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Will the Count live on?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by bingboingcutie, Aug 25, 2012.

  1. zns

    zns Well-Known Member

    Maybe someone at Sesame Workshop would be able to answer this question. The Count has always been a vital part of Sesame Street that I am sure they will find a way to bring him back. They managed to do it with Ernie after Jim died.
  2. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    Should we ask Sesame Workshop then?
  3. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    We don't really need to ask sesame workshop anything we'll find out what happens when it does. Besides I doubt they'd tell anyone anything.
  4. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    Oh. Alright then. We won't. :oops:
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well see, the thing about Rowlf wasn't so much that he had an absence because of Jim's death, and trying to find a replacement performer for him, Rowlf had actually been retired out of respect for Jim, and you know, there are a lot of different aspects about Rowlf: yes, he was a key player of the Classic Muppets, but he wasn't exactly that major/pivotal a part of the group, though did have quite a history, as he was the first major Muppet character who was featured on national television back on The Jimmy Dean Show, and all those Purina dog food commercials.

    Count on the other hand, he IS vital to the SST cast of Muppets, and Jerry isn't Jim... I don't mean that disrespectfully, Jerry was and is one of the greatest performers the world of puppetry ever produced, but what I'm saying is, Jim Henson was THE visionary behind the Muppets, and he was also the first one we lost (not counting the non-performers such as Don Sahlin), so it was probably a lot tougher to recast his characters than it is recasting anyone else's characters afterwards, whether they're Richard's old characters, Frank's old character, and even Jerry's old characters.

    Plus, keep in mind too, these people know they're not invincible, they know that eventually, they have to meet their fate someday as well, so they've been having the foresight to choose who they want to carry on their characters for future generations: Jim chose Steve to take on Kermit if anything ever happened to him, Matt has been Caroll's understudy for Big Bird for a decade now (don't know about Oscar, but I understand Johnny T. has once performed him for something), Frank has been pleased with what Eric has done with his characters, and we know that Jerry has chosen Matt to take on Count after him (and we know he's done a good job thus far with Floyd and Uncle Deadly).

    I'm sure Matt may be feeling a little more pressure under these circumstances as opposed to his performances in the new movie, which is why we need to show him support right now, and as I've said many times before, Matt is a great, versatile performer, I was impressed and blown away with how well he did with Jerry's characters in the movie, and I have no doubts that he will do just as good a job with Count; no, it won't be the same (remember folks, we were taught this lesson when Mr. Hooper died), and no, Matt Vogel is not Jerry Nelson, but that doesn't mean he's better or worse, just different, he's just going to need to take the time to take the job and make it Matt Vogel's. Yes, we'll miss Jerry, we knew his time was coming eventually, and we'll always love what he has given us these past generations, but now we'll embrace Matt as he continues to keep the legacy alive that Jerry has now left behind, and I am behind him 100%. All things considered, he has certainly become one of my favorites of the newer performers, and I look forward to him keeping Count alive for all of us.
  6. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Actually that is not entirely correct. Steve has stated that it was never decided he take over Kermit if anything happened to Jim. He said at the time there were talks of letting him be a stand in for Kermit should Jim be too busy to perform him instead. But he never actually heard it from Jim personally. It wasn't officially decided he do Kermit until after Jim past away.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm sure Jerry knew that he'd have to stop performing one day, that's why he handpicked Matt to perform the puppetry for him in recent years. I wouldn't doubt he groomed him as an understudy in the case he wouldn't be their to do the voice either. And, because he died after the production season was over, it's going to be another year before we see what happens exactly.

    I think Matt's done a great job with the Muppets characters, but other than that one burst of laughter after The Count's dialogue in an episode I can't remember, we haven't heard any of his Sesame Street character recasts.
  8. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member


    More like...he's kept in touch with the Major muppet works, unlike Frank Oz who occassionally comes in to help out. Jerry Nelson been through the Muppet family to the very end.
  9. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    I wish Matt Vogel the best of Luck with Jerry Nelson's characters, as I'm sure he'll do fine with a lot of pratice.

    But I wonder if anyone on Sesame Workshop had an idea when it came to a scene with both Count and Big Bird, given that Matt does both characters ?
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  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Their Muppet careers are pretty identical: both retired from the Classic Muppets, though both also continued to contribute to SST, only Frank would devote one day out of the year to perform his characters, while Jerry dubbed the voice of his characters.
  11. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Only time will tell!
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I have seen a quote from Jane Henson from 1990 where she said that Jim told her who he wanted to have perform Kermit if he was no longer able to. That particular quote doesn't specifically mention Steve (I think the quote was from an article regarding "The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson", and Jane mentioned that the company didn't want the identity of Kermit's then-new performer revealed until after the special aired).


    Well, for now at least, Caroll Spinney is still Big Bird's main performer, so there can be interactions for now (assuming they do continue with The Count). Though lately I've wondered if they should have a second understudy for Big Bird because of Matt taking over practically all of Jerry's characters. But with the exception of Snuffy (who's been recast for decades when Jerry was in good health) I don't think Jerry performed anybody who needs to regularly interract with Big Bird.
  13. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    The only thing Jim told Steve right before he passed away was that despite he was a main Muppet performer he didn't really have any other major characters besides Bean Bunny and Rizzo so then Jim said he was gonna try and come up with another main character for Steve to perform but then Jim past away. Which Steve has joked in saying "When Jim said he was gonna come up with a main character for me to do I had no idea it was gonna be to this extent", when referring on having to take over Kermit. I am only saying from Steve's perspective on what he had heard concerning Kermit.

    However I do remember seeing that quote from Jane infact Steve mentioned it in an interview that was done a few years ago. However Steve has stated he's still not sure if it was him Jim was talking about who should perform Kermit.
  14. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    I've thought about that too, but I have noticed the two of them don't really interact all that much in general, but it is possible. I know they've interacted in the segment with Snuffy on the trampoline and even recently in the "Wing on a Sling" episode. I guess that's a bridge they'll cross when they come to it.
  15. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    The same way it's always been done.
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The question then becomes, who's going to do the puppetry for The Count in the offset chance Matt's performing Big Bird at the same time, if the dialogue is looped in?
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm sure whoever else happens to be on the set that day will perform the puppetry for Count... there's fan-shot footage of a taping (seems to be around 2005 or so) with Kevin performing Count, and I'm willing to bet Joey's had his hands in Count before as well.
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    My question is has there ever been any kind of reasoning behind retiring Herry, or did the writers just get tired of writing for him, or couldn't think of how to utilize him anymore? Herry seemed to be a prominent fixture of the monster ensemble up until about Season 30 or so... there's a few great moments that included him from Season 30 such as Monster Daycare, and a few musical numbers with him, then afterwards, he was pretty much almost completely phased out.
  19. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I say we just let Sesame handle it all since I'm sure they know what their doing. :insatiable:
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One difference between Jim/Richard and Jerry is that when Jim and Richard died, there hadn't been much planning in the event that they die. They both died at young ages, and Jim's death was very sudden. Jim may have intended on having Steve or somebody else take on Kermit if anything (death or otherwise) happened to prevent him from performing, and I've read that Richard trained John Henson in the role of Sweetums (in fact I've read that there's a quote from 1987 of Jim talking about John having previously performed Sweetums, so he had already taken over the role sometime before then). In the Muppet Central interview Steve even mentioned that at the time of their deaths they hadn't been prepared in regards to taking over characters.

    But Matt has been performing most of Jerry's characters, whether voicing them or otherwise. There's been more time for Matt to get used to performing them.

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