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Why Did Boom! Change Their Paper?

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by beaker, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I really don't mean to nitpick, as it's amazing to walk into any comic store and see a whole mess of Muppet titles that have come out in the last year.

    But something that's kind of bugged me is how Boom switched from the standard slick glossy pages to a kind of rough course paper
    where it doesn't feel as nice thumbing through the pages *and* the colors look much duller. Not just on the Muppets comics but all the Boom Kids.

    Just wondering why they chose to do this, given virtually every other color comic on the market(major or super indie) is staying with the slick glossy paper that really brings the vibrancy of the pages. If it was to save costs, why do the titles remain $2.99?
    I would gladly pay an extra 50 c or even a dollar if it meant retaining the normal paper.

    Again, usually I find nitpicking is quite eye-rolling inducing, but for some reason this bugged me as in a way it kind of brought the enjoyment level down. I really love Langridge's replacement artist on the regular new Muppet series, as well as Mebberson's
    art/coloring and it all seems really muted now.
  2. SkeksisGirl

    SkeksisGirl New Member

    Sounds like they did it to cut the cost of making the book so they could turn in a bigger profit by keeping them the same price.

    ::Used to work in a Comic store.::
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Holy cow, is THAT how much comic books are now? The last I checked, they were $2.50, but $2.99? That's a whole dollar more than what I USED to pay for a comic book back in the days when I would get a new issue of Cartoon Cartoons every month.
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's too much. I rarely buy comic books, so I don't mind(most the art in comics seems horribly stuck in the early 1990's)

    It's just I woulda paid an extra 50 cents to have them maintain the slick glossy vivid color paper instead of the rough sandpaper pap.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You nuts? I see them go all the way up to 5 bucks and over. The Tick used to be a pretty expensive piece of surreal estate before...but now it's like 5 bucks an issue...

    2.99 and 2.50 (mostly DC Kid's titles) are as low as they go, unless you're looking at the discount bins of old, unsellable issues of bad indie comics (Mostly the bad TMNT ripoffs that caused the collapse of the indie market in the 80's) and Good Idea at the time comic adaptions/tie ins (A LOT of KISS comics are in there that way).

    I'm sure Amy said exactly why they changed it, and I can't remember her saying it was a cost issue (but I can barely remember anything from time to time). But I agree... the glossy paper made everything pop visually. It isn't terrible,... but I just don't like the feel of it... it's like if I wanted to pull a page out of one of them, I could sand down several piles of rough wood. :sing:
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Perhaps they got that boom-boom-pow, them chickens...er...jacking their style, then trying to...um...copy their swagger and on that next paper now?
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oddly enough, some new titles have the most mindblowing art and have an insane amount of pages("double issues) yet are still $2.99-$3.99 range...yet some are about 15 pages of art, and almost double that in pages.

    The amazing thing is that ANYONE even still buys comics anymore. Despite comic based movies making the most money out of any cinematic ventures(kazillions!), I hardly ever hear of *actual* comic collectors cept those sad 36-45 year old guys who literally take the plot lines seriously and have spirited debates at comic stores.

    I remember the old Tick! Along with a ton of great indie comics(Love and Rockets, Scud, The Maxx, Strangers In Paradise, Cerebus, etc)

    Actually, it's more like an embarrassing glut 1991-2001
    "super hero" comics that I can't imagine anyone thought was an actual good idea(thanks a lot Liefeld!) Seriously, if you go back to so many of those titles, they just look absolutely wretched...sadly, the art style of American comics doesn't look too different now.

    Ms. Mebberson mentioned this? Aww, ok. Just seems like an odd decision, as it really mutes the color palette and seems a big industry standard step back. I won't even buy any Boom title using this paper, that's how much I dislike it.
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You so didn't mention Liefeld. LOL! He must be one of the most disliked comic book hacks of this era. The whole Shatter Star controversy is odd. I wonder if Disney will keep it going now that they purchased Marvel. By the way, has anyone confirmed when this deal officially goes through? Being a Muppet fan we know it ain't over until the ink is dry and filed away.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    That too, but I'm talking about the large number of poorly done B&W indie comics, most of which had "parodies" of TMNT *actually knock offs to see if they can get a toy line and cartoon show as well). It didn't help the indie comic industry at all, and it even started to hurt the popular and well liked titles. There's an editorial in one of the old TMNT comics about how the indie market was flooded with such bad, poorly written, poorly drawn, and howlingly unfunny titles. If anyone has graced the quarter bin of a comic book store, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I did kinda like Psycho Duck... but I've seen stuff that isn't even worth a quarter.

    Personally, until these Muppet comics came out, the only comics I bothered reading were either Japanese (Ultimate Muscle and Dr. Slump specifically) or Franco-Belgian (Asterix, Lucky Luke). Sure, I'd grab the occasional Sonic X or whatever I found at half off sales, but I have to admit, I'm more of a fan of the animated series the comics spring from in most cases (though I like the original Tick and TMNT comics better than both their respective series).
  10. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't call that sad at all. You may know i've been actively involved the last few months with the move to keep another one of my areas of fandom, One Life to Live, from cancellation and supporting the dying genre of the daytime drama. As i've been defending the genre i've commented on how serial storytelling is a noble art form with centuries of tradition with the only current examples of storytelling that carry decades of history are soap operas and comic books. Comic books have the advantage of being able to go back and viewing the entire run of the story (Monthly vs. daily input plus the tradition of networks erasing old tapes - when they had them - up until the 70's). The longer and richer a story, the more invested its fans will be in it.
  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    LOL! You're talking about quarter bin comics one could find around 1989/1990! I remember in the late 80's grabbing a ton of
    anthropomorphic comic titles(Miami Mice, Fish Police, Radioactive Hamsters, etc) and absolutely loving those. I have fond memories of those...long live 80's inide comics!

    I mostly was collecting cyberpunkish American manga sci fi stuff
    as well as Oni Press/Slave Labor Graphic indie comics as far as my post millennial comic habits. Anything by Vasquez of course.
    Though I just don't collect comics like I used to...never ever liked Archie Comics, but I collect anything Sonic X.

    Heh, I remember in 1992(as a HUUUUGE diehard obsessive comic fan back then) hearing all over how Liefeld was the wave of the future, the new generation. Haven't heard what he was up to, but I did see an ad for a comic series that brings all the 1992-1993 era Image characters(who of course have gone on to Wildstorm, Top Cow, etc) back for a story arc.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The good ones anyway... I still find those types of quarter bins, and every so often I'll find an old TMNT in them. But sometimes you just see wave after wave of bad TMNT "Parody." I see there's a resurgence of indie comics and all, but it's not too long before the market is flooded with the stuff. Otherwise I'd look into it myself. I wouldn't want to be accused of making the comic that killed the industry.
  13. Amy

    Amy Member

    I know I mentioned the paper change, but ****** if I can remember the reason, either!
    Probably the simple reason of cost-cutting. I think there's a bit of aesthetic reasoning too, with newsprint stock being more 'old school'.
    It bugs me too, for the very reason stated - the colours look muddier and details don't pop as well.
    Personally, I think at the VERY least, limited editions like variant covers should be on the glossy stock, especially as they often carry a higher price than the regular $2.99, but that's totally at the discretion of whomever is selling it.

    But the graphic novel compilations of the Pixar/Muppet titles ARE on the glossy stock.

    (edit - I can't say the D word? Oh fer cryin' out loud...)
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I'm an 80's(and 90's) kid, but some of the retro stuff bugs me...like intentionally faded/messed up t shirt graphics at $22 a shirt.

    By the way, do you know if you're exclusive cover for the TMS comic #1 is available anywhere? I know they only made about 500, I just loved that art on there(wish they had made a poster of it) Anyways good to see a fellow West coast comic artist and fellow diehard Muppet fan!

    lol, I don't think super obscure 1980's b/w indie TMNT spoof comics ruined the comic industry. I would say people's general lack of interest by the late 1990's of comics in general helped kill the industry; whereby collectible card games and anime related things were the only things keeping a lot of comic shops afloat. Look at Battletoads, I don't think there was a bigger TMNT ripoff than that, but in it's own way it was pretty successful for an early 90's brand(I personally didnt like the Bucky Ohare/Moo Mesa/Battletoads type stuff of the early 1990's)
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You can't even say the H word in the biblical sense. It's that strict a filler.

    Well, It's a bit of both. Oversaturation and lack of interrest both contributed to it. There are bigger, deeper details... anyone with even a mimeograph machine could release a comic in those days, and people were starting to walk away from the medium all together... add it up, and it spells trouble.

    Of course, Bucky O' Hare came out in the late 70's, years before TMNT (and it was one of the reasons why they couldn't sell a Usagi Yojimbo/ Space Usagi series in the 90's). And Moo Mesa was created by a close friend and contribute of the TMNT team. In fact, there's a TMNT Moo Mesa crossover comic I never got around to actually reading. It was released a little over a year ago.
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    So, why is Boom one of the only companies releasing comics on such horrible paper, when even the super low run indie publishers all are doing glossy high quality color comics? Disney's work shineth not I'm afraid.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Could this paper be greener?
  18. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    "Why did Boom! change their paper?"

    Well, i mean, isn't it obvious?

    If you don't change the paper every so often, things get kind of...funky...
  19. Aaron Sparrow

    Aaron Sparrow New Member

    Cost is the primary concern. The royalty rate we pay, production costs, etc. all contribute to our choice of paper stock...but the main reason is our continuing efforts to keep our BOOM Kids! line at a $2.99 cover price. Glossier stock would necessitate a cost hike to the $3.99 BOOM! Studios price, and I don't think any of us want that on the kids line.

    -A


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