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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Muppet Master, May 20, 2014.

  1. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    What would happen to the electric mayhem if dr. teeth broke his hands and was never able to play the piano again?
     
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In Muppets Most Wanted, when Kermit lets Dominic talk him into doing a theater that's so expensive that the tour would end if the first show didn't sell out, he tells them that they have to do what they know best because of it. But even if they did play to their strengths, it's just their first show, which might not be a good indicator of whether they sell out. It seems like Kermit was depending on a good review/good word-of-mouth for the first tour, and maybe he meant that they could barely afford to do the first show and if it goes wrong they won;t be able to do more, but it still seems odd that Kermit would realistically expect them to sell out by playing to their strengths before the public has an idea of what's being done for this tour.

    Then again, there's similar odd logic with the Muppets telethon in The Muppets, where they just happen to have the telethon during the last few hours before their payment is due and that it ends the very moment the telethon ends. But most people are pledging money from their homes, and there's no real way the Muppets can get the money right away (or maybe there is a way similar to traveling by map, but we're never shown if this is the case).
     
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    In thinking about how Jim Henson's Creature Shop still has all pre-2004 Muppets in storage (since Disney doesn't archive acquired properties), combined with the fact that existing pre-2004 puppets obviously still get used in new Muppet productions from time to time, I must wonder where they get stored after being used again. Does Disney send them back to the New York (or LA) Creature Shop? Do they get sent to the Puppet Heap building along with other PH-built Muppet puppets?
     
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Has anybody seen any promos for The Muppets Go Hollywood, The Muppets Go to the Movies, The Fantastic Miss Piggy Show, Rocky Mountain Holiday, The Muppets: A Celebration of 30 Years, Sesame Street: 20 and Still Counting, or The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson? I'd be interested in seeing promos for those specials. I'd also be interested in seeing promos for the original broadcasts of The Muppets' Valentine Show and Sex and Violence (I've seen promos for the Nickelodeon broadcasts of the Valentine show), but I don't expect to see those online anytime soon.
     
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Last night, I found a promo for a broadcast of The Frog Prince as part of Nickelodeon's Sunday Night Muppets. In the promo, it said that Muppet specials would be broadcast every Sunday that month. Now I remember if being two months, the months of November and December 1992 (and I recall The Frog Prince being the first one shown), so that makes me wonder if the showings were so successful that they extended it by a month, or if they just decided to extend it by another month so they could show the Christmas specials, or if maybe the plan always was to show Muppet specials every Sunday for two months and the announcer made a mistake.

    And if Sunday Night Muppets was so successful that they added a month of Sunday Night Muppets, then it's a shame they didn't continue past those months. There's plenty of specials they could have shown. Of course I wonder if Nickelodeon got the broadcast rights to all the specials that ended up on Muppet Matinee or if they only had the rights to a handful of specials and gained more over the course of a few months. Between Sunday Night Muppets and Muppet Matinee, Muppet specials were occasionally broadcast on Special Delivery, but every time I saw Muppet specials there it was the specials shown on Sunday Night Muppets (but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if I looked in the paper, saw Hey Cinderella, Monster Maker, Living with Dinosaurs, Tale of the Bunny Picnic, or Lighthouse Island without thinking they might be Muppet specials). And then on Memorial Day 1993 there was an 8-hour Muppet marathon, with Hey Cinderella being the only Muppet special featured to not be part of Sunday Night Muppets (Muppet Babies episodes filled every other hour). It's sort of a shame they didn't use the opportunity to show, say, The Muppets: A Celebration of 30 Years or The Fantastic Miss Piggy Show.
     
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It seems like the majority of the copies of Ed Sullivan Show appearances that The Jim Henson Company Archives has are in black and white (or at least I assume that whenever a Muppet clip from that show is used in a Henson retrospective or screening the copy comes from the Henson Company Archives as opposed to a different copy). Which gets me wondering: Is the Henson Company Archives' copy of "Come Together" in black and white?

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was, considering that even the Muppet appearances from the early 1970s, when black and white had pretty much ended on television, are in black and white when they appear in a Henson retrospective. When something features clips from The Glutton, "What Kind of Fool Am I?", and the String Quartet, the clips are likely going to be shown in black and white, even though all of the Muppet appearances on the Sullivan Show were originally broadcast in color (and it seems the company that owns the show has the original color versions).
     
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well I just learned in another thread that all of the Ed Sullivan appearances included at The Paley Center for Media are in color and part of a compilation donated by Henson (and that only two appearances are not available there, I wonder if Henson has those missing segments in its archives). So I guess Henson does have color copies. Which makes me wonder where those black and white copies come from. Does Henson have copies in both color and black and white? Or are the black and white copies actually supplied by the company that owns the show (though they clearly had color copies for Muppets Magic)?
     
  8. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    The better question is, will Kermit and Piggy ever stay married? I can probably say maybe for Gonzo and Camilla, and a big fat no for Floyd and Janice, because Disney doesn't like the Electric Mayhem (except for Animal, but you gotta admit that Animal is pretty darn lovable)
     
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Based on what...?
     
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  10. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Maybe they'd get Rowlf to substitute for him. They both play the piano (Piano, keyboard, same thing) and have similar voices, though Rowlf's is more calm.

    Speaking of Rowlf, something that I've been thinking about is the fact that Rowlf hasn't been used that much lately. I know he's one of the main characters, but does he really play a part in the Muppets any more, other than cracking jokes? He's one of my favorite characters and I'd love for him to play a bigger part in another Muppet production.
     
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Been thinking about how it would be great if one of the big Muppet fan sites interviewed David Borgelnict, author of Sesame Street Unpaved, back when that book was published. At the time, we didn't have Tough Pigs (and I think it took awhile before Tough Pigs started interviewing people involved with the Muppets, were there any such interviews before Ryan and Joe took over?), The MuppetCast, or The Muppet Mindset, and now it's common for those websites to interview people from the company, as well as people involved with newer merchandise or events involving the Muppets.

    At the time, Muppet Central was doing interviews, though normally they were just people who had heavily worked for the Muppets, not people who worked on Muppet merchandise (the exception being Ken Lilly, whose interviews appear in the MC reviews for Palisades series 4-8). Pretty much all interviews were for the sake of interviewing the people, as opposed to any special occasion to promote something.

    But today, if there's an impressive non-fiction Muppet book out, we're likely to see an interview on at least one of the big Muppet fan sites (and we'll probably see interviews on both Tough pigs and The Muppet Mindset). Wouldn't it have been great to have had an interview when Sesame Street Unpaved was published? The author could have been asked about whether certain characters who don't get their own sections were included, if there were plans for bigger character sections in the "classic moments" chapter that didn't make it, what moments were considered to be represented, if he was aware of the upcoming changes for season 30 that were not mentioned, if he was aware the wrong character was pictured for Professor Hastings, if he was aware that existing Don Music material was still being shown at the time of the books development...

    It would also be great if one of these sites could get an interview with Christopher Finch, since he wrote three different books on the works of Jim Henson.
     
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    For years, I had been wondering about the production order for The Jim Henson Hour. In 2013, I found a number of sources (that Henson-Disney deal book listing that episode under the title "First Show", plus a Red Book article and Jim Henson: The Biography, plus the fact that one fan was told this by, I think, Mike Dixon) that revealed that the Bobby McFerrin episode was the pilot (and then in 2014 I saw an official production order list, which surprisingly listed Bobby McFerrin as the fifth episode).

    But recently I obtained a copy of Jim Henson: The Works. Previously I had occasionally checked it out from the library (and I think the last time I checked it out of the library was in 2010), but I was looking in the book, and it actually does say that the Bobby McFerrin episode was the pilot. How did I miss that? Did anybody else notice that in the book (I don't think it was noted on the wiki until 2013)? Did anyone notice and mistakenly think it was a good?
     
  13. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about the fact that the beginning of "Lon Lon Ranch" from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time sounds like the beginning of "Rainbow Connection"…maybe Koji Kondo had heard the song before and was inspired by it? The Muppet Movie came out in 1979, and Ocarina of Time came out almost 20 years later in 1998…here's the song in question:

    Most people on here probably know what "Rainbow Connection" sounds like, so I'm not gonna bother to link it.
     
  14. Luke kun

    Luke kun Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of the track I have on my Strawberry Shortcake Live album called "Flying", that sounds like Rainbow Connection at the beginning too.
     
  15. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    Why does Dr Teeth's cover of "Zat You, Santa Claus?" give me really unsettling images of horror films? Who wrote that thing anyway?
     
  16. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Here, have a happy image:
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    Whenever you're sad or scared, imagine Fluttershy or something else happy.
     
  17. FraggleLover130

    FraggleLover130 Active Member

    NEW MUPPET SHOW ABC
     
  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    A while ago, I saw on Muppet Wiki that there's no evidence of The Jim Henson Hour airing in England, though some pages say that Living with Dinosaurs (with JHH intros) and Food/The Three Ravens aired there, and that part of the confusion comes from the fact that Living with Dinosaurs, along with Monster Maker, did air in England around that time, but without the shows opening and without Jim Henson's hosting segments.

    This gets me wondering, if that's true, then how did fans get copies of Food and the intros to Living with Dinosaurs?

    I also wonder about the MuppeTelevision titles. The only official source for them comes in that Disney-Henson 2004 deal document. Outside of that, it seems like Henson never refers to them by the actual titles. I know that the Paley Center for Media lists all episodes as, for example, "MuppeTelevision/The Heartless Giant", "MuppeTelevision/Song of the Cloud Forrest", and so on (but that could just be the Paley Center doing that.... Paley Center also gives "titles" to Sesame Street episodes). When somebody at Muppet Wiki got a list of the official production order from Craig Shemin, the MuppeTelevison episodes were listed by guest star, with "Food" listed as "No Guest Star", but then again, the old Henson.com episode guide for Muppets Tonight didn't list any of the titled episodes by their titles. I wonder if TV guide listed the first half hours by their official titles (I've seen a print ad for the fifth episode, which only promoted Miss Piggy's Hollywood). I believe that the titles listed in that document are the official ones, but I also find it odd that they seem to avoid using the titles.
     
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Recently, I was watching Rowlf and Baskerville's performance of "Dog Eat Dog", and it seems like the laugh track goes off when nothing funny is said or done. Seems like there's laughter whenever Baskerville sings. Is it supposed to be funny that it's a dog singing?
     
  20. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    You know what I always wondered about what if Muppet series 10 & Sesame series 1 were released?
     


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