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What We'd Like to See for Old School Vol. 4

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by D'Snowth, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm really anxious and hoping that we will, indeed, get a volume 4 of Old School, as this would respectively cover 1984-1989 (Seasons 16-20), years that I remember fondly from my earliest days, since leftovers of this time period were what I was introduced to in the form of tapes and such, so that particular era (as well as the following 89-94, since I first saw those first hand growing up) is particularly special to me.

    So, any way, if we do get Vol. 4, what would you like to see? I'm glad Snuffy finally being revealed to the adults is a Season Premiere, no doubt we would get to see that (especially since the only version that was previously available on YouTube was taken down because of the Noggin logo)... HOWEVER, there's some thing really pivotal about this period of the show, that I think deserves a spotlight on Vol. 4, much like the inclusion of Mr. Hooper's death on Vol. 3: Maria and Luis's wedding. Them leaving for their honeymoon is the Season 20 premiere, no doubt we'd get that, but the actual wedding concluded Season 19, though I really feel that should be included as a bonus, again, similar to Vol. 3 including Mr. Hooper's death, which was part of that respective period, and was a fitting bonus.
     
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    "Bert's Blanket".
     
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  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Street scenes from the episode where the adults see Snuffy can be viewed at sesamestreet.org.

    I was going to wait until we got official confirmation of a volume 4 to make a wishlist (an official announcement would probably come around September if we get one in 2013), but since there is this thread I'll post what I'd like to seie in included:

    Disc 1:
    Season 16 classic cuts:
    • Imagine That
    • Rappin' Alphabet
    • Snuffy Jumps
    • Danger's No Stranger
    • Elmo Rhymes Boys
    Season 17 classic cuts:
    • Happy and Sad (with Kermit and Elmo)
    • Miami Mice
    • A New Way to Walk
    • Dr. Noble Price: Cupcake
    • Bert & Ernie: Shopping List
    Season 18 classic cuts:
    • Kermit's Mystery Box
    • Twiddlebugs: Smoke Detector
    • Alone in the Swamp with You
    • Ookyook Song
    • Peligro
    Disc 2:
    Season 19 classic cuts:
    • Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo
    • Gordon Preaches Rain
    • The American Revolution
    • Biff and Sully: Alphabet
    • The Letter of the Day Pageant
    Season 20 classic cuts:
    • Get Along
    • Bellhop #8
    • Monsterpiece Theater: The Taming of the Shoe
    • Fay Ray: Animal Costumes
    • The Word is No!

      • Additional Features:
        • Luis and Maria Get Married street scenes
        • Gordon and Susan Adopt Miles street scenes
        • Gina Looks for Mr. Robinson street scenes
        • animated storybook: Ernie's Neighborhood
        • commentary by Martin Robinson and Caroll Spinney on episode 2096

        I'd also like to see an "evolution of Elmo" feature, maybe an interview with Kevin Clash (With the recent controversy which shouldn't be mentioned in this thread I wonder if Sesame Workshop would have Kevin do an interview). There was also something put out for the 20th anniversary called The Sesame Street Experiment. It'd be great to see that included (part of it was uploaded to YouTube a long time ago).

        The listing of bonus segments was based on how it was done on volume 3 (five per season), though I'd really like to include an extra segment or two for the disc 2 seasons (since there wouldn't be as many episodes). Of course, since Muppet Wiki doesn't have any information on the season 16 premiere, I very well could have listed some season 16 segments that do appear in the premiere (ditto with any segments from season 16 that I might have incorrectly listed as being from a later season).
     
  4. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    I would love to see The Count's appearance on a Miami Mice sketch. I haven't seen an English copy of that particular sketch in my whole entire life yet. :sigh:
     
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    For years I've really wanted to see The Count's appearance on Miami Mice, since it's the rarest-known Miami Mice segment, but at this point I'll settle for any Miami Mice segment, regardless of whether it's one that can be viewed on YouTube (and I feel like the ones with Ernie and Kermit are much better known) or a rarer one (I wonder if there are any Miami Mice segments we don't know about). Especially since we didn't get any on 40 Years of Sunny Days or Best of Sesame Street Spoofs!

    I wonder if any Teeny Little Super Guy segments were made after season 15. If there were then I'd like to see any post-season 15 segment. It's interesting, the timeline in The Street We Live On shows the Teeny Little Super Guy theme under season 14, and the baseball segment was listed as a season 14 segment in Old School Volume 3, while 40 Years of Sunny Days has the school segment listed as from season 15, which would mean those segments were not all made (or at least not all broadcast) during the same season, but a talk page on Muppet Wiki points out a season 15 press release which refers to it as a new recurring segment (of course there is a season 12 press release which refers to several characters as new, including some who had existed in the previous season).
     
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  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Here's what I want to see for the next Old School set.

    clear the rights to the freaking theme song before you do anything else! Saying anything about the Old School 3 set is looking a gift horse in the mouth, sure... but it makes NO sense whatsoever that they can't clear their own theme song.
     
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well... it DEPENDS...

    There are some legal issues surrounding theme songs... a few older shows, like The Beverly Hillbillies, Andy Griffith, Bonanza, etc. ended up having a number of episodes available in public domain due to legal errors, however, their theme songs are still copyrighted, so some off-brand/underground DVD releases of those public domain episodes may or may not actually contain the original theme songs, and in some cases, have song replacements.

    Apparently, that's why ALL of the music on Rocky and Bullwinkle DVDs had to be replaced, because they couldn't clear the rights of the music present in the original prints, that are still heard on television.
     
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Wait, is the show in the public domain? I thought the whole series was still under copyright.

    Also, while some shows may have episodes in the public domain, I'm pretty sure that there aren't any episodes or inserts of Sesame Street in the public domain (if there are, then I wish somebody could obtain a copy... though most of the inserts would still be copyrighted).
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It is.

    I meant to say that often times, the music of a show is also copyrighted, but some times, under a separate copyright, which is the reason behind some shows on DVD having music and song replacements, due to legal issues with the music and songs being owned under a different copyright holder; apparently, that was the issue behind ALL of the music for Rocky and Bullwinkle being replaced on DVD. Apparently, in this case, for whatever reason, Warner Bros. some how wasn't able to clear the rights to use SST's own theme song on this release, which is why the episodes are missing their respective main titles and funky chimes closing, there are no credit crawls as bonus features, and apparently episodes that utilized instrumental rearrangments of the theme had music replacements.
     
  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah, I'd also love for this bit to be on the next volume:

     
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I know about how stupid music rights are... but, unlike all the other cases, Sesame Street has been on 40+years continuously, and they're still using the same theme song. Why the theme song of a current show can't be cleared when the show supposedly owns the song yet none of the other songs are blanked out.

    They need to secure the rights to the Sesame Street theme song before they release a single other Sesame Street release. I don't see why of all things that's the rights tangle.
     
  12. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    This is why copyright laws can often bite people in the butt. :rolleyes:
     
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    This week I've had a number of dreams regarding a fourth set.

    First, I dreamt that Sesame Workshop asked fans on facebook to let them know what clips they want on volume 4 (I just suggested "any or all of the Miami Mice segments"). Then, I dreamt that the set was out and actually had some episodes that weren't season premieres, including one which featured a lot of fireworks, Oscar protesting against them, and then Oscar and Bruno crash-landing as a result of the fireworks blasting them off... Causing Bruno to be scrunched to the point where only his head and feet were shown (and Oscar's can was squashed into his body). As well as having the rarely-seen "Surprise!" song with the cast (only it was different from how fans have described it, taking place in front of a white background and being a bit more like the "Big Hello 1-20" segment). As well as having the song with Bob and Simon Soundman from episode 1899, beginning with an alternate angle. And then last night I dreamt that the set had a bonus street story, titled "Shivers the Penguin", only Shivers appeared in one scene, without Big Bird and speaking full sentences (in contrast to the one Shivers clip online, where he only says "hello" over and over), the main plot being about Big Bird and Snuffy playing a game involving clues. And a soft drink company actually promoted the fact that the set had something with Shivers by releasing two-litters with his picture on them.

    Dreams can be weird. They can also get my hopes up.
     
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But it's just so weird, y'know? They managed to clear all these celebrity appearances and usage of outside copyrighted characters, but not their own song. It's not something I should mind as it doesn't affect the episodes, but the logic (or lack thereof) of the situation is kinda annoying.

    That said, what else I'd like to see for volume 4? One lousy Deena and Pearl bit. We're due for one of those falling out the Sesame Vault.
     
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  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    They were only on the show for season 12, not sure if they're segments were repeated after season 12 (or, if they were, how long they were repeated). I'm hoping that the season 16 premiere (which Muppet Wiki has no information on) just happens to include one of their routines. Or that maybe Noggin cut one of their segments from episode 2096 (then again, if that were the case, shame on Noggin!). Or maybe if anything gets cut they'll replace it with one of their routines.

    Then again, volume 3 had season two's "Henson Ball #3" (with the season six ending) listed as a season 15 segment (and volume 1 mistakenly listed season two's "Rubber Duckie" and "I've Got Two" as season one clips). Maybe they'll incorrectly include a Deena and Pearl segment as a season 16-20 segment (I prefer they be correct with the seasons, but if they mistakenly put any much-earlier segments under season 16-20 classic cuts, I'd want 'em to be rare segments).
     
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking of the possibillities of a volume 4, and after thinking about it and looking at the episode guides at Muppet Wiki, I actually feel less excited about a potential volume 4 than I did the existing ones (while I feel a little more excited about a set of the season 21-25 premieres, for a number of reasons).

    Don't get me wrong, I'll probably still buy a volume 4 on the day it comes out, but most of the known contents don't excite me as much. Sure, it will be great to finally know what's in the season 16 premiere (for the sake of the set I'm hoping it's like a "gold mine"* for fans and collectors, though it'll probably be less than the gold mine I'm hoping for) and to know what Noggin cut from episode 2096. I do want episode 2096 on DVD, and the Miles' birthday episode looks interesting, and it'll also be great to have Jazz #8 on DVD, but many of the best clips in the episodes have already been on video (especially in past Old School volumes). I'm not too excited about seeing the first part of Maria and Luis' honeymoon, or the trip to the zoo, though they might be better than I think (some of the "street stories" in volume 3 are a lot better than I had expected before seeing them).

    Of course there'll probably be some really great bonus features, and I'm sure I'll be happy with many of the bonus clips. Hopefully the bonus clips will include some clips that we haven't even heard of (it seems the late-1980s had less "holy grail" inserts that we are aware of), in addition to clips that should have been released on video years ago.

    Thinking about it, I think I'd like there to be a collectors set full of inserts from seasons 1-15 in the summer, and an Old School Volume 4 in october or november. I wonder how likely Sesame Workshop/Warner Home Video would release two sets for the adults.

    *In this case by "gold mine" I mean it'd have previously-unreleased Sesame Street News and Monsterpiece Theater clips (I don't think there are many unreleased MT clips from before 1984), maybe a Super-Grover or Waiter Grover segment, some clips from the first season (I'm hoping a non-2 Jazz Numbers and Baker film, and any Muppet clip from that year), and appearances by most if not all of the following characters: Biff, Sully, Bruno, Dr. Nobel Price, Don Music, Forgetful Jones, Sherlock Hemlock, pre-Kevin Clash Elmo, and maybe Deena and Pearl, Aristotle, and Leslie Mostly (those characters were discontinued by then, but I don't know if they continued to show their inserts). I know it's wishful thinking, and probably far-fetched for the episode to have included ALL of those things.
     
  17. tpirman

    tpirman New Member

    I know one thing I'd like to see on the Old School Sesame Street volume 4:
    Rush Hour by Joe Raposo - Watch/Listen to this sample:
    I have not seen this in years, but this audio sample is all there is for now.
    It's a rare song.
     
  18. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Active Member

    Any early Elmo footage. After seeing "Being Elmo" I'm more interested in knowing about Elmo's earlier Sesame Street scenes.
     
  19. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    The one episode I clearly remember seeing as a kid that I'm almost positive is from that time period that no one but me seems to remember- lol. (I'm sure a lot of us have that experience though with particular Sesame Street memories...):batty:
     
  20. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

    Does any of the Old School DVD's have the adults believing Big Bird over Snuffy being real?
     

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