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Why aren't older Sesame Street shows rerun?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by WiGgY, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. Mark The Shark New Member

    Here is what *you* can do to make this happen:

    Buy "Christmas Eve On Sesame Street."

    Buy "Put Down The Duckie."

    Buy "Songs From The Street."

    Buy "Muppets Magic."

    Buy the "Muppet Show" DVDs.

    If stuff like the above *sells* in sufficient quantities to economically justify the expense and effort to create it...then there will be more. If not, there won't be. That is simple supply and demand. And first and foremost, every one of us needs to say "thank you" to the powers that be who released all of the above, and then *politely and sincerely* request that more shows be made available. Saying "I hate Elmo" or "the current Sesame Street sucks" or "Jim Henson must be rolling over in his grave" isn't going to accomplish anything. Neither will "when r u going to relese more old sesemes they will sell in the millions hjow u cant c that is beyond me u r a fool."

    "Sesame Street Unpaved" was a great show, and I'm glad it was on and I had the opportunity to record it. Would I have liked there to have been more episodes included? Yes. Would I have preferred more of the earlier episodes (ones that actually were from my childhood) included? You bet. Would I buy them if DVDs were released? Absolutely. Maybe not all at once (I'm not a millionaire), but absolutely.

    Are there a million people who will buy this stuff to justify the costs of making it available? I don't know, but most likely not. Yes, there are loads of folks on newsgroups and message boards clamoring for the stuff...but read some of the posts. "Burn them for me." "Rip them for me." "Send me an MP3." Is that going to help convince SW to release official product? No way. And when they *were* running vintage shows...what kinds of reactions did they get? "Show me *all* the shows and give them to me for nothing!" "They're repeating the same ones over and over!" "The shows are edited!" Yes, it's a Catch-22. Corporate minds like the folks who make those kinds of decisions (whether to release something on video or to TV) operate within a very narrow frame of mind. They "know" that these shows are old, they "know" they're dated, they "know" kids won't watch anything without Elmo, etc. I hate to sound like a broken record...but petitions and internet whining are not going to do anything. If something *sells,* then there will be more. If it *bombs,* then the studios and producers' reaction is, "See? No one wants this stuff." Yes, it's an "Igotcha," but that's the way it is.

    Not trying to be a Grinch...but seriously...if you want more of the stuff out there, then *cast your vote* by supporting the release of vintage material that's already available.

    Have a nice day.
  2. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way... but SW wants to listen to the kids, not the die hard fans... I hope that somehow the adult sized T-shirts (I wear my Ernie and Bert Shirt with pride!) and the eventual action figure line will make them see that more adults like it than kids. I mean, I grew up in the 80's when some of the skits were being retired... I never knew Rowlf the Dog was on SS (except the pilot, because of the Celebrate Jim henson special). At least a Best of classics set would be great, but they just want to rerelease half the videos to DVD, and make Elmo's World compilations..

    NICK JR. RUINED AMERICA!!!!
  3. Pug Lover New Member

    Just for interest sake,last year Christmas Eve On Sesame Street was aired on TV,and I was able to tape it and add it to my ever expanding VHS library.It was quite a treat for me to see Mr.Hooper,David and the rest of the Sesame Street gang from my childhood days again.Very nostalgic! :p :(
  4. ssetta Active Member

    Wow, they still air that? It was probably just your local station, it has not aired here in years.
  5. Oliver New Member

    The only non-Muppet dvd's I'v purchased to date were A Sesame Street Christmas & Follow That Bird, and to be honest, I didn't remember watching SS Christmas as a child and was somewhat dissapointed. I was hoping to see a television special in context to how the original Sesame Street used to air. There were a couple of great skits, but overall it didn't impact me the way it seems to do for most others... possibly because the nostalgia factor wasn't there.

    I totally disagree with Mark though, why should I be forced to purchase a less-than quality compilation release of a couple of songs and skits in order to prove my consumer loyalty to a company I owe nothing to? That's a ridiculous statement. When a proper release is offered, I will be the first to support, but I refuse to go out and purchase a dvd because it contains a couple of 4 minute sketches with Grover or an edited version of a SS Unpaved song. No thanks.

    If somebody decides to do it right and market a Sesame Street collection, or even a proper best-of release to us fans, than I will be the first in line to purchase it... but I am not going to accept what's currently offered. That does not prove anything but that we consumers are content with half-***** products and DVD's that were produced without any insight into what fans actually want to see. I refuse to be exploited in that sense.
  6. WiGgY New Member

    I agree. Buying the edited and poorly done stuff will lead to more edited and poorly done stuff. Same with the action figures. If we all looked at the horrible sculpts and just accepted them, we'd never get anything good. We still might not get anything good. I would collect Sesame action figures, but not if they don't look good enough to me. I'm not one of those people that buys anything with the Muppet or Sesame logo on it.
  7. Mark The Shark New Member

    No one is "forcing" anyone to do anything. In fact, I myself have "Muppets Magic" and that's it as far as any commercial DVDs.

    My point was that corporate mentality being what it is, the economic bottom line is the only thing that matters to the people who are in a position to release this stuff. Therefore, if the material that is currently available sells, then the laws of supply and demand dictate that there will be more.

    There is a huge debate going on among Laurel and Hardy fans concerning just this issue. The rights to the majority of Laurel and Hardy's sound-era films are owned by the Hallmark corporation, which has done very little with them and seems to have no interest in releasing them. meanwhile, overseas, loads of great restored DVDs have been released. Hallmark just recently released a single-volume disc in the United States, which has five of their greatest films on it, but it was mastered from some inferior source material (including a TV version of "Sons Of the Desert" with fade-ins and fade-outs for commercial breaks) and a version of "The Music Box" with obvious tape damage in it. So L&H fans are in a quandry...everyone's instinct is to pass it by and go for the foreign editions (which require getting a multi-region DVD player)...but Hallmark has made it clear that if this one tanks, then that's it. It's tough.

    But that's the way it is.
  8. Pug Lover New Member

    Luckily I have enough Laurel & Hardy movies in my VHS library to keep me satisfied.My copies of Sons Of The Desert and The Music Box are way better than that Hallmark stuff. ;)
  9. WiGgY New Member

    It's a catch 22 and it sucks. Companies sell inferior products and then say if you don't buy it, that's it. If the would just do it right the first time they wouldn't have the problem of too many DVDs left on the shelf.

    Palisades is kind of an example, but not really. Look at series 1 Piggy. She didn't sell because she was inferior compared to the other figure. (wrong hair style and color, no texture, eyes all wrong, etc.) So now we can't get a good regular Piggy.

    It's either no Sesame Street DVDs, or bad ones. Until a company comes along that wants to do the job right, we won't see anything worth it.
  10. mikebennidict New Member

    Setta has mentioned before how the older episodes would confuse the kids. or would thay? somebody says they may not like the fact elmo isn't in them. but let's take Ernie & Bert. who've with the show since day 1. i' m sure i didn't see them on every day though i'm sure a week didn't go by without them or others being on. i couldn't imagine myself being bothered about a certain character no matter who it was being on everyday i'm sure not every child would be. i would think plenty wouldn't. i think it's a big fuss over nothing. any kid who watches SS that would being bothered about not seeing a certain character on everyday has something wrong with them and all the show is doing is contributing to their negativity when they could be teaching kids not to be that. and i'm not just saying that because of the older shows. i rememeber a show from this past season where everyone was gathered in the play area and 1 or more people got up and sang songs. unfortunatly they didn't perform the whole song they each sung. i'm sure they could of if they didn't use elmo's world and the others. the part i liked was Miles and Gabby singing a new way to walk. they did that well. they probably should make a whole abum themselves sing all the SS songs. long before noggin i thought it would be nice to see the reruns of SS and others from time to time and for any confusion, the parents just need to explain that theese are older SS episode going years back and they're showing them once in a while for those who grew up with them.and showing them on an irrregular baises won't hurt once in a while. they'd still be showing the more current stuff once in a while. i agree the the young audicence is more important but as i said once in a while for the older people wouldn't hurt.
  11. Well, I have e-mailed Thiteen (my main PBS station) to show SSU somewhere in the prime time/latenight line-up. They never replied.
  12. ssetta Active Member

    Been there, done that. I have called ALL the PBS stations that I get on cable, and they all said the same thing. I was actually upset when they all did away with the afternoon airings of the show years ago, and I called and complained, and they never did a thing about it.

    But unfortunately, the research says that kids don't like the old characters as much as they like elmo, because they're old. I mean, I do agree that kids should like the old shows, and you know what really makes me upset? A lot of parents think that ANYTHING from their childhood is dated, and they NEVER turn on SS for their kids, but they let them watch endless hours of stupid shows like Barney and Teletubbies. I don't think the age of anything matters, as long as its good.
  13. mikebennidict New Member

    the individual tv staions don't have power over what is distributed, that's up to the producers. while maybe what Ssetta says about the kids not liking the older stuff maybe true, i doubt at such a young age kids, the preschools age would have any concept on such stuff. the only thing i might understand a little bit better is the parents though i can't understand why any of them would be so rediculous other than noticing that their kids aren't enjoying them. that's why i suggest showing them once in a while. there's a couple of reasons why SS and other older shows haven't been shown over the years. they have an agenda wich is so important to the point that they just don't give a ----- about the older stuff, also i learned and it's mentioned on their website PBS holds the rights to shows for 3 years and within that time they're no longer allowed to show them after that. i don't know if it was always like that. The Electric Company while on from 1971-1976 continued to be shown in many markets at least 9 years after production ceased. Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood wich began in 1967 and went national in 1968, had episodes between the years of 1969 though 1975 being shown up til the early 90s. the reason for that was probably due to the fact the show for whatever reason ceased production between 1975-1979. today the epiosdes are 1979-2001. 321 contact witch began in 1980 i saw on and off up untill 1990 including the shows from the 1st season. i get a feeling some of this is PBS itself. matter of fact i rad in some internet acticle they weren't happy with the older shows being shown on Noggin. with the grown up shows, it's seems to be the same thing. though i rememeber seeing old reruns of Julia Child's 1st cooking sries The French Chef being shown on an off. til 1987. that was in production from 1963-1973 thought the reruns for some reason were limited to the early 70s. obviously PBS wasn't alway so ridgid. also Nova began in 1974 wich mean it will be 30 years old in fact this month i believe. doubt will see any old episodes of that. seeing all of theese would be better than seeing reruns of Andy Williams variety hr. that aired on NBC in the 1960 witch was aired last Sat. night on WTTW.
  14. ssetta Active Member

    Well, some PBS stations do air more old shows than others, but not SS, unfortunately. Also, it's the minor ones that air more old shows, and not so much the major ones. Especially the Rhode Island PBS station, which I receive here. I've seen educational programming during the day where they even have the 1989 PBS logo. I know about these things partially because I get 4 different PBS stations where I live.
  15. mikebennidict New Member

    i've been going through the though message board and saw ssetta's post about talking to the Sesame Workshop and inspite reading the same stuff at YL, i noticed the person said they, the people there hate the old stuff. what? now it's one thing if the public isn't interested. that's partly why i've said though them once in a while especially if they have a good ammount of older people watching them. i wonder if theese shows really got a chance to succeeed since at the time and maybe even now isn't carried on many companies. but the staff not appreciating the early SS? there's something twisted about that. i don't think i'm looking foward to this upcommong PBS special next month.
  16. ssetta Active Member

    You aren't going to belive this, but...

    Throughout this and next week, WGBH is airing pledge shows from Season 32! Isn't that unbelievable? I wonder what kids will think when they see this! I mean, I have seen them rerun pledge shows from previous seasons before, but Season 32 was back when they had the old format! Isn't that amazing? And also, it's not PBS that's rerunning them, it's only WGBH. In other words, it's a decision that the local PBS station made. Because all the other stations that I get are airing the regular nationwide shows. Has anyone else ever seen something like this before?
  17. mikealan New Member

    Oh, I wish I had all 67 episodes. Even though, the PBS/Noggin combos of #2226 and #2404 are really hard to find!
  18. opensezame New Member

    I've wondered why they can be rerun, and there's really no good reason. ABCs and 123s and triangles and such haven't changed much recently, and in just the past 10-20 years there are enough episodes that a kid could have the pleasant experience of NEVER watching an episode twice if they reran em. I don't but the excuse that "kids might get confused" -- most kids don't religiously watch every episode in order, they see an episode now and then and that's it.

    Some people might be out of work though...if they show reruns maybe they won't ned as many episodes. But those resources could be directed towards making the old episodes better, maybe scrubbing any lousy content out of them?

    Do any producers watch this show?

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