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why were there three gordons?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by minor muppetz, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    does anybody know why Matt Robinson and Hal Miller both stopped playing gordon? did they get fired (althoguh i don't think this is the case with matt robinson, since he continued to voice rosevelt franklin) or did they quit? did they not like acting (I know that matt robinson has produced a lot of things)? could they have not gotte along with the cast and crew? were they terrible actors?
  2. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Three Gorgs, three Gordens. It's symbolism.

    In otehr words...I have no idea...
  3. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

    well obviously they wanted to do other things. same reason why Olivia left in 1988 after 12 years. Robinson was a producer and not a professional actor and I don't know about Miller. and could you ask what happened to the other 2 not get overly dramatic with your questions? were they terrible actors? please!
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    sorry. I haven't really seen much of them, so i am not too sure of how their acting was. i meant did somebody working on the show think they were terrible. All I have to witness their acting are a few clips from the first episode, the song I've Got Two, and a brief clip of hal millers gordon featured in the A&E biography.
  5. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Hmmm. I've noticed Matt seemed to be pretty popular as Gordon considering the Sesame merchandise I've seen around that time. I don't think his acting ability would have had anything to do it. Then again, I wasn't born around that time, so how would I know. I do see his name in the credits as a producer for "The Cosby Show." So that's probably what happened. I guess he went on to be a producer/director. Hal Miller, I know nothing about, so maybe they did think that he was a bad actor and they got rid of him quickly. But I could be wrong. I just don't know why it's so hard to find info about him.
  6. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

    is there any reason why we must consider Miller was a bad actor? let's just assume he quit.
  7. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    Gordon # 4

    Actually, the only reason Matt Robinson got to be Gordon first was because Robert Guillame wasn't working out. If you ever see the Sesame Street Biography special that aired in 2001, they were making five test shows in July 1969, and Guillame was cast as Gordon. Then they showed the completed shows to survey groups- to see what clips worked and what didn't, and they came to the consensus to change Gordon. Guillame's a great actor- they all are- but the producers weree looking for someone just a little better. Matt Robinson was a staff writer and producer, and probably would've stayed behind the scenes, but he was asked to try the Gordon part. And his charisma really took off. He seemed to be a natural in front of the camera. After his stint as Gordon he went back to screenwriting and producing- yes, he did do a lot for the Cosby Show. Hal Miller did a good job too, but then when Roscoe Orman came in, he seemed to have that special
    SOMETHING that made Gordon work. So none of them were duds, but Matt had the real personality, and Roscoe helped keep that going for the last 32 years.

    Don't feel bad for Guillame. He got his day in the sun on SOAP and Benson, and the voice of Rafiki in The Lion King.
    Hal Miller- I hope he just ended up happy, if not famous.
  8. SesameMike

    SesameMike Well-Known Member

    I think the question should be, why did Gordon even need a stand-in. Afterall, several other adults have come and gone over the years, and most of the time they just disappeared without a word (David was written out, and of course for Mr. Hooper we were presented with the somber truth.)

    So, why did Gordon stay on after Matt Robinson left the cast? My feeling has always been that they intended Gordon to be a central character -- a "host" of the show if you will. It seemed to me that's what it was like in the early days. In fact, the Mad Magazine parody "Reality Street" from the early '70s had the Gordon character (Gorgon?) introducing and closing the show; I know it was just satire, but Mad was usually pretty good about capturing a show's premise.

    I also got the feeling that, by the time Roscoe Orman came in, Gordon was no longer a "lead" character among the adult cast; the billing was pretty much egalitarian, and anyone could open or close the show. Was this a good idea? Perhaps, but I'm reminded of a line from "The Incredibles", where Helen tells her son that "Everyone's special", and Dash replies "That's just another way of saying no one is."
  9. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

    I have a couple of ideas why the Gordon character wasn't eliminated. they probably didn't feel comfortable killing off his character like they did with Mr. Hooper especially since the since the show was reletively new. also I read at that Hooperfan page since Susan and Gordon are black and according to the site the seris was trying to create a positive black male role model because apparently many black households didn't have that. Now I'm not saying such a thing is limited to the group of people but I guess over the years it had been all to common for many in the black community so they probably felt instead of writing off the Gordon character after Robinson left, they hire someone else.
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    speaking of matt robinson producing the cosby Show, i have read that he appeared on-screen in the episode "Cliffs Nightmare", which featured the muppets. He was in the scene where the youngest daugther talked about penicilian and cureing runny noses by blowing it. I am not sure if he had any lines or if he was just an extra. I wonder if anybody involved with the muppets talked him into appearing on-screen, or if he had anything to do with the muppets being on the show.

    it is a little bad that matt Robinson couldn't have both written, produced and acted on Sesame Street. there are a lot of actors (mel brooks, danny devito, bill cosby, weird al yankovic, etc) who also write, produce and/ or direct their own works.

    i knew that robert guiliume auditioned to play gordon, but i didn't realize that he was in the test pilots. with the way it was mentioned in sesame street unpaved, I thought that he auditioned when roscoe orman auditioned.
  11. jeffkjoe

    jeffkjoe Well-Known Member

    Mike, could you please stop trying to police this forum? If a person wants to make his or her own assumptions, even if you don't agree with them, then let them!!!

    You come across as very aggressive. You always tell people: "Why don't you move this topic to another forum" or "Your questions are overly dramatic"

    Unless you're a moderator, just let people ask questions the way they want to.

    It's a forum.
  12. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Couldn't have said it better myself, Jeff. Mike ruins every discussion by turning it into an argument.
  13. jeffkjoe

    jeffkjoe Well-Known Member

    I know!

    Mike just needs to stop bossing people around like he owns this forum.
  14. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Just a few comments here. First of all, I didn't mean to trash Hal or anything like that. I was just thinking of the possibilities why not much is known about him. Secondly, I sort of agree with the comment about Gordon being the "host." In a way I guess he still is considering he does the voice overs for the copyright info and he introduced the hurricane episodes. It makes you wonder what would happen if there were ever a point when Roscoe is no longer able to play Gordon. Would they replace him again or would they just kill him off? Just a thought. Hopefully that won't happen for a long time.
  15. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

    well i think it's disrespectfull to suggest they were terrible actors so i'm going to comment on such stuff if I feel it's wrong. it kind of sounds like 1 is trying to show off or something when 1 gets overly dramatic and if MM would of sounded more civil about his questions, perhaps I would of given a more polite answers like fuzzygobo did.
  16. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Here's a suggestion. Why don't you learn how to use proper capitalization and correct sentence structure before you criticize anyone else's posts? For someone who can barely put a logical sentence together, you sure are quick to criticize others for what you PERCEIVE to be offensive or annoying posts. Clean your own backyard first and then look at others.
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wasn't trying to be overly dramatic. It is just that whenever I wonder soemthing, or ask a question, I tend to speculate while I am asking the questions. It is weird, though. I never thought that anybody would think I was dramatic, much less overly dramatic.
  18. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Well-Known Member

    Ok..I know I am not a moderator but can we get back on topic? I'm not trying to be offensive or anything..and I won't give my personal opinion on this matter.

    Ok, anyways.. I don't think he was a bad actor.. and I am not aware of any problems he had with the cast but I could be wrong. I'll try looking this up for you if nobody else can find a definate answer.

    Thank you, Drake.
  19. jeffkjoe

    jeffkjoe Well-Known Member

    Believe me, no one thought you were being overly dramatic.
  20. BEAR

    BEAR Well-Known Member

    To be completely honest, I think everyone in here should relax, take a deep breathe and just move on. The majority of this thread has contained posts about who is right and wrong and criticizing the way people post things instead of what the title suggests...GORDON. GeeBee and others, while I am not agreeing or disagreeing with what you are saying, you are not helping the situation at all by it either. Also, whether you are grammatically educated or not has nothing to do with whether your opinions make sense or have value to them. You are all jerks right now and I am ashamed to have witnessed something like this in a Sesame Street thread.

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