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When did fans get tired of Pepe?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by minor muppetz, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Lately it seems a lot of fans have expressed a hatred, annoyance, or disliking of Pepe. But I wonder, when did the hate begin?

    When Muppets from Space came out and Pepe was first integrated among the main classic Muppet characters it seems everybody liked him. Everybody who reviewed MFS liked Pepe (even if they disliked the movie), and fans were heavily desiring Pepe merchandise (and while we have gotten some merchandise, the amount of Pepe merchandise seems to remain small).

    I don't recall anybody hating Pepe until around the time I joined the forum (in fact it seems the same way regarding Speedy Gonzales when I joined the Golden Age Cartoons forum). Some seem to have been worried he'd become the "Elmo" of the Muppets franchise (I think some were worried even at the time of MFS) but while he's been pushed to the top 7 it seems he's not quite as popular as Elmo, marketing-wise. In the past few years it seems Animal is the character put on most merchandise (I'm surprised Animal didn't have his own solo viral video, and I guess I'm surprised about the lack of Pepe viral videos).
  2. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Speaking only for myself, I got sick of him when watching MWoO. He was always making smartcracks, many of which popped me out of the story. ("I'm naked, okay!") It was like they were shoving his face into the camera 'cause it's wiseASCIIness that them Nielsens wanna see, yup, sure!

    He's fine in small doses, when he's just one of the crew, but I don't want him eclipsing the other Muppets with his shticks.
  3. Psammeadboi

    Psammeadboi Active Member

    I tend to think that Pepe ushered in the new era of Muppet humor - which was beyond the vaudeville, innocent, naive humor the Muppets are known for.

    I agre, he's good in small doses, but not as a tool to overshadow the original Muppet characters just because their original performers are gone.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Jeez. Speak for yourself. Pepe isn't just one of my favorite new characters, he's one of my favorite characters period.

    Let's not forget, we didn't have Rowlf, the entire Electric Mayhem, Scooter, and everyone else that used to have significant standing in the group recast or even written into bigger roles until recently. New characters ALWAYS come out of the need to fill voids that other characters that cannot be used have left. Look at Muppets Tonight... Frank Oz was frequently unavailable on top of that, so they had hit or miss new additions to the cast. Same thing happened with Sesame Street... they added all these new characters to fill voids left by the same puppeteers. But in both cases, only a handful of characters survived and are still relevant.

    I think we were pretty lucky coming out of MT... we got only the best characters in future roles. Johnny, Sal, Pepe, VanNeuter.... and even then, Brian's not with the Muppets anymore, so Pepe and Big Mean Carl seem to be the only ones really left. But that means we left behind stinker characters like Spamella Hamderson, Bill the Bubble Guy, Mr. Poodlepants... and other than that one appearance of Andy and Randy Pig in Cooking with Cat Cora, we haven't seen them (comic books don't count).
  5. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    And Bobo. Can't forget Bobo.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah... Bobo too. Seems like Bill needed a character or two, and Pepe (and Bobo) came out of that need to perform some characters. Now it seems the ban on Dr. Teeth and Rowlf is over, so maybe we'll see more of them than his own characters... I can't really tell.

    I could almost parallel this to David Rudman and how Baby Bear became a major character on Sesame Street... but it almost seems like you see less of him now that David's also Cookie Monster.
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It seems like they were slowly starting to recast many characters after Muppets Tonight ended, at the same time Pepe was satrting to become one of the main characters. And while we pretty much only got the best Muppets Tonight characters to return, Seymour didn't return (I also really like Bill, who hasn't been used since). Some of those "stinker" characters have been used since, though not in any really major roles (Mr. Poodlepants made a cameo in It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, Spamela made a cameo on From the Balcony).
  8. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I don't hate Pepe, but he's just not one of my favorites. He is pretty funny, but I thought Rowlf as Toto should have been obvious. I'm just a Rowlf fan though. I named a dog after him.
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  9. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Active Member

    In addition, Howard Tubman also appeared in IaVMMCM as the Muppet Theater's choreographer.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I love Pepe and always have since his debut. I've never gotten tired of Pepe even though he was over-exposed for a while. It seemed that mainly Bill and Steve were on-call for Muppeting so Pepe and Kermit became the most visible characters. Let's not fault the prawn or frog for rising to the occasion when needed. :):rolleyes:

    Most fans who don't like the prawn are likely purists who don't want any new/post-Jim character to rise to the level of first tear, but I think he's helped keep the Muppets fresh for a generation. He's been around for 15 years now. He's not a "new" Muppet anymore.

    :sympathy:I know when some fans got tired of him = "Muppets Wizard of Oz". That's when he allegedly usurped Rowlf's role as Toto. Barretta performs both characters and Pepe was chosen as the more popular star to handle that part. I can see both sides of the argument. Pepe appeals to younger people and his humor is more biting. I won't call it cynical, sleazy or unmuppety. In fact, after seeing Stuffed & Unstrung I'm convinced that Pepe's the bridge that brings a lot of the ever present off-screen Muppeteer antics into an onscreen character. That's his strength and some fans won't accept that sort of Muppet just as some don't like his or Clifford's obvious ethnicity. That has always bugged me because the Swedish Chef has an accent, but i suppose Caucasians are given a pass by some folk. :hungry:

    Anyway, those are my theories. Segel has done a wonderful job with all he's included in this new Muppets movie. However, I am a little disappointed in him reportedly not giving Pepe much more than a line or two. Maybe it wasn't personal seeing as Rizzo evidently suffers laryngitis throughout the new film. I'm just glad to have Scooter and Rowlf back. I'm sure Pepe will be around a lot more in the future. People do love the prawn. He no longer has to be the face of the Muppets anymore. He can perform at his leisure. That's what I support. Seeing him just as much as Fozzie, Gonzo, Rowlf and Scooter. ;)
  11. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    (Looking around cautiously in case the King Prawn is listening)
    Ru: Hi. My name is Ru, and I'm a muppet fan.
    Group: Hi Ru!
    Facilitator: Welcome, Ru. What would you like to share with us today?
    Ru: Um, well, um, I've been a muppet fan for a long time. (clears throat) Sorry--I'm a little nervous.
    Faciliator: It's okay. Every is a little nervous at first.
    Ru: (plunging on) Well, I, um, started out with Sesame Street when I was very little, but I quickly moved on to other stuff. More, um, grown up stuff--like The Muppet Show.
    Group: Yeah. I feel you. Yup--been there. For sure.
    Ru: And, you know, I've been doing pretty good for, gosh, over 20 years now.
    Group: That's great. Good job. Way to go.
    Ru: But, well, a few years back--um, about 15, I sortof fell off the wagon, so to speak. (The room is very quiet.) I, um, started watching Muppets Tonight. That's when I, um, (looks nervously over shoulder), when I became...a Pepe fan.
    Group: (gasps) Oh! Oh no! Bless you, honey. It's okay. We've all been there a some time.
    Ru: And, well, I guess I've accepted that part of me now. I know I can change some things about myself, but...but I just can't see myself not craving that little Prawn.
    Anonymous group member: You can fight it! You don't have to give in!
    Ru: No. No--it's okay. I want to. I...no. It's okay. I want to give in. I love Pepe--even though he's annoying and sortof saps the energy I want to use to love other muppets, I still can't imagine my life without him. I--that's, um, that's all I want to say.
    Facilitator: Thanks for sharing, Ru. I know that was hard. Anybody else?
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, I could say Muppet Oz completely sucked lemons, but from me, that's a redundant statement.:D Honestly, I feel Pepe saved MFS (Bobo did too) and Oz to an extent along with the other newer characters. I seriously doubt Rowlf would have worked as Toto anyway (I'd think Foo Foo would be a better choice). At least. in the film they were going for.

    To me, characters like Johnny, Sal, Bobo, VanNeuter, Pepe and Big Mean Carl were gems in a rough patch of an uneven TV show that were thankfully resurrected. Unfortunately, we lost Sal and VanNeuter when Brian left the Disney owned Muppets (a shame). I wish that there was some way to keep on Polly Lobster (but Kevin's too busy with Elmo) and Clueless Morgan on too. I notice they've taken to having some of the pirates from MTI reused lately as well.
  13. Gonz21

    Gonz21 New Member

    I don't exactly hate him. I just don't like him. I can handle him in, like others have said, small doses and for me a little (Ha! Get it?) of him goes a long way.
  14. MuppetySmurf

    MuppetySmurf Member

    I think Pepe is pretty funny! what made people start hating him? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I like Pepe sometimes, but too many of his jokes are just cheap laughs.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Still think the worst characters from that era have been abandoned. Other than that one Muppets Kitchen segment with Andy and Randy and like, a video game appearance (I don't count the comics) you never see them anymore. Thank Frogness. They were only really good in the John Goodman episode. And they were the BETTER pigs in that series. Hasslehog and Spamella were flat parodies. I'm surprised that they made her work in Muppet Snow White (now I'm counting the comics).

    Still, makes you wonder what happened to Seymore, though I just don't see where he'd fit in exactly.
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  17. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    He was poached.

    Pepe is fine. Bill wasn't comfortable preforming Rowlf and Dr. Teeth before, and only just recently, got into the roles. I think his shining Rowlf was the skateboard video. And his Dr.Teeth was the Bohemian video. Pepe and Bobo where his babysteps into having characters.

    My big concern is that Walter is going to push back Pepe and Rizzo, being the gang's new tiny muppet.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Walter depends on the success of the movie or at least the polt. Of course, I think BTL is done for good, and Peter Linz would be more available to perform the character, so that's always an option.
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  19. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Active Member

    Honestly, Pepe did not really annoy me at first. I saw him in MFS when I was 13, and thought he was pretty funny. It was only as I got older and saw him as a scene-stealer whose shtick involved little more than random pop culture references and saying things are sexy that he started to annoy me. I mean, REALLY annoy me. I miss Johnny (he is my avatar, after all), but I guess they really don't know what to do with him without Sal. They should do what I did in my fanfics and give him a girlfriend, or something.

    But back to Pepe. He does get on my nerves, but is tolerable in small doses.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While Pepe is one of my favorite new characters, Johnny (a close second) is just a little more fleshed out as a character. I think he could work alright without Sal, but I want to see either Brian come back or have Sal recast (I think Tyler could do a decent job). It's bad enough only Johnny got an action figure...


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