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Why Disney? Or Episode One: The Phantom Mouse

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by danielromens, Jun 8, 2002.

  1. radionate

    radionate Well-Known Member

    I have to agree with Beaker on Shrek. I'm one of the only people I know who didn't really enjoy it all that much. I thought Monsters Inc. was far better (but nothing will ever touch Toy Story 2 IMHO)

  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I just never enjoyed the Toy Story films that much. Monsters Inc had some spectacular craftmanship, but it played the kids angle too much for my taste. I dod enjoy it and one can't beat the modeling, but I like Shrek much better. It spoke to more than just the kids and that's what I like in an animated film.
  3. radionate

    radionate Well-Known Member

    I see your point. I guess I just thought Shrek went for cheap laughs at times. I just don't know what it is about the film that I don't like. I've never been able to put my finger on it. I am interested to see what the sequel will be like. I'm hoping it will focus on more of the fairy tale folk. That's my absolute favorite part of the movie. There are tons of subtle jokes that you have to search out in the scenes. I love the fact that Peter Pan is in the background turning in Tinkerbell!!!!
  4. Thog

    Thog Well-Known Member

    Here is what they have to say about the sequel.

    The film picks up right where the first movie ended... Shrek and Fiona return from their honeymoon to find a letter from Fiona's parents inviting the newlyweds over for dinner. The only problem is that they have no idea that their daughter is now an ogre.
  5. radionate

    radionate Well-Known Member

    Who is "they", and please tell me "they" are kidding. What are they going to call it, Shreks Whose Coming To Dinner?
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    This sequel doesn't sound too great to me, but I never thought I'd like the first one so much.
  7. Janice & Mokey's Man

    Janice & Mokey's Man Well-Known Member

    Oh man, this reminds me of a great gag on "Designing Women" about that movie...*snickers*

    You go, Suzanne! :D
  8. Blind Pew

    Blind Pew Well-Known Member

    Is she an ogre?

    PS. Thog, I LOVE your avatar of Patsy!

    Cheers Sweetie Darling
  9. Smig

    Smig Well-Known Member

    From the CHINA DAILY NEWS (Via CARTOON RESEARCH) Disney skimps on animation

    LOS ANGELES: The Walt Disney Co, which built its international fame on animated features, is cutting corners on the quality of its latest products to save money, animators charge.

    They say the company's cost-cutting includes skimping on the quality of straight-to-video sequels of popular Disney features and executives meddling with the creative process.

    The company has recently taken other cost-cutting measures, such as closing 50 retail stores, cutting operating hours at theme parks, reducing movie studio costs and eliminating 4,000 jobs to counteract the effects of a sluggish economy.

    "They don't have long-term plans to keep traditional artists. I hear how unfair and how 'un-American' it is, but the bottom line is that the corporation doesn't care. If laying people off is what they have to do, they'll do it. There is no family, it's a ruthless shark tank," said Steve Hulett, business representative of the Motion Picture Screen Cartoonist Local 839.

    Animator Brian Mitchell is selling T-shirts online saying "No more cheapquels!" - his term for the cheap, animated sequels that Disney has produced for the straight-to-video market.

    While the company banks on the public's recognition of "Cinderella" and "Peter Pan," its sequels have weaker characters and story lines and are made with lower quality animation and with budgets at a fraction of the cost of the original films, animators say.

  10. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Smig thanks for sharing the story with us! Interesting stuff.
  11. Janice & Mokey's Man

    Janice & Mokey's Man Well-Known Member

    No comment.

    Except that is 100% correct.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The fact that they made a Little Mermaid 2 still upsets me. :(
  13. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    The fact they made a Little Mermaid still upsets me. :mad:
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Oh, I loved The Little Mermaid. It is my favorite Disney animated film and it revamped Disney's image and animation division. A very important film.
  15. danielromens

    danielromens Well-Known Member

    Hey luke,

    i've not yet seen the dvd and have not seen the new stuff what is it. and is it really all that great. Yeah they work together these days, which weirds me out, but even still. Different or not they were Jim Henson's Muppets not Disneys, they didn't create them. And he DIED, regardless we didn't see these things until after he passed. He died and they put them out anyway. the thought of that p*sses me right out the friggin door. I'm actually a little bitter about it. What a total lack of respect.

    I once read in an article that came out while things were going sour that there was a puppet of Micheal Eisner being eaten by a monster in the New York Workshop.

    Back to the thread....I also don't feel like Disney has the backing of it's product that people think. Granted their shows are still on air in Toon Disney. but that's because it's an entire channel devoted to THEIR WORK. I don't see any new darkwing duck merch around. but he's still syndicated on their channel. It fills a time slot for a channel of their cartoons. Go figure. For every project that they've backed and supposedly supported, there are a ton of others that they've thrown to the wayside.
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm still a little bitter about Disney's behavior after Jim Henson died as well. However, I don't think many other companies of their stature would have handled things much differently. I could be wrong.

    The difference between Darkwing Duck and the Muppets is that Darkwing's fame lasted a few years as the Muppets have spanned decades. I doubt they would ever shelve Kermit. The only real cause for conern is that they'll release too much - or that we'll get The Greatest Muppet Caper, The Muppets Take Manhattan Again or Return to Muppet Treasure Island. I cringe at the thought, but I still feel the "big fish" should win out over the other large companies. :)
  17. danielromens

    danielromens Well-Known Member

    I of course understand your respect for the larger company, but with so many characters already are they really the best. I walked into a Disney Story lately and their was so much Pooh stuff it almost made me wet my own pants. They had monochrome pink pooh dolls, book of pooh dolls, pooh dolls in various costumes, classic pooh, disney pooh. It was total over kill and the products weren't even that great. Sad really.

    Personally I think the Muppets would benefit more with a company that has a lot of money but not as many brandname characters to worry about. This would grant for a lot more care and emphasis on them, without as much contention from characters within the same company.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    I can understand what you are saying but I still think that the Muppets will likely go to a big company with a large stock of characters if not Disney. They really are the biggest candidate even if many fans don't.

    It is incredibly unlikely that some sort of company as you have mentioned would pick up the Muppets as they will come at an expensive price. The only serous contenders I see are Fox, Dreamworks, AOL/Time Warner and Disney. It would be nice if a smaller family run type of company, but I just don't see it happening and I think there would be much less product in that case.

    I don't understand what you are saying about Pooh merchandise. I live near a Disney store and I think Pook is well represented. Yes there's a lot of stuff, but he is incredibly popular - more so than Mickey these days. If that happened to Kermit, Gonzo and the gang I would be in heaven! I especially like the classic Pooh products. It shows that the company has some idea of an extended market for Pooh products. I just don't see what you mean in that arguement, but maybe I just disagree. That case could be made for other Disney characters though. The Monsters Inc Disney plushes were a little lack-luster.
  19. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Daniel :-

    Yeah the new DVD stuff is great - a commentary with Brian and Dave, but Rizzo and Gonzo interupt it to show extra clips, then a featurette where Rizzo and Gonzo present from the actual Henson screening room. The menus are apparently very cool too. I think this is all worthy stuff and the two companies seem to be working well - though Hensons themselves likely produced most of it and just passed it to Disney but still, it shows communication.

    As for Jim, yeah the Disney's "Muppets" thing as soon as he died was in bad taste, i'm just thinking that these things take a lot of planning so likely he knew about it and it was too late to stop from happening in certain cases once he died. I could be wrong though - there are others who might know for sure what was going on there.

    I'm always seeing many mentions of Dreamworks as a possible bidder for JHC - in actual fact it was just a theory someone here had years ago, i don't think Dreamworks have ever been interested or are involved in the sale process. It's more Disney, Time Warner, Viacom, Rivkin, News Corp, Hit Entertainment, Cosgrove and a few others.
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I stand corrected on Dreamworks. I guess it just got bounced around so much it started to have a ring to it.

    The Muppet Treasure Island DVD is definitely worth buying IMHO. The addition of the extra bits was really a shock. Could this be Disney playing nice? That is something that is a topic for debate. My opinion on the lack of widescreen has been noted and has lost many points with me. I feel the film transfer should come first, but it is an otherwise good DVD. I'm surprised the Disney bean counters spent the extra pennies on this release (even though actual material was obviously Henson produced).

    I just have to own the complete set and wait in years to come for the re-issue for the widescreen. It really is important with this film. Heck - I'm a widescreen guy through and through. Even my computer monitor is widescreen. :)

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