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Why people dislike modern Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by D'Snowth, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    If there's anything I really miss, it's jokes. I understand cutting the spoofs and celebrities down, but like, there'd always been some funny quotes and lines in the stories and there honestly hasn't been. I can probably count on one hand the funny lines from this season.
     
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The sad thing is the one parody segment they had was quite clever, though I had to have an Orange is the New Black fan explain everything to me. Suffice to say, it was well researched a parody done by fans of the show. Heck, even the Birdy and the Beast story was pretty decent and had a few solid laughs in it. And I can't stress enough that Smart Cookies is the highlight of the season.

    Other than that, while I'm glad that the parodies have been cooled down (listing Girl Scouts "and their cookies" and Simon Sez as parodies was just...sad) and I'm happy the self control stuff from last season was all but eliminated. But I agree the show's writing, after finally getting the older audiences back and replacing the pre-pre-preschool friendly Elmo's World with ETM. A segment that has a plot among other things. They brought in an older audience with the engineering and science concepts, for better or worse. And while I can applaud them for their smarter, stronger, kinder, faster, better initiative, it feels they're taking it in a very juvenile direction, and bringing the writing down with it.
     
  3. DePingPong

    DePingPong Active Member

    I don't dislike modern SST as whole, but there's a lot I dislike about it. Some episodes I really loved, like Elmo the Grouch from season 45.

    I really like season 46, although the pacing of the street seems feels too fast but that probably has something to do with the episodes being 30mins now.
    Also, I don't care for a song being in every episode, gets kinda old. Loving the new set though, especially Hooper's Store.
     
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Problem with the half hour format is that they could totally get the show to work in that format, had the segments alternated. So, like Smart Cookies one episode, Super Grover 2.0 the next, then Elmo the Musical. They wouldn't even have needed to bring back Elmo's Filler after at least 2 seasons of it finally being drug out behind the barn and shot. But SW painted itself into a corner with giving the last 15+ minutes of the show to Elmo. The older kids still watching threw a huge fit (supposedly) because it was no longer on the show when they tried removing it twice.

    Which is the big...what?! for me. The kids old enough to remember EW was part of the show the previous season are basically a year or two from outgrowing the show, whereas the new audience going in doesn't know or care that a segment exists. Tree falling in the woods and all that.
     
  5. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Not to mention foreign co-productions are able to handle half an hour of the show very well. So why not SSt itself?
     
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm totally okay with cutting down on celebrities - I know they've always had celebrities on the show from the beginning, but it was really getting to a point where they were utilizing the celebrities to really carry and bolster the show itself. Particularly when the celebrities were part of the storyline, which back in the day was really few and far between.
     
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  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's an example that's strange to explain. The only reason Sesame was an hour in the first place was because it was given the freedom to do so on the up and coming public television option. A network would never allow a kid's show to go on that long continuously. A block of episodes that equals an hour or more, fine. Where as internationally the show has to be carried on mainstream networks, depending on the television situation of the country it's being broadcast to. Those versions of Sesame Street, however, have a slightly altered format. If Plaza Sesamo is an example, it fits a half hour by using something similar to the shorter street stories with "commercials" and films interspersed, yet sometimes only one street story, some Mexico exclusive clips one Muppet dubbed skit, maybe two if they're short enough, maybe a song either dubbed or original, couple number and letter bits, again, dubbed or original or even both. And no Elmo's World!

    Because the most important difference is that other countries get Elmo's World as a separate show. Then of course there are the compilation shows they have now made around how the show is broken up into mini-shows, so some countries get a show that's all Abby's Flying School and the rest with maybe some other skits as filler.
     
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    When I think about it, it seems to me that people getting upset over scaling back of Muppet characters down to a "core six" is really not that big a deal, because when you think about it, prior to the ATC era, that's pretty much what SST's Muppet cast was like. Sure, there were always additional characters who served purposes in inserts and such, but when you really think about it, SST pretty much had a "core six" cast of Muppets for the longest time: Big Bird, Oscar, Ernie, Bert, Cookie, and Grover; as the 80s progressed, Telly and Elmo ended up being incorporated into the "core" cast.
     
  9. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I honestly think that people who grew up with Sesame Street in 1969 have a particularly special bond to the show that is hard for others to understand. It was truly magic.
     
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, when you look at the comments on really old school clips on YouTube, it's amusing to see read some people's reactions: "Why is there trash on the sidewalk?!" "Why is Mr. Hooper selling cigars?!" "When did Sesame Street have the balls to use real traffic sounds?"
     
  11. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Now that you mention that, I actually kind of liked when they used the traffic sound effects, it helped add realism to the street.
     
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    IKR? Seems like the mid-to-late 80s or so, they toned way back on that and you more or less heard birds chirping and kids playing . . . which is all well and good, but with this being an inner city street, you expect to hear, well, traffic. Seems like starting around Season 39 they tried to bring back some traffic sounds, but it was very, very subtle; occasionally, you'd also hear other sound effects like dogs barking, and even an elephant trumpeting (must have been Horatio hanging around somewhere).
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've been very mixed about the core cast, as I've stated many times before. On the one hand, let's face it. There were actually too many characters especially in the ATC era. Like Benny and Natasha's family stuck around for a while after. Baby Bear did too, but I still say that was because David needed a signature character. And let's not forget before then, the endless parade of recurring celebrity parody Muppets from the 80's. I love my Alphabeats (yeah, I kniw they debuted in the 70's), Placido Flamingo, and the rest of them. They seemed to be the street puppets that filled in for the other Muppets that were only in studio skits. Like Grover, Ernie and Bert, and the like. None of those guys really stuck around much either, though to be fair Richard kinda died and most of those characters went with him.

    I mean, sure...the Elmo thing has been happening since the 90's, but there was a revolving assortment of characters since then. Some to try and add female characters to the show that never lasted. And as I've been saying for a while, the last few seasons passed off regular characters for teaching certain concepts (engineering and self regulation) with loud, obnoxious, sometimes unfunny fairy tale characters.

    But on the other side, having a revolving number of Muppets wouldn't hurt either. I don't like how Ernie and Bert fall outside the core six since, well, they predated Big Bird. I get that they'd have a smaller Muppet cast for merchandising and budget reasons, but I really think we need Telly and Baby Bear around as well as the Elmo, Grover, Cookie,Big Bird, Oscar and Abby crowd. Though, on the plus side, Grover, Cookie, Oscar, and Big Bird have bigger roles. Some more than recent years. I can't say "BOOOO" nor can I really say "YAY!" It's...half and half with me.

    The thing I've been having trouble for recent years is how Sesame Street is basically Gentrified and has been for the past at least 10 years (so there's a nice little in universe conspiracy as to where Gordon et al went that's kinda depressing to think about). I've complained of using Yoga unironically. As in before Leela was added in to at least give a nice "it came from Indian culture" spin, it was something that only yuppie parents forced their kids into. The street is hardly the lower end of town with litter and dusty looking buildings it was in the 70's, but it's been significantly cleaner as early as the late 70's. But then again, it's very much a realistic street in a neighborhood that got cleaned up and up scale. It's kinda on that sad part that you know one 5 dollar cupcake bar going under signifies the end of the street's Yuppie cred, just before it falls into disrepair yet still has the insane rent costs and all the stores leave. I've seen that happen to too many good neighborhoods.
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    If SST really wanted to "have balls," they should have played ambience like this back in the 70s, considering at that time, SST was inspired by ghettos and hoods:
     
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I know this thread's been bumped recently, but I somehow don't even remember being the one who started it, unless somebody else did and their OP was deleted.
     
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's what happens when you're on one of these long enough.

    As for the subject at hand, I see it this way. No matter what show you've grown up with that's still on the air, if you stop watching it for a while and then all the sudden catch an episode, they're going to be smacked with the differences that were subtle for those who were still paying attention.

    To me, Sesame Street achieved perfection on the late 70's right up until 1990. And even then, those were a series of misfortunes beyond their control. And as I've said multiple times, that's when there wasn't so much competition for preschool/educational television. Heck, my PBS ran boring, terrible Canadian filler shows when the big gun shows weren't on. It took freaking Magic School Bus to be the first animated series on PBS, and that was the mid 90's. Let me put it that way.

    The thing that we all seem to forget is that Sesame Street doesn't exist in a vacuum. And I bring it up a lot, but it still seems to be lost on some. Even if it did, a show cannot sustain itself that long without things changing gradually. I've seen shows that basically change drastically in the second season so bad, that the show disappears as a result. I really think they nailed the format in between those decades, shedding off some of the aspects that didn't work. Especially the lecture type bits that were basically there because there really wasn't much point of reference of what a kid's show can do, so they just said "let's throw in this one thing from previous kid's shows." More Muppets, more animation, more funny skits and more detailed animated segments.
     


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