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Why isn't Skeeter a Muppet?

Discussion in 'Muppet Babies' started by Disneys Muppets, Jul 26, 2004.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wish he really WAS the Elmo of the Muppets so we could have actual merchandise with him on it.

    I'd say Animal's the Elmo of the Muppets... he's on more stuff than Kermit half the time. I Love Animal, but there's 4 other members of the Electric Mayhem (5, if you count Lips).
    I don't see why retconning Skeeter is such a bad thing. Even with the comic book ...

    well, straight from Roger's Mouth...

    I don't understand why it mattered... there's no real such thing as Muppet canon anyway... and Adult Skeeter's every bit a comics only creation as Kismet the Toad or Clint Wacky.

    I think the problem is the fact that Skeeter implies the fact Muppet Babies is canon. For some reason, everyone looks past cartoon shows. Ghostbusters never took The Real Ghostbusters into canon, when RGB took every literal thing that happened in the movies as plot (the two episodes that came with the 2 movie box set had basis in movie plotline, the destruction of Gozer and the Stay Puft Marshmallow goo in one, the emotion based slime from the second movie in another)... Men in Black II didn't care about Men in Black the series (though, if Kay really did get neutralized at the end of the first movie, why is he back as an agent? It could take place after the second one, but then Elle was said to have left in that movie). The only Muppet project to acknowledge Muppet Babies was MFC, with that strange home movie.... after all, Muppet babies WAS a fantasy sequence from Miss Piggy in MTM... and that can't even be made into a viable canon anyway. They're big Hollywood stars. Making a Broadway musical should be cake.

    So, I guess Henson and even Disney just didn't want a Muppet adult Skeeter retconned because they wanted to keep MB a separate thing. It's a shame she didn't get the Harley Quinn treatment (so beloved after Batman TAS, she was adopted into the comics as something darker). Though, honestly, I don't think anyone would have done as smashing a job as Roger and Amy did to create an older version of her.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    On the subject... it's funny what they retcon in certain things.

    Apparently, the Sonic video games reference his love of Chili Dogs that came out of the US comics and cartoon series.

    Eh... some people want to retcon, come don't. That's the case here.
  3. BeakerFan14

    BeakerFan14 Active Member

    When I was little I thought Skeeter grew up to be the guy who threw fish boomarangs (can't think of his name) but then I wondered why he/she had a mostache
  4. Whatnot1988

    Whatnot1988 Well-Known Member

    That's Lew Zealand.

    Anyway, I just thought of something about Skeeter (even though I have read a few pages of the "Family Reunion" comic).

    We all know that Scooter (on TMS) always go what he wanted just by saying, "My uncle owns the theatre." Would Skeeter be likely use this excuse to get what she wants?

    Moreover, what would JP Grosse himself have to say about his long-lost niece?
  5. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    It would depend on when JP began to take care of Scooter (assuming he did ... where are Scooter's parents?). If something happened and JP took Scooter on later, maybe he didn't know about Skeeter at all. Or maybe he did.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. That's something we'd have to fan piece together. I'm not so sure if she were really to use that one. Seems like she basically got work in the comic because Scooter vouched for her. Her uncle owns the theater, but she's never been in the theater before, so that would probably be a moot point. If, in the basis of the comic book, her uncle also owned the spy agency, that would do some good for here there.

    Still, the thing is until now, Henson and Disney have been distancing themselves from Muppet Babies being in their Muppets. Other than that weird bout of nostalgic merchandise back in 2004, you really don't see them around much. But even since the show began, there wasn't really a nod to them being connected. Sure, the actual Kermit hosted some videos, but that was about it.

    I don't think Skeeter was ever meant to be retroactively put back in the cast. On the plus side, I don't think anyone could have made the character as wonderful as Roger and Amy did.
  7. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Well something I don't understand is why Jim (Henson of course) and Frank and people decided to give Scooter a Sister, when she was never in any Muppet Production befor but not only that, she wasn't in any muppet production after Muppet Babies either, What Happened to her? Is she in the new muppet movie? I have so many questions on this new movie, 23 More days!!
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Skeeter was added to the cast to round out the female character quotient and also to add the almost stereotypical tom boy-ish athlete character that was quite the over used trope in the 1980's. I don't think it was Jim or Frank or whoever... it clearly had to go by Jim, and he allowed it. There weren't very many Muppet projects around that time (Jim was starting to do deeper things like Dark Crystal), and by the time The Jim Henson Hour popped up, Jim was working with new characters. Then, well... you know... he passed on and they just never bothered bringing the character back, despite constantly creating new characters for new projects, the character was never revisited. Now I think they're just being stubborn about the whole thing, but seeing Skeeter in the comics is a sign of change that some people want to acknowledge the Muppet Babies and Skeeter.

    But I said it before and I'll say it again, would Skeeter been half as great as Roger and Amy made her? Absolutely not! I wish some higher up will take those into consideration and put her in an actual Muppet project. Get either Karen Prell or Jennifer Barnhart or Leslie Cararra to perform her. Those seem to be the ideal choices.
  9. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    My personal opinion about Skeeter is that maybe they didn't want more fighting between Skeeter and Piggy because they fought a lot about Kermit... or at least Skeeter was crossing the line, and Piggy was in her face about it.:D

    But my point is, maybe they didn't want to mess up Piggy's adult character with what could be her worst frienemy.
    I really don't know...:confused:
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Eh... no. It's just because they never intended for Muppet Babies to be anything but a cartoon show and a line of merchandise. Sort of like how the Real Ghostbusters cartoon takes EVERYTHING that happened in the movie and references those events, but the second movie ignores everything that happened in the show in between the movies. They've been out of business and sort of split up according to the second film.

    That's just how franchises are run... unlike the Matrix which takes every comic book, video game, and animated anthology into it's canon.
  11. Skeeter 2 B

    Skeeter 2 B Member

    Ok I'm new here, so if this has been anccered, sorry, but has any one made a custom Skeeter puppet Yet? I'm curently working on geting the money to have one made for myself. Sence no one else will, maybe it's up to us to bring her to life. A puppet can't live till someone picks it up.
  12. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Maybe thats where the problem lies...most Muppets came out of a performance...some work and some don't (and we never see them again) FOr Skeeter it would be a case of doing this backwards...the character already exsist but in a different format. Thsi might cause disney and the Muppets to be reluctant to shoehorn a performer into a character that never exsisted as a puppet before. That being said I have two daughters and they notice that their are not many girl muppets. I think Skeeter would be huge hit if introduced as a Muppet. Thanks to the comic we have the ground work done already. Maybe she could pop up in the tales of a 6th grade muppet books or something...test the waters a bit
  13. Whatnot1988

    Whatnot1988 Well-Known Member

    One more question--if the cancelled series Muppets High was further developed to the point where it eventually hit the airwaves, would Skeeter be present in the cast like she is in MB?
  14. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Well-Known Member

    If she was supposed to be the alethic one, then yeah.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The question is, would Muppet High been animated like Muppet Babies or would it have been a puppet production. I could see Skeeter as an animated character, sure... but let's say it was live action, I don't think she'd have a chance of being there. That project has too many unanswered questions, because it came up as a concept and some odd merchandise, but nothing else.
  16. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    With Disney's help, full-body shots look a lot better. You don't have the glaringly robotic animatronics from yesteryear.

    Skeeter should come around when we can see her do stuff. Maybe not requiring CGI, but with the movie out, I have hope that Skeeter's schtick could be given some justice in a few more years.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hope whoever considers Skeeter read the Langridge books... Somehow, I'd just see them just slapping a wig on Scooter and calling it Skeeter.

    You know, maybe it was for the best. I don't think anyone could have done adult Skeeter the justice Roger and Amy did. I'd LOVE to see that version of Skeeter in some new project.

    Yeah! Muppets 2: the Search for Skeeter!
  18. We Got Us

    We Got Us Well-Known Member

    Ok, I love discussions like this, so prepare for two cents: Firstly, I can see why there is no Skeeter. She's the kind of a character that wouldn't sit well in the back row and would probably end up outshining a few others. She definitely brought out the mean, selfish side in Miss Piggy. And you have to remember that Miss Piggy's huge appeal now a days is that she's the dominant, fearless woman. Not sure where that goes when Tom-boyish Skeeter shows up. Also, that saddles Scooter with looking like a total nerd, which they were just finally beginning to fix. Muppet show Scooter =Richard Hunt's funny, ditzy, overeager go-fer, Muppet Babies Scooter = nerdy, super-genius under the shadow of twin sister. It's completely opinionated but I always though it really ruined the character. That being said, I loved Roger and Amy's arch. It was amazingly well done....but for a one-time project where your not sure how real it is. :D The parent's issue is an interesting one, I especially liked the fan-fic "Whatever Happened to Skeeter" for explaining that one.
    Ok, that's all I got. I would love to see Skeeter back in more comic books, but unless Scooter becomes a really mainstream character or something, I think they'd better take one thing at a time.
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Scooter was made the obligatory nerd character. Every 1980's show had one. I think they even turned Simon (of the Chipmunks) into a nerd in the 1980's series when he was just Alvin's more well behaved brother in The Alvin Show. I don't think he really talked that much or did all that much, but I haven't seen Alvin Show in years, so I can't back that up.

    Skeeter was the obligatory sporty/athletic character... but I think that making her the twin of the nerd character balances it out in a way that makes it seem less like a forced trope and more like a sibling thing.
  20. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    She risks outshining Piggy and Gonzo. However, there IS a sports-caster in TMS, so it's not hard to find her a niche where she can slide in and not step on too many toes. It's kind of like that question on the Mindset I read ages ago, like why is there Rowlf when there's Teeth ... and the thing is, they have different tastes. Gonzo is a daredevil with a penchant for including classical references. Skeeter's more of a regular athlete. Piggy is a fashion diva. I see Skeeter more as the solid frontier-type woman, who had to rake her own dirt and make it in life.

    What would be nice, if she's ever included, is to imply that she is the reason Piggy could stand up to her frog for the first time in decades in Paris. It's not hard to imagine a frank "girl talk" scene where Skeeter says she was never really after Kermit, just wanting to get Piggy and Kermit to admit they loved one another (and tweaking Piggy was fun, heeheehee), and that Piggy is so quick to demand admiration from the fashion world but doesn't have the cajones to demand it of the one guy from whom she needs it most. Piggy and Skeeter finally drop the rival role (but could keep more playful versions) and learn to accept their common sense of inner strength.
    Even without Skeeter, they seem to have been moving into this direction anyway. Scooter has a laptop in LTS and he works for Google in the movie. They're clearly getting some MB inspiration for him. The great part is that you don't even really have to deal with Muppet Babies. We rarely saw him (did we at all?) in JHH or MT, but those were very techie-heavy things (in comparison to TMS, anyway). I can imagine Digit and Lindbergh teaching him a lot about electronic do-dads.
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