web series, TV show, or a movie comes out.
  12. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Oh I doubt they'll be doing anymore projects this year I am hoping they'll at least maybe make some guest appearances around the holidays. Hopefully they'll have something planned next year. I think I would be more happy seeing them on tv again rather then another movie. But I feel I don't have to worry about another movie for a long time.

    So sad how the last film everyone talked about what a success it was. Even more with DVD promotions but not this time...
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2014
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Since The Muppets, Steve Whitmire has finally gotten to do the puppetry as well as the voice of Link Hogthrob... And in most of his big speaking scenes, he appears with Beaker, also performed by Steve. Which makes me wonder... Which character is Steve performing in these scenes?

    For the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" number, I'm willing to bet that Steve was performing Beaker while another was performing Link, since he'd been performing Beaker for so long, while Link was originated by Jim Henson, previously only voiced by Steve in a few video games (I don't doubt that he might have previously performed the character in non-speaking appearances, or in instances where he spoke but Jim could only perform the voice). Steve didn't have much experience with the character by then, while he's been performing Beaker since 1992, so whether it was him or another performer, they'd be imitating how Jim performed him regardless. And in Muppets Most Wanted, during the "Something So Right" number Link and Beaker get back-to-back lines, both in the same shot/take. I think there's also another scene where both are seen and heard, can't really remember which scene it is.

    And just recently, after watching Rock Music with the Muppets so many times on Daily Motion, I've noticed that Dr. Teeth is wearing a white tuxedo vest over his clothes and under his black vest. All this time I thought his 1980s outfit was a black leather vest, but now I wonder if that is actually a tuxedo, with the sleeves cut off, but worn over a striped shirt and white tuxedo vest.
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Back when Craig Shemin was interviewed for Tough Pigs this past March, he mentioned that he would tape reruns of The Muppet Show every day, and one day the Muppets appearance on Parkingsons was shown. I know that when some shows are rerun in syndication they'll include separate related specials and follow-up shows and such, but it's weird that a guest appearance was included in the syndicated rerun timeslot, unless Parkingsons was also owned by ITC (which would mean it'd later be dropped from the syndication package when Henson bought the rights).

    But also, Shemin said that The Jim Henson Company doesn't have a copy of that appearance in its archives, but since Shemin has a copy, they occasionally use his copy whenever they want to show clips from that appearance at screenings. Shouldn't they have just made a copy from that tape so that the Henson Company Archives would have a permanent copy (unless Shemin plans to leave his copy to Henson in his will)?

    And it also makes me curious as to what all The Jim Henson Company has copies of. Obviously everything the company has the distribution rights to (unless it was lost or destroyed), plus many commercials, guest appearances, and most likely productions the company produced but never owned the distribution rights to. And I know that the company still has all the master tapes for Muppet and Bear productions (as Disney doesn't archive acquired properties... Hopefully that doesn't mean Disney doesn't archive post-2004 Muppet projects). I'm guessing the company doesn't have much Sesame-related master tapes (they probably have copies of all the films Jim Henson did for the show).

    I wonder if it'd be easier for Henson to make a list of what Muppet appearances and such they don't have copies of in the archives.
  15. ceelos

    ceelos Active Member

    I was pondering if Animal and Janice are brother and sister. They both have orange skin; neither are anthropomorphic animals; both are musicians; and both have a special bond with Floyd. As if Floyd either is hanging out with his main sqeeze's brother. Or he has a thing with his best friends sister. You know how that goes :sing:

    Any thoughts
  16. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    Personally, I sometimes headcanon that Lips and Janice were the ones that were related, either as siblings or cousins. Mainly because their skin and hair colour match up.

    However, you do bring up some interesting points about Animal being possible siblings with Janice. That could make for a very intriguing origin fanfic.

    *mentally takes note*
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  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I doubt a brother and a sister would be in the same band, so ya I think that they are all just bandmates, no family relationships or anything, just bandmates with some romance between Janice and Floyd, and previously with Janice and Zoot, who knows what happened with them, so I doubt that the two are siblings.
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  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I always thought Animal and Floyd looked similar. Never thought Animal and Janice did.
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  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I often think about how Follow That Bird often gets overlooked in retrospectives/biographies on Jim Henson and Sesame Street. I feel like it (and Elmo in Grouchland) should be included and recognized more. But then it hit me: If it was a TV special or direct-to-video production as opposed to a movie, I probably wouldn't feel so strongly about this.

    I feel like movies are a lot more well-known than specials, though the two Sesame Street movies tend to be a slight bit obscure (or at least as well-known as the average SST special). But then Sesame Street specials tend to get brought up more than FTB. Caroll Spinney's autobiography has an entire chapter on the making of Big Bird in China but only two brief mentions of Follow That Bird, Street Gang has a lot of info on Christmas Eve on Sesame Street (and even some on A Special Sesame Street Chrsitmas), which in recent years has gotten a lot of discussion in interviews with the cast. Imagination Illustration and Jim Henson: The Biography also have info on a few specials but not this movie (Brian Jay Jones himself explained why the book doesn't include any FTB info in the thread about Jim Henson: The Biography). Heck, Brian Jay Jones said that Jim Henson didn't note anything about FTB in his red book at all (but did note things like a TV broadcast of Big Bird in China). Sesame Street: A Celebration - 40 Years of Life on the Street is perhaps the best at including info on FTB (as well as the many specials).

    For many franchises that have included TV series, specials, and movies, it seems like the specials are often most obscure while the shows and movies are better known. With the Muppets, I feel like The Muppet Show, Muppet Babies, and the movies (even Muppets from Space, to a certain extent) are better known than the average Muppet special. But with Sesame Street, Follow That Bird's (and Elmo in Grouchland's) popularity is perhaps on par with the best-known Sesame Street specials. But then again, I feel like the average Peanuts special is a lot more well-known than the average Peanuts movie or The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show. And unfortunately, of course, if an animated show got a movie (especially a live-action one made many years after the initial popularity died), the movie is probably just as well-known because of how infamous it is.
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  20. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    One thing I have been thinking is that why Disney is not releasing anymore muppet videos. Besides Disney Drive-On, which as good as it was, it was just a way for Disney to market their other productions. I do not see how hard it would be to have a green screen, ask the performers to come, and take out the muppets and let them be muppets like they used to do. Why can we not see a bunch of newsman shorts or Sam the Eagle complaining about some matter. How about Fozzie telling jokes, and Gonzo doing some stunts, Miss Piggy doing Pigs in Space again, Rowlf playing some songs on the piano, or the Electric Mayhem doing covers of some songs or better yet performing original songs. How much could that really cost, it does not seem like money is the problem here though.
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