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Worst move the Muppets made this year?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by pezbalubah, Dec 24, 2002.

  1. pezbalubah

    pezbalubah Well-Known Member

    Well it's probably been one of the best years for the Muppets post-Jim. Maybe you think everything they did this year was great, but maybe you thought they could have passed on a few things. What do you think was the worst thing they did this year?

    I would say 2 things they could have passed on are:

    1. Pepe advertising for Long John Silver... Pepe sold out...sold out his own kind... he became a would-be Taco Bell dog.... Kermit must have been ashamed.

    2. Muppets on racecars- they might as well start putting Muppet t-shirts on roosters in cock fights.
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    1. Ya kidding? The LJS commercials from Nov 2001 til early this year was one of the best things...gotta love that King Prawn, and those commercials rocked. Sure LJS are idiots, but for the spectacle I think we all dug the little guy's ad spots.

    2) Err, I think Ive said enough about Nascar...but hey, if it gets em more exposure.

    There is no worst thing JHC has done, even KSY to some.
    JHC is doing amarvelous job trying to stay afloat...the only worst thing I can think of was selling to EMTV in early 2000.
  3. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Worst move the Muppets made this year?

  4. Thijs

    Thijs Well-Known Member

    Well I have nothing against the two things you mention. What`s wrong with muppets on race-cars. I can only be happy that they made a new muppet-movie.
  5. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I think probably Swamp Years was a terrible idea. It was badly scripted, poorly acted and the only good thing was the quality of the technical side. It put out all the wrong messages - either they want the Muppets to be kiddy orientated, edgy and nostaligic, or family orientated but trying to be all three, all at seperate times rather than all at the same time together makes their public perception look very muddled.
  6. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    not having the electric mayhem more in the new tv movie made them feel wasted again in my opinion......i wish they did a song after the moulan scrooge skit, or somewhere else in the movie....

  7. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I think things like LJS, Nascar, Family Feud and Hollywood Squares may feel like selling out, but it increased their exposure...I had so many people (who knew I was a Muppet fan) come and tell me about Muppet appearances THEY had seen and enjoyed that I didn't even know about...so they're becoming more and more prominent.

    Now to capitalize on that...

  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Not promoting their products in their talk show appearances.

    There are busts, figures, new DVD releases and a CD, but none of it was mentioned on the Craig Kilborn show. Instead Kermit had a message that "porn is fine." I don't object to him saying that as much as not hooking people into the Muppet universe. Rosie O'Donnell's program was notorious for audience give-aways to help promote the current products. It's a practice that works. Just ask the Tickle Me Elmo (if you can get him to shut up and stop laughing all the way to the bank).
  9. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Ooooh! Good one!

    I wrote reviews of Series One of the action figures for Epinions.com, and the number one comment I got from readers was "Cool! I didn't know these even existed!" And then many of them scrambled to try and find them.

    With all of the new merchandise (I think the DVD collections and action figures should have been pushed...) out there, it's a shame that the casual Muppet fans out there aren't getting pulled in--they're missing out!

  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Let's not kid ourselves...for some reason JHC doesnt want the public at large to know about merchandise. Sounds weird? Where is the non specialty magazine buzz or even mention of the dvds, figures, busts, hot topic stuff, etc? It's a joke. The only place one can find any info about the merch is on the TP front page, and the MC forums usually(I am talking about ALL merch in that sentence)

    It's kind of like NBC execs surprised they didnt pull in more ratings...they should have actually promoted the movie one..and two promoted it toward the older audience. idiots. Same thing with Disney. They wonder why Spirited Away tanked...because they purposely made sure noone knew about it.

    And for all that gruff people give Rosie...name one other show besides the Today Show and hollywood Squares that regularly featured Muppets? Ok, yes Hollywood Squares did an unpresedented job of representing ALL 3 franchises(Muppet Show, Sesame, and Bear) but I think Rosie's show did an excellent job with the Muppets. A shame shes gotten so much flak. I think the biggest proponents and champions of the Muppets in the media have been: Al Roker, Rosie, and David Arquette.
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Muppet Central is currently promoting the busts, figures, Macy's tie-in, Christmas special, Muppet Show and Emmet Otter DVDs on our main page. And this is all positioned above the scroll. We have also had several promotional give-aways. All items are listed in the collectibles section as well as the forum. That significant information was left out of your post for some reason. .:confused:

    Unfortunately it's just the fan sites that promote Henson product these days. Henson.com is the last to post information and leaves much of it out. You also have to search for it through their news and then press releases section. I wish we'd see more of an active effort. I just don't see why Kermit's many appearances couldn't have included more tie-ins.
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    LOL - what size monitor do you have Mr Graphic Designer ? I just have Valentine, Emmet Otter & Xmas Movie above the scroll ? :D

    I know what you mean though, MC does a good job although it could do with really getting its teeth into things rather than just brushing over them with a page and a text link. The problem with the MC main page is and always will be people bookmarking the forum index directly. I noticed the introduction of your graphics has continually doubled the hit rate on the main page daily though so kudos to you for that.

    The thing here is that Henson aren't supposed to have the Muppets go out and promote the licenses at their whim - unless a certain number of promotional appearances are negotiated within the contract they are supposed to be paid seperately to go out there and plug products. Obviously they go on the talk show circuit to plug the shows because that is a Henson produced product. Unfortunately the licenses have been going to smaller companies like Palisades and Sideshow who can't afford to gire the Muppets for promotion. When they have wealthy licensee's it works ...... Mastercard held a promotional charity event and McDonalds in the UK had Kermit do a series of adverts to promote the ''Happy Meals'. I agree that it'd be good for the Muppets to get out there promoting the actual products but i think pretty much it's out of Henson's hands.
  13. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Making the christmas film with Angels and a Disrespectful, lady God!!!

    *Takes a deep breath*

    Other than that, making Swamp Years!!!
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Nope, no mistaking it...there is a huge chunk of merchandise that MC leaves out. That's where TP really shines. I have yet to see nary a mention of all the non company promoted merchandise on the MC index page(ie: non sponsored stuff that isnt the figures or busts) A good bulk of new Muppet merch has been at Hot Topic, yet there is never any mention of this stuff(tshirts, posters, plushes, etc) ...that's what I meant by 'only on the MC forum' and TP index can ya fidn out about ALL the Muppet merch.
  15. mupvisiongirl

    mupvisiongirl Well-Known Member

    I second "swamp years" as the worst move this year, I had such high hopes for it and was beyond disappointed when I saw it.
    I also agree that the Muppets need to be promoted better. There was all this really, really cool new merchandise this year that a lot of people didn't even know about.
  16. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Actually Cory is right - where the heck is the Muppet Underwear on 'Muppet Central' ? That was a hard fought for license gained by a very talented lady with her own company built from the ground up - it may be thongs and panties but you can still proudly leave the house with Gonzo on your tushy. There must be some thought and creativity that goes into the design - i say Mr Phillip Chapman - enough of this brief coverage, stop hiding behind those action figures and wear your kermit pants with pride - this lady must have an article or interview !
  17. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    In defense of Kermit Swamp Years...ok not the whole film itself...but two things make the dvd a worthwhile purchase

    1) The behind the scenes thing with Joe the Armadillo(perhaps my fave JHC thing of the year next to the Mastercard commercials)
    and that Pet Store music video which really rocks!

    "Warm fuzzy hugs is what you gonna get!"
    Gah, that is *so* me ^_^
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I could do with some more merchandise too, but we do have the major releases neatly displayed on the main page - without having to wade and scroll through content.

    We obviously aren't going to catch everything that gets released, but we can certainly stand to add to it. That's something we should look into. However, we do explore many of the products on the forum - it's just as much a part of the site as News or Radio. That's why whe have given it a uniform look with the menu. But saying that one, "can't find any info about the merchandise" on Muppet Central's non-forum sections is inaccurate.

    Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the panty lady too. ;)
  19. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Yup, we really need to get to the bottom of that situation. ;)
  20. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Heh heh, you said bottom.

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