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Where's the love for Rocky and Bullwinkle?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It seems that way, unless had they an actual Rocky and Bullwinkle fanclub for kids to buy in membership to. I'm not sure they did or not, not one ever said there was.

    Somehow it sounds like they wanted kids to form their own little, unofficial clubs and from there, kids would wind up buying as much Bullwinkle Merchandise (such as it was) to furnish these clubs or something.
     
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I don't think there was an official Rocky and Bullwinkle fan club. If there was, I wouldn't be surprised if the segments ended with them saying how to join (and wouldn't be surprised if those were cut from reruns and video releases, as the mailing address and membership probably wouldn't be relevant anymore).

    Another thing I've thought of: There's a few segments where it's clear that they don't have many members (just Bullwinkle, Rocky, Boris, Natasha, and Captain Peachfuzz), but in the elections episode, when Bullwinkle gives a campaign speech, it sounds like there is a big crowd. Could membership have gone up (maybe they're all Boris' enemies who chased him on "Bring a Friend Day")? Considering the campaign is for president of the fan club, I'd assume anyone outside of the club would care who was elected (and most of the members were nominated - only Boris and Natasha, the later not even appearing in that episode, were not nominated). Of course considering that most shows treat school elections like a major election, I guess it's not that big a stretch.
     
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Lately I've been thinking about how all of Jay Ward's shows were "multiple shorts" shows, and it gets me wondering, if Jay Ward did have a series that focused on a single narrative per show, would it have had heartfelt moments as opposed to being funny and pun-filled all the time? I know that most of the shows had cliffhangers as the main feature, but even those don't seem to have many heartfelt moments (more time to develop the stories, but since they are short, there might not be a lot of room for heart).

    What would be the most emotional, serious moment in Rocky and Bullwinkle, regardless of which segment it is? The movie seemed to have some of those kinds of moments, such as when Boris and Natasha realize they are failures as enemies (but that emotional moment ends when Natasha lies to Fearless Leader about killing moose and squirrell). I think Dudley Do-Right had some, and the Boris and Natasha movie also had some serious, heartwarming moments.

    Of course I haven't seen much of Jay Ward's non-Bullwinkle shows so I could be wrong. Crusader Rabbit and Hoppity Hooper very well could have had a lot of heartwarming moments and I just don't know it.

    Part of what got me thinking about this was something discussed in Tough Pigs' "Very Special Henson Specials" article on Hey Cinderella, pointing out that it's the first time Jim Henson did something for an hour and one of his first productions to have a lot of heart as opposed to just being jokey (cleverly mixing funny moments with emotional development, even within the same scenes). If Jay Ward did something for a full 30 minutes or more, would it have been a pun a minute (and I know, Jay Ward never actually wrote any of the scripts)? It's a shame he couldn't do that Bullwinkle Super Bowl special he was going to do. It's a shame there weren't half-hour Bullwinkle specials in general.
     
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

  5. Mr Snrub

    Mr Snrub Active Member

    Watched the first episode. The talk show segments are very bleh, but the segments modeled after the original shorts are pretty good
     
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  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I didn't dislike the talk show segments, the humor was very different from the adventure segments and thus the original series as well. It's closer to the movie in tone, but not entirely without potential. At least it isn't as obsessively hyper as the cough other Jay Ward cartoon revival. Though I kinda wish the show was more on the side of adventure segments rather than talk show ones.

    I guess they're trying to build it up as a semi-Bullwinklish format, cutting the main cartoon into segments and all. It sort of works. Overall, I'm pretty happy with how this turned out, but the adventure segments are far better than the filler bits. I could see them doing something similar to that on the original series, and ...eh... I think I liked this outing with Napoleon better than the original. But to be fair, that was one of the earlier ones that weren't really funny anyway. And I'm liking Chris Parnell as Mr. Peabody. I'd almost say he did a better job than Ty did in the film. And of course, I'm happy they credited Ted Key as the creator of the original series for both this series and the movie. Nice to see credit where it's due.
     
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Even though I know it'll never happen at this point, I kind of wish we could see what THE BULLWINKLE SHOW titles would have looked like properly restored and in DVD-quality: the titles were always iffy in syndication, earlier episodes have very faded and washed out colors, but starting from about "Rue Britannia" for the rest of the series, the colors were much better.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I was going to say I wish they had some of the Bullwinkle episodes on Netflix, but they're also on hulu for free, so...

    I do like the new Peabody and Sherman series, though I have to admit, the Amadeus episode was disappointing. I'm getting to like the talk show elements a bit more, but wish the whole series was just the insert cartoons. And I wish they'd put the darn Bullwinkle short that's only on the 3-D Blu-Ray super special edition on Netflix as well. They really chose a poor distribution point for that short. It's pretty good.
     
  9. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I just discovered this show called Roger Ramjet,I actually really like it .Reminds me a lot of a sketch from Rocky and Bullwinkle.
     
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I see this a lot.

    Roger Ramjet is not related to Bullwinkle at all. However, it's been said that Bullwinkle's Bill Scott was a fan of this series.

    But hold on to your hat. This show may not have any Bullwinkle connections, but it does have some concerning something we all should know. Sesame Street!

    Hubba Whah you may ask?

    The cartoon was really produced by Pantomime Pictures. I'm 90% sure either they or the animation staff would go on to produce early Sesame Street cartoons. But one credit on the show stands out. Jim Thurman. A name to know on Sesame Street. He was both a writer and voice actor for the series. The Sesame Workshop connection doesn't end there. An expy of Roger from the creators of that old series was made for Square One Television. In fact, it's basically Roger Ramjet with math thrown in...



    Same exact humor and voice actors too. Gary Owens plays the hero, and Joan Gerber appears as additional voices.
     
  11. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Interesting,the humor and the pacing does remind me of an early Sesame Street animation.
     
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I first heard of Roger Ramjet when I looked in a 1995 Video Movie Guide which had an entry on video releases of the series. Usually when I think of the title Roger Ramjet, I think Roger Rabbit. Interestingly, in that video guide, it said that Ken Snyder was involved in it before being involved with Sesame Street. How interesting that his SST involvement was pointed out, as I don't think casual audiences are aware of the various SST animators, and don't think Ken Snyder was ever a big name. For years I wondered who he was and what he did for the show.
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I somehow found out about it in a small local chain VHS rentals place that had an extensive selection of eccentric and rare VHS. I didn't really get a chance to see it until I found a RealVideo file of the thing on Toontracker. Thankfully years later, youtube gave me a better look at the series and I grabbed the incomplete Sony Wonder DVD set a couple years back as it was cheap at Best Buy. Like five bucks.

    Unfortunately, the glider that came with the DVD set broke. I knew I shouldn't have put it together.
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Boris's disguises have always been paper-thin, but it's just now occured to me that they were so much so throughout the Jet Fuel Formula arc that even his aliases were paper-thin: Ace Rickenboris? Sir Thomas Lippenboris?
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I just finished what I'm hoping is the first 13 episodes of the Netflix Peabody and Sherman episodes. I've grown to like the hosting segment wraparounds, they get better after a few episodes. Like when Mr. Peabody's Parents (turns out, he was also adopted by dogs, just not talking ones) come over for a visit, ruins his show and drives Peabody into a nervous breakdown with some of the wackiest animation I've seen in a while (outside of Uncle Grandpa, of course).

    During episode 12's time travel adventure (John Foster Sutter- the Gold Rush guy), they even have...

    A silent cameo by another Bullwinkle character, well two... Dudley Do-Right and Horse the horse. In fact, all the Canadians are drawn to be Dudley.

    I really hope to see more of these.
     
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Something has intrigued me: the Rocky and Bullwinkle segments had a regular narrator - Bill Conrad, Fractured Fairy Tales had a regular narrator - Edward Everett Horton, and Charlie Ruggles was always on hand for Aesop's fables . . . but the Dudley Do-Right cartoons alternated narrators between Paul Frees and Bill Conrad, and I kind of wonder why? I'm sure it couldn't be availability issues, because Bill was always on hand to narrate R&B, and Paul was certainly on hand for a bulk of the voice work, including Inspector Fenwick.
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There was a break in the production of Dudley Do-Right episodes. The first half were Bill Conrad, the second half was Frees. Sort of like how Bill Conrad was pegged to be a narrator for Super Chicken, but only did the pilot, and Paul Frees became the narrator of all 3 George cartoons. originally, Hans Conreid was to be the George of the Jungle Narrator, by the way.

    Actually, now I'm not sure if I got the order correct... but I know there was a break in production of the Dudley cartoons, and at one point Conrad was unavailable.
     
  18. Flaky Pudding

    Flaky Pudding Well-Known Member

    There's no way in heck this character wasn't inspired by Bullwinkle:
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    I mean look at him, he's practically a blue replica of Bullwinkle!
     
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  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member



    The visual style may be updated, but at least they've got a nice handle on the traditional Rocky and Bullwinkle humor, with the false enthusiam from the guests, and with them being such a product of the late 50s/early 60s, the wedding song selection was a nice, period-appropriate choice, lol.

    And who knew that Fearless Leader's true intentions for killing and Rocky and Bullwinkle were nothing more than trophies.
     
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  20. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Well, I don't exactly love the way the characters look in this, the CGI is at least much better than the movie though.
    And, the voice cast is great. Tom Kenny does a good Bullwinkle, whoever they got for Boris is a great too. June Foray is still very talented and still a fitting voice for Natasha, although, Rocky's voice is a bit distracting. He sounds, well, he sounds like an old lady. She doesn't really seem to be able to get her voice to that high pitch anymore, which is understandable. But she seems to be having a hard time emoting with his voice, due to the pitch. She's still a good voice actor, but if they ever do something more major like a movie or a show, they should probably replace her as Rocky.
     


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